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Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 8, 2023 at 1:59 p.m.
Thread: Using the Neal-Lucic trade model
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>rookescr96</b></div><div>Your slightly over valuing a cap dump trade here. Yes I believe it would take a first round pick potentially plus to dump Campbell. But when the Kings dumped Peterson, they gave up a second round pick and Helg Grans who was a second round pick plus Sean Walker who was a healthy scratch in the playoffs.

The leafs only had to move back about 13 spots in the draft in order to dump Mrazek's $3.8 million.

Yes cap dumps cost you, but two first round picks isn't a reasonable price based on actual cap dumps in the past.</div></div>


You conveniently leave out several key points in your response:

Peterson only had two years remaining, not four.

L.A. also retained over $2m per season for two years on Provorov.

When the Hawks made the deal with the Leafs for Mrazek, Chicago needed a goalie… that’s not the case now. Difference circumferences lead to a different price.

Also factor in that there are roughly five teams that can absorb the Campbell cap hit and as others have mentioned, some of those teams really don’t have a fit for Campbell moving forward.
Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 8, 2023 at 12:06 p.m.
Thread: Using the Neal-Lucic trade model
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>rookescr96</b></div><div>Your slightly over valuing a cap dump trade here. Yes I believe it would take a first round pick potentially plus to dump Campbell. But when the Kings dumped Peterson, they gave up a second round pick and Helg Grans who was a second round pick plus Sean Walker who was a healthy scratch in the playoffs.

The leafs only had to move back about 13 spots in the draft in order to dump Mrazek's $3.8 million.

Yes cap dumps cost you, but two first round picks isn't a reasonable price based on actual cap dumps in the past.</div></div>

You aren't going to find a comparable trade where a team dumped a $5m cap hit for 4 years. There hasn't been one. Based on recent Hawks deals in which they took cap dumps from other teams, two firsts seems about right. Zaitsev from Ottawa - one year at $4.5m took a 2nd and a 4th. Josh Bailey from Isles - one year at $5m took a 2nd. It's not just the cap hit number that plays into it. It's also the term. 4 years is a long time! How about the Patty Marleau dump? Leafs gave up a 1st to move one year at $6m. Based on that, two 1st's to move 4 years at $5m is a bargain! The reality is every GM in the league knows what Edmonton's situation is. No one is doing Holland any favors. Oilers are going to pay a premium to move Campbell. How much depends on which team. There may be a team out there who is willing to take one 1st or a 2nd and a prospect but I can pretty much guarantee it won't be the Hawks.
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 27, 2023 at 11:15 a.m.
Thread: The Oil need more Scoring Depth
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Fail4Nail</b></div><div>Que the delusional Blackhawk fans saying Raddysh is worth multiple first round picks + McDavid or Drai...</div></div>

Personally I have not seen any Hawks fans claim Raddysh is worth multiple 1st. Most feel with a repeat or improvement on last seasons numbers (20+ goals) he could return A 1st round pick (singular) at the TDL, especially when you consider he is on a below NHL minimum deal AND he is an RFA, meaning he is not a rental. Theoretically a team could trade for Raddysh, send down another player making $1m and create cap space.

What is delusional are people who think you can trade a $5m per season dogs**t goalie with four seasons left on his contract in a climate where only a handful of teams have cap space AND despite all of that you won’t have to pay an expensive premium to make the deal happen.