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Thoughts On This Highly Unlikely Trade That I Would Love

Created by: DougieGilmour
Team: 2023-24 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 4, 2023
Published: Nov. 4, 2023
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Trades
1.
NSH
  1. Niemelä, Topi
  2. Nylander, William
  3. Samsonov, Ilya
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Preda get a major upgrade to help them with scoring and a RHD prospect. Samsonov can be the temporary place holder until Askarov is ready.
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CHI
  1. 2024 1st round pick (TOR)
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A much more realistic trade
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Nov. 4, 2023 at 6:04 a.m.
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Of course, that only works as a potential deal, regardless of the merits of the proposal, if Nylander is extended.
Nov. 4, 2023 at 6:22 a.m.
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Quoting: TheFastAndTheFleuryous
Of course, that only works as a potential deal, regardless of the merits of the proposal, if Nylander is extended.


And they’ll have the room and more importantly they have a good track record of getting players to sign there.
Nov. 4, 2023 at 6:31 a.m.
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This is so bad for TO. Yeah Saros is great but Woll is looking great as well and costs nothing to acquire and now a team that only gets offence from their top 4 forwards will have 1 less.
Nov. 4, 2023 at 7:34 a.m.
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Raddysh just isn't worth a 1st rounder IMO, I'd give up a 2nd at best personally.
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Nov. 4, 2023 at 7:48 a.m.
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Tank it baby
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I just don't see how the Leafs improve with any Nylander trade. He's not being traded in my opinion.
Nov. 4, 2023 at 7:49 a.m.
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Quoting: RipNasty
This is so bad for TO. Yeah Saros is great but Woll is looking great as well and costs nothing to acquire and now a team that only gets offence from their top 4 forwards will have 1 less.


Do you want to pay Nylander Marner money? Because I say no to that. And a lot of goalies have looked great in a hand full of starts. I don’t trust a goalie until I see them put it together for more than a full season.
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Nov. 4, 2023 at 7:49 a.m.
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Quoting: SharkTank
I just don't see how the Leafs improve with any Nylander trade. He's not being traded in my opinion.


I’m also not certain he will be resigned either. If he has a 100 point season or even close to it he will get Marner money.
Nov. 4, 2023 at 7:50 a.m.
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Raddysh just isn't worth a 1st rounder IMO, I'd give up a 2nd at best personally.


At that cap hit he is. And we could sign him for under 3 million and I see a 30 goal scorer in this lineup.
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Nov. 4, 2023 at 7:51 a.m.
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Quoting: DougieGilmour
I’m also not certain he will be resigned either. If he has a 100 point season or even close to it he will get Marner money.


40 goals 90 points likely. I don't believe Nylander wants to leave Toronto. Again. Just my opinion.
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Nov. 4, 2023 at 8:06 a.m.
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We don’t need a goalie it’s not worth it makes the team much worse and only one of woll or saros can play
Nov. 4, 2023 at 8:32 a.m.
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I like that trade... But Gio also needs a replacement so would make a move on Zadorov @50% for a 3rd and 2 5th
Nov. 4, 2023 at 8:35 a.m.
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At that cap hit he is. And we could sign him for under 3 million and I see a 30 goal scorer in this lineup.



Raddysh scored 40% of his points on the PP last year.
Of the 148 forwards to play 1000 5 on 5 minutes he was 146th in points per 60
He is a classic case of a replacement level player getting a lot of minutes on a bad team.
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Nov. 4, 2023 at 8:37 a.m.
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Not sure Nashville would do that trade. If they trade Saros, it's because they are rebuilding. Acquiring a 27-year-old winger who will be paid 10 mil+ is the opposite of rebuilding. A realistic Saros trade would be more likely Liljegren, Cowan, Minten, and a 1st. Liljegren as the roster player, Cowan/Minten as higher end b-level prospects, and a 1st cause a 1st.
Nov. 4, 2023 at 8:44 a.m.
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Quoting: Newgod77
Raddysh scored 40% of his points on the PP last year.
Of the 148 forwards to play 1000 5 on 5 minutes he was 146th in points per 60
He is a classic case of a replacement level player getting a lot of minutes on a bad team.


But isn't that a Leafs issue...management. Lafferty / Engvall. Getting someone to play the PK so Marner doesn't have to, might be a good thing?
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Nov. 4, 2023 at 9:01 a.m.
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We Need D!!
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Quoting: SharkTank
I just don't see how the Leafs improve with any Nylander trade. He's not being traded in my opinion.


Leafs need to trade either him or Marner to get a quality #2 D to play with Rielly. If they don’t improve the backend, we will never get past the 2nd rd of playoffs.
Nov. 4, 2023 at 9:23 a.m.
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Do you want to pay Nylander Marner money? Because I say no to that. And a lot of goalies have looked great in a hand full of starts. I don’t trust a goalie until I see them put it together for more than a full season.


Do you want to take almost half the teams offence off the team? Without Nylander, JT isn't scoring the points he is this season. Take that offence out and how many goals is this team going to score? 2 a game? 3 if Matthews gets a hattrick?

Are you even paying attention to what's happening with this team? Shanahan's ego is sinking this team. Our new GM is an idiot, and he's here because Shanahan didn't want to give Dubas full autonomy.
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Nov. 4, 2023 at 9:28 a.m.
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We Need D!!
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Quoting: RipNasty
Do you want to take almost half the teams offence off the team? Without Nylander, JT isn't scoring the points he is this season. Take that offence out and how many goals is this team going to score? 2 a game? 3 if Matthews gets a hattrick?

Are you even paying attention to what's happening with this team? Shanahan's ego is sinking this team. Our new GM is an idiot, and he's here because Shanahan didn't want to give Dubas full autonomy.


Who cares about scoring goals if you can’t keep them out of your net??? I don’t like the Nsh trade either because we don’t need a goalie but I would definitely trade Marner or Nylander to get a top quality D or we will get bullied in playoffs again. I don’t get why people think we can keep these four guys with our D being so bad. Bos was missing 3 of their 6 D last game and still looked better than ours.
Nov. 4, 2023 at 9:37 a.m.
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Quoting: DougieGilmour
At that cap hit he is. And we could sign him for under 3 million and I see a 30 goal scorer in this lineup.


30 goal scorer and under 3mil aren't really things that go together but, I'm not convinced he'd do all that much better than Jarnkrok.
He'd be the third best guy on the Matthews Marner line and I'd also think he'd be the 3rd best guy on a Tavares Bertuzzi line and 2nd PP so I don't see his numbers really inflating that much
He'd probably get more assists from playing with better guys but, I don't know how many more goals since I think all 4 other guys are better shootewrs than him, at least right now.
His cap hit is very appealing though
Nov. 4, 2023 at 10:15 a.m.
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Hawks accept
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Nov. 4, 2023 at 10:22 a.m.
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Big no from NSH. Even if Nylander was extended
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Nov. 4, 2023 at 10:30 a.m.
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Do you want to pay Nylander Marner money? Because I say no to that. And a lot of goalies have looked great in a hand full of starts. I don’t trust a goalie until I see them put it together for more than a full season.


At this point I'd rather pay Nylander current Marner money for 8 yrs than pay marner what he'll get in his next contract.
Nov. 4, 2023 at 10:41 a.m.
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At this point I'd rather pay Nylander current Marner money for 8 yrs than pay marner what he'll get in his next contract.


BUT, you'll probably regret that. Nylander makes business decisions all the time. He knows he's playing for A contract somewhere. I've never seen him play better. Not even in the playoffs despite him actually being pretty good in the playoffs. Don't pay someone for 10 games worth of performance....especially when if it's the best 10 games they've ever played.
Nov. 4, 2023 at 10:50 a.m.
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Nylander doesn't get you Saros, Niemelä doesn't get you Fabbro, and you're not getting rid of Samsonov for free.
Nov. 4, 2023 at 11:21 a.m.
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The problem with the trade is trading Saros sets us wayyyy back, and Nylander doesn't cover the distance. Sure, we're getting a 40g player which is great, but this leaves Lankinen as our starter until Askarov is ready.

Big pass on this one.
Nov. 4, 2023 at 12:14 p.m.
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Quoting: Newgod77
Raddysh scored 40% of his points on the PP last year.
Of the 148 forwards to play 1000 5 on 5 minutes he was 146th in points per 60
He is a classic case of a replacement level player getting a lot of minutes on a bad team.


He's been playing in a two way role and on the PK. You know forwards are relied on to play defense as well. For this cap hit, he is a valuable asset and given his age has upside. Hawks probably aren't interested in trading him for those reason.
 
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