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Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 18 at 1:04 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 15 at 8:55 p.m.
Thread: Fun Package
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>Lucic's contract sucks but on the ice he is a positive value player, as in he is by no means a liability and does give the team chances to win. For example since coming to Calgary he's had a pretty solid GAR and WAR in both seasons, and currently sits above replacement level (baring it still being early in the season). He is also a locker room leader and a well liked guy overall by the team. Being on a bad contract does not always mean you are a detriment to the team. If he was a free agent this most recent summer he could have probably earned somewhere between 1.5-2.5M on the market.

Where are you getting your numbers here for Toews and Andersson? Andersson's PP1 time has mostly been this season and about 50% of last year, he has a 0.533ppg after 15 games right now. Last year him, Gio, and Hanifin all split time on the man advantage as Calgary spun their tires most of the season. Unlike Andersson, Toews has also never played for a team that was struggling, his first year in the league was when Trotz took over the Islanders and then was moved to Colorado (another juggernaut).
Here is an example of how Andersson has done so far this season:
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He can be a positive impact player on the ice and still be a negative trade value player because of his contract. I think that applies in this case

I was just looking at PP TOI for last year (I took it from hockey-reference but its the same data everywhere). Andersson had 2:44 PP TOI/GP while Toews had 1:43 PP TOI/GP. Thats 59% more PP time per game than Toews and he still produced significantly less.

Andersson's had a good start and seems to be producing more on the PP so far, but its still kind of early to draw conclusions after 15 games. Im not saying Andersson is bad or anything, I just think very highly of Toews (imo top 20 D in the league) and I think theres a pretty sizeable gap between him and Andersson

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Speaking of value, Devon Toews was acquired for two second round picks this summer and signed an extension for four years at an average annual value of $4.1 million. That seems to be working out. <a href="https://t.co/UBGcxtZzQp" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">pic.twitter.com/UBGcxtZzQp</a></p>— Evolving-Hockey (@EvolvingHockey) <a href="https://twitter.com/EvolvingHockey/status/1378357506611810304?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">April 3, 2021</a></blockquote>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Devon Toews is an elite two-way defenceman? Always has been. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GoAvsGo?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">#GoAvsGo</a> <a href="https://t.co/B9sHHfSKyn" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://t.co/B9sHHfSKyn</a> <a href="https://t.co/R6eTr6vvcd" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">pic.twitter.com/R6eTr6vvcd</a></p>— JFresh (@JFreshHockey) <a href="https://twitter.com/JFreshHockey/status/1396934711243640838?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">May 24, 2021</a></blockquote>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">That's funny how a lot of teams would like to acquire TOP4 defenseman, but it's not really easy in this NHL. And then here is Joe Sakic who have acquired Devon Toews for just two 2nd round picks from Lou Lamoriello, lmao. <a href="https://t.co/GSGAfgK0iD" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">pic.twitter.com/GSGAfgK0iD</a></p>— Andy &amp; Rono 📊 (@HockeyStatsCZ) <a href="https://twitter.com/HockeyStatsCZ/status/1378401032745664512?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">April 3, 2021</a></blockquote>

I dont pay for evolving hockey or Jfresh or anything so these arent completely up to date, just the most recent one I could find posted on twitter. Toews was pretty close to the top in GAR among D when that tweet was made and is in the 98th percentile in WAR

Hes only played 3 games this year (with 1.00 P/GP so far :) ) but I bet he will make his way back up that GAR list quite quickly again this year