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Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 18 at 2:10 p.m.
Thread: Guentzel NSH Idea
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>nativewulf</b></div><div>NSH at the very least will not be big buyers this year at the TDL. More than likely we probably sell or make a couple of hockey trades of under-performing players looking for a change of scenery.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pensgm</b></div><div>I would do that nsh trade, would they Im not so sure. I do think him going there makes some sense</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>gmgb</b></div><div>Even if NSH were in a position where they should be going all in this year, that's an overpay.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Pensfan303</b></div><div>mayby after the 70th guentzel trade ACGM you make, you will realize we won't be moving Jake</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>herzausstein</b></div><div>If Nashville moves their #2C novak, it is becuase theyre packing it in for the year. Not to get an expensive wing upgrade. Their center depth is garbage with Novak and even worse without him. They are not a team that should even be considering making a move for an expensive winger. They need to be considering a young longterm center upgrade as clearly glass is a failure</div></div>

This doesn't make sense for NSH.
<a href="/users/gpmack95" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@gpmack95</a> bro why take a logical trade from another post and ruin it lol? like NSH can't afford to move Novak in this deal... if they're going for it, they aren't moving significant pieces from their current roster... plus this trade is skewed heavily to PIT... and if PIT is getting a 4th piece back besides Tomasino/1st/2nd then PIT probably is including another roster player to help NSH's playoff push...
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 18 at 1:56 p.m.
Thread: Tweaks for the Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>gpmack95</b></div><div>Penguins don’t need Pionk (Letang AND Karlsson) and Pettersson isn’t avaliable unless its a crazy good offer.

Guentzel is avaliable though</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CanMerc</b></div><div>Jets Decline
This isn’t what WPG needs</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Victor24</b></div><div>Trading two elite pieces for depth pieces is a bad idea.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pens1991</b></div><div>you're another 1st round pick and at least 2 good prospects off lmao.

Awful trade, Dubas laughs and hangs up.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>Neither player does anything for Winnipeg and rentals don't return that much.</div></div>

don't see this making sense for either team a lot... if WPG is trying to go for it, they would not subtract significant pieces off their current roster... and PIT is not thinking about moving Pettersson... guentzel is the easy one IF and ONLY IF the pens fall out of it big time... Pettersson may be moved in the offseason or at next year's TDL if the team is deciding to do a massive retool bordering on rebuilding... the only thing that could possibly happen to change the Pens minds and path forward from what I just said would be a pair of season-ending injuries to Sidney Crosby and Kris Letang... those 2 players are the only 2 irreplaceable players on the pens roster right now and subtracting them would alter the course for this year dramatically....
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 18 at 1:47 p.m.
Thread: Canada Trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BigShoots</b></div><div>The problem with this is cap. If you are bringing in a guy who makes 6 mil to a cap strapped team you are going to have to give some money back. The usual suspect have been Myers, Garland but they are literally playing too well to trade. That is why Kuzmenko does make sense to ship in a deal for a top6 guy. First he's not contributing much, been healthy scratched as we know and his place on the PP and top 6 would be taken by Guentzel anyway.</div></div>

then with that being said, I think PIT can retain half on Jake which would put him at 3M (if a third team came in then he's down to 1.5M... which we saw at last year's TDL...) either that or it's a 3 way trade in the sense that pit takes whatever piece VAN sends their way and flips that for whatever...
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 17 at 3:40 p.m.
Thread: Canada Trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>theleano1</b></div><div>Vancouver won't pay that much.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jbc149</b></div><div>Any team that gets Jake will pay at least that much.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BigShoots</b></div><div>If you devalue Kuzmenko to a negative asset maybe thats the value but he's a top 6 winger who scored more goals than guentzel last yr.

I don't think none play driving wingers have anywhere near that value though. I really like Guentzel but he finishes off passes from Crosby and Malkin.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Vancity2196</b></div><div>Remove Kuzmenko and Guentzel and it’s a fair deal for both sides.</div></div>

I don't see Vancouver subtracting a prolific piece like a Kuzmenko at the TDL... if PIT fell out of it and determined it was the best move to trade Guentzel, then it would be a mostly picks/prospects package... maybe a under-25 player also...
Forum: Fauteuil - DGJan. 12 at 2:19 p.m.
Thread: Moving Guentzel while still having a Playoff run
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>datools</b></div><div>I absolutely hate the thought of Guentzel leaving.

If he does though I think this could be a good for for both teams. In my dream scenario we still sign him to 9.5x8 in the off-season</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pensgm</b></div><div>Many people have been posting near the same Van trade.

to the point that its a swap both teams need im not so sure about. If he hits the market there will likely be a bidding war and this does not get it done</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pensfan21</b></div><div>I think this is a logical move for both teams. I would say we try and get Hoglander back too, that way we not only get a replacement, but also some depth and a good player for the future. I don't think Kuzmenko will be able to make up for Guentzel's production, but if we continue to play structured hockey and good team defense I think we will be tough to beat regardless whose in the lineup.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Vancity2196</b></div><div>Canucks decline.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>igbpv</b></div><div>That’s good cause tbh, Pens probably ask for Nils back too or else it’s not good for them</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Victor24</b></div><div>If they trade Guentzel, this is probably close to the deal.

Both sides can walk away without an L for their players and fans.</div></div>

The best thing long term for the penguins franchise would be to lose some tight games in the next month and fall out of the playoff picture and flip guentzel for a 1st plus a good prospect maybe more depends on how many teams get involved… this does not mean PIT could not resign Jake in the off-season but if we were to trade him I doubt we would… obviously I’d hate to see guentzel leave, he would be a great career penguin, if he stayed in PIT till retirement no one would complain but the sooner the pens start trying to be terrible again and start building for the future the better the next era of penguins hockey will turn out
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 12 at 1:59 p.m.
Thread: Smith to LTIR
I had a ACGM a bit ago where I looked at pretty much every player that could help us on bad teams with a low cap hit (apologies my phrases are out of order) but I think of someone like Taylor Raddysh from CHI or Pat Maroon from MIN if we want a checking line forward

(((From my old post my complete list:

Centres- Nick Dowd, Oscar Sundqvist, Michael Pezetta, Travis Boyd

Wingers- Nicolas Aube-Kubel, Sammy Blais, Eeli Tolvanen, Brandon Duhaime, Ryan Hartman, Pat Maroon, Emil Bemstrom, Alexandre Texier, Boris Katchouk, Taylor Raddysh, Adam Ruzicka, Aj Greer, Dillon Dube (only with over 50% retention), Michael Carcone, Liam O'Brien

Defensemen- Dakota Mermis, Zach Bogosian, Adam Boqvist, Nick Seeler, Travis Dermott, Sean Durzi, Troy Stetcher

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/4733914
)))

Obviously some of those teams may not sell… the pens have been linked to Michael Bunting of CAR who Dubas had in TOR but to fit his cap we’d have to move smith either LTIR him until the playoffs or trade him…
Also I saw a rumour regarding Ilya Lybushkin from ANA who dubas also had for a short time…
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 11 at 1:52 p.m.
Thread: TDL Selloff plus Zegras in the Offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Vancity2196</b></div><div>Canucks pass.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>Nieto is worth ~4th or 5th rounder</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SK101</b></div><div>No chance Nieto and Ned is worth a 2nd let alone a potential 1st rounder. Canucks easily decline. Can’t see that offer getting zegras. The best piece would be the pens pick cause it could be a high draft pick but with top 10 protection it’s not really worth much.</div></div>

Ned gets a 2nd easily as EDM, TOR, NJD, DET, CAR, COL, SEA at least would be interested... Ned will prob be the best G available at the TDL if things go south for PIT...

the VAN trade was just 2 struggling wingers swapping... I don't think it's unrealistic if both teams were wanting a change of scenery...but PIT should add something to that trade...

Zegras is interesting bc although he's scored some sick goals, he has not yet put up star numbers so I do believe any offer would start with 3 good assets so I view him kind of as Chychrun in that his team doesn't have to move him bc he's young still but he like Chychrun is not a #1/#2 forward or D but more of a #3 on a championship team quote on quote...
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 10 at 4:10 p.m.
Thread: Pens TDL
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Marcsnack</b></div><div>Dont think value is there for Chych.
Hard to see us moving Graves.
SJ trade could happen I guess.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Borocop</b></div><div>I cant see why Chychrun would be any less valuable than last year. He has had a good season all things considered. Could maybe argue he wouldn't return as high of a pick as the sens ended up trading for him, but would still take a 1st round pick a couple other parts imo</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GiggywithGibby</b></div><div>We've got no interest in Graves contract</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JSEB93</b></div><div>As someone else mentioned, probably not enough for Chychrun.
I don't see a reason for ANA to make that trade. Pens would have to pay them to unload Graves with his contract and performance.
3rd trade looks fine to me.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>brgh4life</b></div><div>Big no thanks on Lyubuskin or Zadina. Kessel isn't signed for a reason my guy.</div></div>

I tried to find something that wasn't completely ridiculous in this ACGM post to debate but I got nothing... complete gong show... lol none of this stuff makes sense... lol these trades probably wouldn't even go through in NHL24
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 10 at 3:59 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 10 at 3:57 p.m.
Thread: Los Angeles Kings
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hockeyfan1234</b></div><div>Pens decline. I think it’s gonna take more than a 1st and borderline bust territory prospect to get Jake</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Burnout</b></div><div>I think Pittsburgh gets an offer that better suits their needs than Turcotte and a 1st, Guentzel is basically the only forward playing at a top-line level who is realistically available at the deadline.

Montreal declines easily, they weren't even willing to entertain trading Dach for him before, they certainly aren't going to do so now given how poorly PLD's performed, even with Dach's injury.</div></div>

yeah especially if PIT retains 50% on Jake I would expect to see one of the bigger packages we've seen at the TDL for a rental in recent years... the list of elite goal scorers or defenseman equivalents that have been moved is very very short...