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Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 5 at 9:37 p.m.
Thread: Trading Jake and retooling in the offseason
That EK trade isn't even worth the retention for 4 years.


<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pensfan21</b></div><div>I like the Jake trade here a lot, but the way I see it this is our last chance to go all in. I don't think we have a great chance this season, but I would understand if they want to give Crosby one last opportunity the way he is playing. I think it will largely depend on how we do at this deadline. But if we trade Jake it's pretty much over. It will be much tougher to win next year than this year with how old the roster is. And free agents won't want to sign here for long term, given how close we are to a rebuild, which would make it almost impossible to replace Jake. It will only get tougher to win next year. I think we either go all in now then begin the rebuild in the offseason or we just sell now and start the rebuild.</div></div>

There is literally nothing this team can bring in to make them a cup contender, and pissing those assets away will hurt a lot going forward.

This team is a seller.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 30 at 11:59 a.m.
Thread: Jake to Nashville
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pensfan21</b></div><div>I see what your saying and can see why going for it is a good option. For me though I think the question is whether we will even make the playoffs and not whether we will win the cup. And when the goal becomes only playoffs and it's the second year in a row I think that's when it's time. I think if we start the rebuild right now we could potentially make it a lot quicker. If we extend Guentzel though and keep trying to contend for 2-3 years it will be a brutal rebuild. And for me it's not worth it when the chances of winning the cup are almost 0. As far as returns go I think:

Guetnzel: We should try and get two A level prospects.
Pettersson: A 1st and maybe a B prospect
Jarry: If we trade him for Campbell on the Oilers we'd probably get two 1sts back.

2-3 good prospects and three 1sts in this case would be a good start to the rebuild. Then next year we would most likely have a chance at the draft lottery. I'm a big believer in not rushing through the rebuild and really taking our time to make sure we build up a good team. Ideally we take it slow and have 4-5 years of top 3-5 picks and then can have a new era of contending.</div></div>

Well that's definitely a fair question haha - the odds of them missing the playoffs are a lot higher than their chances of winning the Cup that's for sure. Which to me is close to zero. But if you have a decent chance to make the playoffs, which right now I think they do, then I think you have to take it. My opinion is also heavily based on where they are in the standings. If they **** the bed before the TDL and are like 12+ points out of the playoff race come deadline time, I have no issue trading Guentzel. I get what you're saying about the rebuild - why go for it with a very slim chance of winning. Try to lessen the rebuild. I guess that's just where we differ, I see a brutal rebuild no matter what, and would take another playoff berth or two over ending it now and hopefully hitting on your picks to quicken the future rebuild, which isn't guaranteed. It might not be the right business decision, maybe it's just what I want as a fan haha.

Those would be great assets to get - and can be a great start to a rebuild assuming you hit on the picks. Honestly you might get something decent for Ned too with the way he's played. My main here issue though is the middle ground thing. If they blow it up and get a bunch of good assets, sure I'll be sad, but it's still a respectable and logical move that I can understand. I can't hate it. What can't happen, and what will piss me off, is some half assed "soft rebuild" that leaves us in limbo.
Forum: Fauteuil - DGJan. 12 at 2:19 p.m.
Thread: Moving Guentzel while still having a Playoff run
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>datools</b></div><div>I absolutely hate the thought of Guentzel leaving.

If he does though I think this could be a good for for both teams. In my dream scenario we still sign him to 9.5x8 in the off-season</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pensgm</b></div><div>Many people have been posting near the same Van trade.

to the point that its a swap both teams need im not so sure about. If he hits the market there will likely be a bidding war and this does not get it done</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pensfan21</b></div><div>I think this is a logical move for both teams. I would say we try and get Hoglander back too, that way we not only get a replacement, but also some depth and a good player for the future. I don't think Kuzmenko will be able to make up for Guentzel's production, but if we continue to play structured hockey and good team defense I think we will be tough to beat regardless whose in the lineup.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Vancity2196</b></div><div>Canucks decline.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>igbpv</b></div><div>That’s good cause tbh, Pens probably ask for Nils back too or else it’s not good for them</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Victor24</b></div><div>If they trade Guentzel, this is probably close to the deal.

Both sides can walk away without an L for their players and fans.</div></div>

The best thing long term for the penguins franchise would be to lose some tight games in the next month and fall out of the playoff picture and flip guentzel for a 1st plus a good prospect maybe more depends on how many teams get involved… this does not mean PIT could not resign Jake in the off-season but if we were to trade him I doubt we would… obviously I’d hate to see guentzel leave, he would be a great career penguin, if he stayed in PIT till retirement no one would complain but the sooner the pens start trying to be terrible again and start building for the future the better the next era of penguins hockey will turn out
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 29, 2023 at 5:19 p.m.
Thread: keeping guentzel
Outsider Perspective: I am in the Pittsburgh needs to do a full rebuild camp. Before Dubas arrived in Pits I couldn't see a way where they would be a cup contender going into this year. I thought they should work on getting younger.

Adding Smith for a 3rd. Good move but for the wrong team in my mind. It made them older.
Adding Karlsson. Again wrong team and 10m cap was too much.
Adding Acciari. Good move. Right team. He is older but his cap is low and would help in a complete tear down scenario.
Resigning Jarry Expensive. Good goalie but I thought they should go for a cheap cap tandem.
Adding Graves. I actually liked this signing. Reasonable cap hit, solid #4 dman. Younger guy.
Adding Eller. Didn't love the move based on his age and cap. Not terrible but already adding Acciari, it felt a bit redundant. One or the other. The other guy should have been in his 20s.

I do think the best bet for Pits is to sell Guentzel and to talk with Crosby, Malkin and Letang. See if they want to be moved to a competitor for their final years. Crosby would fit PERFECTLY on Colorado, for example.

They can either do a full rebuild and be competitive in a few years again. Or be mediocre for the next few years with Crosby and Malkin, not collect any assets and be irrelevant for the next 8-10 years.

Those are just my thoughts :)
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 3, 2023 at 12:43 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 3, 2023 at 1:30 p.m.
Thread: Leafs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pensfan21</b></div><div>Because he adds something different to the bottom 6. If our bottom 6 doesn't score then I at least want them to bring something new to the table. He wouldn't be my first choice. Ideally I'd like to get either more speed, net front presence, power play help, or someone that brings physicality + a little more goal scoring. But for a 7th round pick I would take that to at least try something new there. What we have just isn't working imo.

Edit: Completely forgot how high his salary is. I mistook it and thought it was 775k. I would not accept this trade now that I know that</div></div>

Ah ok. Yes, Reaves at 750k for a 7th would be fine.

I agree they need more punch in their bottom 6 but Reaves is essentially saying "we aren't going to score on this shift"
Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 25, 2023 at 9:30 a.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 17, 2023 at 1:08 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 25, 2023 at 10:26 p.m.
Thread: Bottom 6 couldve looked Different without EK
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pensfan21</b></div><div>The issue is a lot of the teams issues right now are one's that they've had for a couple of years. The fact that it still looks the same and are making the same mistakes despite having a complete roster overhaul is really concerning. Sometimes dynasties just fizzle out, regardless of the core still playing at an elite level. I hope that's not the case, but I think a rebuild or a coaching change might be the only two viable options at this point.</div></div>

Trust me I know all about that 25yrs of buying at the TDL and trying to keep the streak alive even though they really didn't have a chance. Now it was partially because they didn't want Mike Illitch's last memory of the team to be a losing one. But I'd give it a bit longer Detroit didn't add a dman like Karlsson in those last couple of seasons. Especially after he put up a ridiculous 101 points the season before. Pittsburgh has the one of most experienced teams in the league it shouldn't take much before that have things figured out.