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Tell me an NHL opinion that most people will disagree with

Aug 27, 2019 at 11:56
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Quoting: hanson493
1. rinne is probably not top 10 anymore but a couple years ago he was for sure top 10.
2. i agree if NJ cant resign hall you have to trade him.
3. I also agree in thinking Toronto isnt built for postseason success.


I agree with the first 2. If they're 50/50 if they can sign Hall at the deadline then it'll depend on a) where they are in the standings and b) the offers.

Toronto has a team that could win in the playoffs. I'm not saying they will, but they have what they need ... now they just need to play well enough.
Aug 27, 2019 at 11:56
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Quoting: Brian2016
He won the Vezina 14 months ago.


But i'm pretty sure most people would say he's not a top 10 goalie. I might be wrong, though.
Aug 27, 2019 at 11:58
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Quoting: Brian2016
Who else in TOR thinks Marner is worth more than Tavares and as much as Matthews?


But your wording confused me. You said he's not being overvalued by everyone other than Marner and his agent. If everyone's supposed to disagree, then they'd think they're overvaluing him ... i don't get that.
Aug 27, 2019 at 12:18
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Aleksander Barkov is the 3rd best centerman in the NHL.

Also, Drew Doughty isn’t a top 30 defenseman in the NHL.
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Aug 27, 2019 at 12:30
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Quoting: EthanK24
Aleksander Barkov is the 3rd best centerman in the NHL.

Also, Drew Doughty isn’t a top 30 defenseman in the NHL.


I think Doughty is a top 10 d-man ... i guess it's supposed to be something that most will disagree with, but how is Doughty not top 30?
Aug 27, 2019 at 12:32
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Quoting: EthanK24
Aleksander Barkov is the 3rd best centerman in the NHL.

Also, Drew Doughty isn’t a top 30 defenseman in the NHL.

Are you putting Barkov behind McDavid and Crosby? I think a lot of people will agree with Barkov as the 3rd best C in the league ... i wouldn't put him ahead of MacKinnon (at least not right now) but it's arguable and some would. I think MacKinnon is mostly considered the better player than Barkov by a lot of people but some would rank Barkov ahead of MacKinnon ... some people would put him ahead of Sid i'm pretty sure (not me, though).
Aug 27, 2019 at 5:20
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Quoting: rangersandislesfan
But your wording confused me. You said he's not being overvalued by everyone other than Marner and his agent. If everyone's supposed to disagree, then they'd think they're overvaluing him ... i don't get that.


An NHL opinion most people disagree with: Marner is NOT being overvalued (In other words, most people agree that Marner is being overvalued; I apologize for the double negative, lol). I can try to make the case that he is worth Matthews/Tavares money, at least.
Aug 27, 2019 at 7:08
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Quoting: Brian2016
An NHL opinion most people disagree with: Marner is NOT being overvalued (In other words, most people agree that Marner is being overvalued; I apologize for the double negative, lol). I can try to make the case that he is worth Matthews/Tavares money, at least.


Overvalued by who? Marner and his agent?
Aug 27, 2019 at 9:45
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Quoting: rangersandislesfan
Overvalued by who? Marner and his agent?


Yes, Marner and his agent have overvalued Marner. The opinion MOST PEOPLE disagree with is that Marner is NOT overvalued. I took the position that he is NOT overvalued by he and his agent. This is obviously a minority opinion.
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Aug 27, 2019 at 9:50
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Overvalued by who? Marner and his agent?


I think you'd have a tough time finding 10 people who think Marner is worth $11M+ AAV. I think he is just as valuable as JT (if not more b/c he's younger). Dubas screwed himself long term when he gave into Nylander's ridiculous demands at the 11h hour and now Marner and his agent know they have Dubas in a vulnerable position if they hold out til Oct. Not only is Marner worth $11M but he's probably gonna get it, albeit on an 8 year deal. All my opinion.
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Aug 27, 2019 at 11:10
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I have so so many.

Logan Couture isn’t a 1C
Barzal>Petterson
Isles make the playoffs this year
Sharks miss the playoffs this year
John Gibson is THE best goalie in the NHL
Rasmus Dahlin should’ve won the Calder
Cale Makar is overrated (doesn’t mean he’s bad)
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Aug 27, 2019 at 11:11
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Quoting: rangersandislesfan
Here's one that i hope people will agree with ... if not, i don't know what to say.

nhl.com's list of the top 10 goalies is way off.

I hope everyone agrees.


All their lists always suck, but the goalies one this year was especially awful
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Aug 28, 2019 at 8:19
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All their lists always suck, but the goalies one this year was especially awful


Subban was too high on the defensemen list ... and Slavin wasn't even on the list lol.
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Aug 28, 2019 at 8:20
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Quoting: Brian2016
I think you'd have a tough time finding 10 people who think Marner is worth $11M+ AAV. I think he is just as valuable as JT (if not more b/c he's younger). Dubas screwed himself long term when he gave into Nylander's ridiculous demands at the 11h hour and now Marner and his agent know they have Dubas in a vulnerable position if they hold out til Oct. Not only is Marner worth $11M but he's probably gonna get it, albeit on an 8 year deal. All my opinion.

Toronto can't do 11M, can they? I think if it's 10M or less they can do it.
Aug 28, 2019 at 8:57
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Quoting: Brian2016
I think you'd have a tough time finding 10 people who think Marner is worth $11M+ AAV. I think he is just as valuable as JT (if not more b/c he's younger). Dubas screwed himself long term when he gave into Nylander's ridiculous demands at the 11h hour and now Marner and his agent know they have Dubas in a vulnerable position if they hold out til Oct. Not only is Marner worth $11M but he's probably gonna get it, albeit on an 8 year deal. All my opinion.


i agree with this, i get tons of backlash on here for it but he has led the team in points back to back years and does it all, pp, pk, score, pass, backcheck.
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Aug 28, 2019 at 9:49
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Quoting: hanson493
i agree with this, i get tons of backlash on here for it but he has led the team in points back to back years and does it all, pp, pk, score, pass, backcheck.


Is he worth as much as Matthews, though?
Aug 28, 2019 at 9:57
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opinion: marner posts are good and not at all obnoxious drivel
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Aug 28, 2019 at 9:58
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Is he worth as much as Matthews, though?


I would say so. Marner is more reliable. Matthews is the goal scorer but Marner gave up scoring chances to get the better finisher the puck. i have no doubt that marner could also be a 40 goal 40 assist guy.
Aug 28, 2019 at 11:04
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Quoting: hanson493
i agree with this, i get tons of backlash on here for it but he has led the team in points back to back years and does it all, pp, pk, score, pass, backcheck.


I'm not even saying Marner is worth $11M+, but he's worth at least as much as Tavares. So, if Tavares is worth $11M so is Marner.
Aug 28, 2019 at 11:08
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Toronto can't do 11M, can they? I think if it's 10M or less they can do it.


I don't think so. Not w/o doing another trade or cap dump somewhere.
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Aug 28, 2019 at 11:30
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Are you putting Barkov behind McDavid and Crosby? I think a lot of people will agree with Barkov as the 3rd best C in the league ... i wouldn't put him ahead of MacKinnon (at least not right now) but it's arguable and some would. I think MacKinnon is mostly considered the better player than Barkov by a lot of people but some would rank Barkov ahead of MacKinnon ... some people would put him ahead of Sid i'm pretty sure (not me, though).


I’m putting him behind Sid & McDavid, which isn’t an extremely hot take, but whatever.
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Aug 28, 2019 at 11:33
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I think Doughty is a top 10 d-man ... i guess it's supposed to be something that most will disagree with, but how is Doughty not top 30?


IMO Doughty is extremely overrated defensively, and is nothing special offensively. Basically he’s not a #1 defenseman.
Aug 28, 2019 at 12:24
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Aug 28, 2019 at 1:40
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Quoting: mondo
opinion: marner posts are good and not at all obnoxious drivel


So many people don't want to hear about Marner anymore that it's gotten to the point where not many people are talking about him lol.
Aug 28, 2019 at 1:40
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Quoting: hanson493
I would say so. Marner is more reliable. Matthews is the goal scorer but Marner gave up scoring chances to get the better finisher the puck. i have no doubt that marner could also be a 40 goal 40 assist guy.

Matthews is such a good all-round player, though.
 
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