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Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 3 at 12:21 p.m.
Thread: Bold off season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Tjm220</b></div><div>I see him as basically what Greenway was when he got here. He came here with two goals on the year when we traded for him, and he had very much worn out his welcome in Minnesota. And Buffalo desperately needs wingers who play a physical style because they don’t have any except for Greenway and Tuch. Despite all the supposed goalposts, he still has about as many goals as Greenway does this year. I can’t imagine he does worse in Buffalo with better linemates.</div></div>

Does he get better linemates there? Kunin's been playing on the second line, most often with Eklund and Zadina. Eklund is mostly a playmaker and he's lost out on a lot of points because of Kunin's inability to finish opportunities that are practically tap-ins.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 2 at 11:09 p.m.
Thread: Second Chance Sharks
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Swusc1026</b></div><div>I like where this is going. I would change up the lines.

I would keep Peterson down. You are way under paying Kunin.

I don’t like bordeleau playing center. I think I resign carpenter vs Bailey to have a 3c.

I take it you send G Smith to the AHL or he got claimed off waivers?</div></div>

G Smith is listed under "Non Roster" if you look at the long term outlook so it looks like he's in the AHL.

I definitely agree on Bords, he's looked much better since settling in on the wing.

With regards to Kunin, his QO is 3M so he'd likely take that if he's signing for 1 year and the Sharks don't need to save by signing him for less. That said, I could see a situation where he takes a bit less so he can be traded easier to a team that isn't terrible since the Sharks can't retain.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 2 at 10:46 p.m.
Thread: What a prospect pool wow
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MitchJr</b></div><div>Sharks have been awful for 5 years; I hope the prospect pool looks good. Not sure we can say Grier has done a good job with rebuild - he’s retaining massive $ for crazy number of years and returns on those trades were underwhelming. Book is still firmly out on Grier imo.</div></div>

The $ retained is actually pretty minimal, it's just the term and the amount of them making it so they can't retain on any more. 1.5M on Karl, 1.3875M on Hertl, and the expensive one is $2.72M on Burns which ends after next season.

As for the trade returns looking underwhelming:
Karlsson was seen as one of, if not the, worst contracts in the league prior to his 101 point season and was a very injury prone 33 year old and he managed to get out of most of the last 2 seasons by taking on a couple of bad deals that had 1-2 years left on them (Hoffman was horrible but just 1 year, Granlund had been moved for a 2nd at the prior TDL and had underperformed in that short stint, but he's played well here, Rutta was meh but he's not THAT expensive). In addition to that he got a 1st that's looking like it'll be right around 11-13 but could become an unprotected pick next year.

On the Meier deal I was initially underwhelmed but Zetterlund's been great and he's still fairly young, Musty who we got with the 26th pick is looking fantastic, Mukhamadullin looks like he could be at least a top 4, maybe even reach top pair, and we still have a 2nd round pick looking like it'll be around 40-45.

I'll agree I'm not happy with the return on the Burns deal but he had a 3 team trade list and not many teams he'd accept a trade to had space for him. It sounded like from what was said at the time the deal was mostly doing him a favor.

Hertl the part I'm least happy about is the team he went to. It's not Grier's fault Joe Will signed him to that contract when it was clear to pretty much everyone outside of the org that the team should rebuild, from the sounds of it Hertl wanted out and was misled to believe the team would do a short retool, not a full rebuild, and he still got 2 1sts back. Hertl is unlikely to be worth anywhere near his deal at the tail end when the Sharks are looking to compete so it was ideal to get rid of him when he could get a decent return and not wait too long. It'd be nice if the 3rds weren't included and even nicer if they were coming to San Jose, but I'm willing to wait and see. Hopefully Vegas does terribly next season and the Sharks somehow end up with a lottery pick from them (not likely but a guy can dream).

The most valuable thing is what he does with the cap space the deals freed up. I know there's no retention slots next year, but generally retention slots get mid round picks back while taking on bad deals is how teams get the big returns. They have around 39M in available cap space with 11 players under contract for next season and they have some RFAs they'll likely sign who will be making around 1-2M to take more of those slots, so they'll have plenty of space to take on bad deals.

As to the team being awful for 5 years, they'd traded away their 1st rounder in 2020 (ended up being 3rd overall and arguably the best player in the draft in Stutzle) and their 2021 2nd rounder in the Karlsson trade. They did acquire a 2020 1st trading away Goodrow but since Tampa won the cup it ended as pick 31, and Ozzy's not completely done but strong chance he's a bust. They've had 2 top 10 picks, 26, 27, 31, 34, 36, 38, and 45. While 9 top 50 picks in 4 drafts is good it takes time to build up from one of the worst prospect pools in the league which is where they were around that time. Prior to that they'd traded away their 2019 1st for Kane, in 2018 they gambled on a high risk, high reward player in Merkley and he busted, the player they picked with the 2017 1st (Norris) was included in the Karlsson trade, and they traded away their 2016 1st.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 2 at 5:20 p.m.
Thread: Who says no
The Athletic's pick values (not specific to any year) say pick 1 is worth 17.7 GSVA, 2 is worth 12.3 GSVA, and 12 is 5.5 GSVA. Based on those numbers the value is very close, though I wouldn't be surprised if Ottawa wanted a bit more (generally I've seen the trading up team overpay based on the Athletic's values).

I honestly can't decide what I'd want GMMG to do. Getting Macklin could be huge for us and I know he's a step above the rest of the draft class, but we could really use defense (especially on the right side) so getting something like Levshunov and a good player at 12 (maybe a Yakemchuk, Helenius, Iginla, or someone who falls) would be a great consolation prize. Of course if we win the lottery we could get Celebrini AND a player at 11 or 12 with the Pens' pick, maybe even trade up with either our 2nd or the Devils' 2nd to improve on the Pens' pick.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 2 at 5:09 p.m.
Thread: Who says no
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PLDGEY</b></div><div>Wait, how did Ottawa get the PIT 1st?</div></div>

This is a scenario where Ottawa wins the lottery. The Sharks have the PIT 1st so they'd be giving the PIT 1st along with pick 2 to trade up to 1 for Macklin.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sharcuda22</b></div><div>I would say I would rather have Levshunov and Helenius than just celebrini. While we certainly need another elite forward in pool a #1D is arguably a bigger need for us because we would have Musty Smith XXXX
Eklund Helenius XXXX
Bordeleau Bystedt Halttunen
Guschin Edstrom Robins
Muk Levshunov
Furlong Havelid
Cagoni Polkhamp</div></div>

That's incredibly optimistic. I'm excited about several of our prospects but if 5 of them in our system now succeed I'd be ecstatic and you're discussing pretty much all of them succeeding.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 31 at 9:07 p.m.
Thread: wings
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RazorSeider53</b></div><div>I was gonna agree... And then I saw that they're 100% full on retained salary slots next year. Oof.

What the **** was Grier thinking with that Hertl trade?!</div></div>

Probably that it was an opportunity to get some decent assets for a player who seemed to want out (he was going to be 'talking about his future' in the offseason and SJHN editor/podcast guy Sheng Peng at several points when discussing that fact throughout the season suggested he believed Hertl would want to move on after the season) and wouldn't have been great by the time the team is ready to compete. Yes, he gave up the last retention slot, but if he had the slot to use at this year's deadline maybe he gets an extra 4th, and at next year's deadline he probably doesn't get more than a 3rd's worth of additional value on a trade for using the retention slot. I don't know what Hertl might've gotten without retention but he likely loses more than a 3rd and a 4th worth of value by not retaining on that deal. Also, if he uses the cap space properly taking on bad short term deals it could have a lot more value than a retention slot.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 29 at 2:23 p.m.
Thread: Offseason moves
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DFinn91</b></div><div>Sharks don’t have any retention slots left.</div></div>

Sharks potentially accept the trade if a 3rd team could be involved with the Sharks giving the other team a pick to take on the retention (maybe VGK's 4th or TBL's 3rd). Alternatively they could take on a bad contract to offset things. I'm not sure who specifically (I don't think they'd take Reaves since it's through the end of the 25-26 season). Maybe it could be a 3-way deal where the Sharks take Justin Holl and the Wings retain 50% of Granlund since it's less than Holl's salary and expires after this year.

I personally don't want to see Granlund go, especially with Couture's future up in the air and our center depth being nonexistent, but if a 1st is coming back it could be worth it.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 24 at 4:26 p.m.
Thread: Using the cap space
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Players that are owed 21m....just don't retire.</div></div>

While I don't think he retires, he could be sent to Robidas Island.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Letsgosharks</b></div><div>To the Ottawa fans, I think he misvalued how much of a diff 6OA is to 12OA lol</div></div>

I know it wasn't you, but the Athletic's pick value chart has 6OA as worth 7.6GSAx and 12OA as 5.5 GSAx. The gap of 2.1GSAx is equal to pick 40, though the team trading up often overpays to do so.

A much closer value would be NJD's 2024 2nd and Pitt's 2024 1st (assuming it's 12th) for pick 6, though I suspect the Sharks would need to throw something else in...and that's only if Ottawa for some reason wants to make the trade.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 24 at 3:51 p.m.
Thread: San Jose Remake
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Viqsi</b></div><div>Um. You literally don't have the assets to get a return like that from the Jackets. Like, there is literally nothing San Jose has or can offer that would make that viable. You could add Will Smith and William Eklund and still be told "no".
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Viqsi</b></div><div>As anticipated, the Jackets trade has been edited:


It's technically an improvement in that we've moved on from "literally impossible" to a mere "that's not good enough". The Jackets do not need depth wingers, and even if we did that package isn't good enough for a top-5 pick.</div></div>

The inclusion of Barabanov makes zero impact on the trade as well. He's a pending UFA and I don't think after this year he's re-signing with any team near the bottom of the standings unless he can't get any other offers (which could reasonably happen considering his play this year, but it's unlikely he'll do it without testing free agency to see what's out there).

In addition to that, the Chicago trade is laughable. Too lazy to screenshot but it's pending UFA fringe 4th line/AHLer Justin Bailey, pending UFA fringe 4C/AHLer Ryan Carpenter, pending UFA who couldn't get NHL games on an injured/terrible Sharks squad Oskar Lindblom, and pending RFA who is starting to play decently but has limited value Filip Zadina for Chicago's 2024 and 2025 1st and 2nd.

I honestly can't take any of these trades seriously.

Why is Florida paying to dump a pending free agent?

Why is Washington giving away Carlson for free?

Morrissey was top 5 in Norris voting last year and based on the stats he's been having another good year (I haven't watched him outside of games against the Sharks this year) and Namestnikov's been good for them this year too, so why are they giving them up for a likely late 1st, a guy who hasn't done great after being traded for a 2026 5th and a prospect who was probably included for contract numbers, and a guy who was available on waivers this year (though he's been decent for the Sharks on the rare occasions he's been healthy)?

The other Jets trade isn't much better...a pending UFA goalie who was picked up for a 7th, a good AHLer in Scott Sabourin who isn't young enough to be more than the veteran guy down there who might occasionally be rewarded with a game or 2 at the NHL level, a pending RFA center who passed through waivers and wasn't able to stick on a Sharks team with 3 of its top 4 centers injured, a former 31st OA pick who was considered a reach when taken and is getting very close to being considered a bust (not quite there yet, still some interest in him hence Milwaukee wanting him to be loaned for the playoff push), and a 1st in 3 years for one of the better goalies in the league, Ehlers, and Appleton both of whom are good players (I'm getting lazy so I'm going to stop going through this).
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 22 at 1:59 a.m.