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Dumba

Created by: GMRyan
Initial Creation Date: Jan 20, 2020
Published: Jan 20 at 4:58
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Trades
TOR
  1. Dumba, Matt
  2. Bitten, Will
MIN
  1. Kapanen, Kasperi
  2. Dermott, Travis
  3. Bracco, Jeremy
  4. 2021 1st round pick (TOR)
  5. 2020 3rd round pick (CBJ)
TOR
  1. 2021 4th round pick (NJD)
  2. 2020 5th round pick (NJD)
NJD
  1. Ceci, Cody
  2. 2020 2nd round pick (TOR)
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
  • Robin Lehner: $1,100,000 (22%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
TOR
VGK
NJD
TOR
CAR
COL
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
NJD
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$82,352,977$0$70,000-$852,977
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,893,000
RW
UFA - 6
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 5
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
$3,400,000
LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
$925,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Timashov, Dmytro
$694,444
LW
RFA - 1
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Moore, Trevor
$775,000
RW, LW
RFA - 2
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
$675,000
C
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
MIN
Dumba, Matt
$6,000,000
RD
UFA - 4
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Holl, Justin
$675,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Hutchinson, Michael
$700,000
G
UFA - 1
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
$894,167
LD
RFA - 3
TOR
Barrie, Tyson
$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Marincin, Martin
$700,000
LD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Clarkson, David
$5,250,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1

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Jan 20 at 5:00
#1
Joined: Aug 2019
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absolute joke for the dumba trade
Jan 20 at 5:02
#2
Joined: Jan 2020
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Take out Bracco, Dermott and the 3rd and put in Lilegren and the Wild accept.
Jan 20 at 5:04
#3
Joined: Jun 2019
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The wild would want Sandin if they were to trade dumba
Jan 20 at 5:07
#4
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Wild and their fans will be incredibly disappointed in the return for Dumba - that proposal above is an overpayment
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Jan 20 at 5:10
#5
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Quoting: Boomer125
Wild and their fans will be incredibly disappointed in the return for Dumba - that proposal above is an overpayment


No they won’t. He is not going to be traded. ??‍♂️
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Jan 20 at 5:12
#6
Thread Starter
Try to be real
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Quoting: BLIvingston33
Take out Bracco, Dermott and the 3rd and put in Lilegren and the Wild accept.


Yea for sure! That’s done
Jan 20 at 5:12
#7
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Quoting: Gofnut999
No they won’t. He is not going to be traded. ??‍♂️


Well there's always that
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Jan 20 at 5:18
#8
get off my lawn...
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I think wild accept this trade in a heartbeat... if they decide to move dumba. Think it also works well both ways. Pretty good job.
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Jan 20 at 5:50
#9
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Quoting: Boomer125
Wild and their fans will be incredibly disappointed in the return for Dumba - that proposal above is an overpayment


Then why trade him? We have zero reason to force a trade.
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Jan 20 at 5:51
#10
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Quoting: Jamiepo
I think wild accept this trade in a heartbeat... if they decide to move dumba. Think it also works well both ways. Pretty good job.


It's a bit of an overpayment IMO, but really if we do trade Dumba it should be for quality and not quantity.

Edit: not that there aren't quality pieces here, because there are, just that I'd rather we go for one really good prospect over a couple solid ones
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Jan 20 at 5:53
#11
get off my lawn...
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Quoting: TanSor
Then why trade him? We have zero reason to force a trade.


I think you are right. But I also think some fans with unreal expectations will be very disappointed if a fair trade goes through.
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Jan 20 at 5:56
#12
arky
Joined: Aug 2016
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Ca not trade 2021 1st pick because it is conditional pick, that is still in play in the Carolina deal. If Toronto fails fo make the playoffs and draft within the top ten, then pick is retained by Toronto and 2021 pick becomes Carolina pick.
Jan 20 at 5:58
#13
get off my lawn...
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Quoting: TanSor
It's a bit of an overpayment IMO, but really if we do trade Dumba it should be for quality and not quantity.

Edit: not that there aren't quality pieces here, because there are, just that I'd rather we go for one really good prospect over a couple solid ones

I think Kapanen and Dermott are two very solid pieces that could work very well. Pair Brodin and spurgeon and suter with Dermott. Kapanen has grown a lot. He’s no longer a speedy winger with individual skills. His IQ has him up dramatically and his puck possession is much better.

I would hate to give up what we are in this trade. But if you want a player like dumba you have to give up some nhl pieces.

Don’t suppose you would just take our next 3 1st round picks... lol.
Jan 20 at 6:02
#14
Joined: Jan 2020
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Quoting: Jamiepo
I think Kapanen and Dermott are two very solid pieces that could work very well. Pair Brodin and spurgeon and suter with Dermott. Kapanen has grown a lot. He’s no longer a speedy winger with individual skills. His IQ has him up dramatically and his puck possession is much better.

I would hate to give up what we are in this trade. But if you want a player like dumba you have to give up some nhl pieces.

Don’t suppose you would just take our next 3 1st round picks... lol.


Soucy is not being split up from Brodin (if Dumba moves instead of him) and Suter is not being split up from Spurgeon though. Dermott would be third pairing, which is fine but I'd still rather get Liljegren and scrap Bracco from the deal.
Jan 20 at 6:05
#15
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Quoting: TanSor
It's a bit of an overpayment IMO, but really if we do trade Dumba it should be for quality and not quantity.

Edit: not that there aren't quality pieces here, because there are, just that I'd rather we go for one really good prospect over a couple solid ones


Not really. A middle-6 wing (not needed), a not needed LD, and a guy who will be waiver fodder next year + a mid-late 1st. It's really just a bunch of stuff.
Jan 20 at 6:06
#16
get off my lawn...
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Quoting: BLIvingston33
Soucy is not being split up from Brodin (if Dumba moves instead of him) and Suter is not being split up from Spurgeon though. Dermott would be third pairing, which is fine but I'd still rather get Liljegren and scrap Bracco from the deal.


Watch Dermott play and don’t go by his stat lines. They are deceiving. I would hope air him up with suter and let him go. Would also give him pp time. He would blossom quickly if he had more of a chance. I don’t think leafs would move him anyway but it might be good for his career.
Jan 20 at 6:07
#17
get off my lawn...
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Quoting: wabit
Not really. A middle-6 wing (not needed), a not needed LD, and a guy who will be waiver fodder next year + a mid-late 1st. It's really just a bunch of stuff.

Lol... did you just call Dermott waiver fodder? Just so you know... he is good and can play the right side.
Jan 20 at 6:08
#18
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Watch Dermott play and don’t go by his stat lines. They are deceiving. I would hope air him up with suter and let him go. Would also give him pp time. He would blossom quickly if he had more of a chance. I don’t think leafs would move him anyway but it might be good for his career.


Suter ain't allowing it is my point there. He whines when he isn't with Spurge. And Soucy/Brodin have been insanely good together so they aren't splitting up.
Jan 20 at 6:14
#19
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Quoting: wabit
Not really. A middle-6 wing (not needed), a not needed LD, and a guy who will be waiver fodder next year + a mid-late 1st. It's really just a bunch of stuff.


Quoting: Jamiepo
Lol... did you just call Dermott waiver fodder? Just so you know... he is good and can play the right side.


Wow high hopes for a struggling 2nd pair Dman who has been sheltered by the likes of Brodin, Spurgeon and Suter. The trade proposed is more than fair for what Dumba is
Jan 20 at 6:18
#20
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Watch Dermott play and don’t go by his stat lines. They are deceiving. I would hope air him up with suter and let him go. Would also give him pp time. He would blossom quickly if he had more of a chance. I don’t think leafs would move him anyway but it might be good for his career.


I like Dermott, he's just not a good fit for MN. They are heavy on d-men.
Jan 20 at 6:18
#21
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Quoting: Boomer125
Wow high hopes for a struggling 2nd pair Dman who has been sheltered by the likes of Brodin, Spurgeon and Suter. The trade proposed is more than fair for what Dumba is


He really isn't struggling so much as getting unlucky. Leads the team in shots playing on the third pairing and second PP unit. Trending upward his whole career and has only dropped off this one season. Wouldn't be shocked to see him hit 70 points the next few years, no matter what team he's on.
Jan 20 at 6:19
#22
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Lol... did you just call Dermott waiver fodder? Just so you know... he is good and can play the right side.


Brocco will be, not Dermott
Jan 20 at 6:20
#23
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Quoting: BLIvingston33
Suter ain't allowing it is my point there. He whines when he isn't with Spurge. And Soucy/Brodin have been insanely good together so they aren't splitting up.


Brodin/Soucy got spit up shortly after Spurgeon got healthy.
Jan 20 at 6:23
#24
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Quoting: wabit
Brocco will be, not Dermott


Wild roster is full of "waiver fodder"
Jan 20 at 6:25
#25
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Quoting: Boomer125
Wild roster is full of "waiver fodder"


??? Rask maybe? Nobody else is clearing waivers.
 
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