Habs agressive stunners Price to COL cap space for Barzal

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Created by: nilees24

Team: 2020-21 Montreal Canadiens

Initial Creation Date: May 14, 2020

Published: May 14, 2020

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

For the Habs to improve on offense & defense they'll have to give up their crown jewel in net. And yes, for the Habs to resign pillar players long-term (Gallagher, Danualt, Petry), their only option is departing with Price's 10.5 million cap space. Sakic is in need of a goaltender with a high pedigree, Price would waive his no-trade clause for a Cup contender in the Western conference. MTL can ride Francouz and Crawford as BRIDGE goaltenders until Primeau is ready to go for the 2022/23 season. Give them both 40 games each and find out which one is good to go for a playoff run.

Projected cap space - (81.5 mill salary cap spikes to 84.5 mill for 2021/22)

Word out of Montreal is Ilya Kovalchuk is a lock to return (likely 3 mil/yr deal with performance bonuses). Feeling is Tatar & Weal are not affordable to re-sign for 2021/22 season (unless Drouin is traded in 2021-22). All other UFA's/RFA's at start of 2021/22 (Gallagher, Danault, Petry, Armia, Lehkonen, Poehling, etc.) can be resigned at fair market value (total cap hit for top 23 players just under $84 mill for 2021/22 season).

2021/22 Contract Offers (UFA's/RFA's):
Gallagher 6 yr / 43.5 mill (7.25 mill/yr.)
Danualt 6 yr / 36 mill (6 mill/yr.)
Petry 4 yr / 22 mill (5.5 mill/yr.)
Armia 4 yr / 16 mill (4 mill/yr.)
Lehkonen 3 yr / 9 mill (3 mill/yr.)
Poehling 2 yr / 1.7 mill (850k/yr.)
Caufield 3 yr / 2.775 mill (925k/yr entry-level deal.)

Team Cap Hit for 2021/22 - $83.9 million

Free Agent Signings

RESERVE LIST	YEARS	CAP HIT
Romanov, Alexander	3	$925,000
Fairbrother, Gianni	3	$743,333
Harvey-Pinard, Rafaël	3	$700,000
Fonstad, Cole	3	$700,000

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Barzal, Mathew	7	$9,000,000
Domi, Max	5	$6,500,000
Mete, Victor	2	$1,250,000
Evans, Jake	2	$850,000
Juulsen, Noah	1	$725,000
Vejdemo, Lukas	1	$725,000
Blandisi, Joseph	1	$700,000
Lucchini, Jacob	1	$700,000

UFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Crawford, Corey	2	$3,500,000
Kovalchuk, Ilya	2	$3,000,000
Thompson, Nate	2	$1,250,000
LaDue, Paul	1	$700,000

Trades

MTL

2022 5th round pick (NJD)

NJD

Alzner, Karl
2020 2nd round pick (MTL)
2021 3rd round pick (CHI)

Additional Details:

Trade occurs at Draft.

MTL

Francouz, Pavel
Girard, Samuel
2021 1st round pick (COL)

COL

Price, Carey

Additional Details:

Trade occurs after Draft.

MTL

Barzal, Mathew [RFA Rights]

NYI

Brook, Josh
Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
2021 1st round pick (MTL)

Additional Details:

Trade occurs after Draft. MB should consider offer sheet for Barzal if Trade fails.

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2020
2021
2022

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$81,500,000	$77,103,809	$0	$425,000	$4,396,191

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Tatar, Tomas $4,800,000$4,800,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Barzal, Mathew $9,000,000$9,000,000 C, RW UFA - 3	Gallagher, Brendan $3,750,000$3,750,000 RW, LW NMC UFA - 1
Drouin, Jonathan $5,500,000$5,500,000 LW, RW UFA - 3	Danault, Phillip $3,083,333$3,083,333 C UFA - 1	Suzuki, Nick $863,333$863,333 ($425,000$425K) C UFA - 2
Kovalchuk, Ilya $3,000,000$3,000,000 LW, RW UFA	Domi, Max $6,500,000$6,500,000 C, RW UFA - 2	Armia, Joel $2,600,000$2,600,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
Lehkonen, Artturi $2,400,000$2,400,000 LW, RW UFA - 1		Byron, Paul $3,400,000$3,400,000 LW, RW UFA - 3
Weal, Jordan $1,400,000$1,400,000 C, RW, LW UFA - 1	Thompson, Nate $1,250,000$1,250,000 C UFA - 1	Evans, Jake $850,000$850,000 C UFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Girard, Samuel $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD/RD UFA - 7	Weber, Shea $7,857,143$7,857,143 RD UFA - 6	Francouz, Pavel $2,000,000$2,000,000 G UFA - 2
Chiarot, Ben $1,750,000$1,750,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 2	Petry, Jeff $5,500,000$5,500,000 RD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1
Kulak, Brett $925,000$925,000 LD/RD UFA - 2	Mete, Victor $1,250,000$1,250,000 LD/RD UFA - 1	Crawford, Corey $3,500,000$3,500,000 G UFA - 2
Romanov, Alexander $925,000$925,000 LD RFA - 2

May 14, 2020 at 9:56 p.m.

#76

Random2152

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Quoting: Subbanator7667

You say we're delusional yet any expert on Sportsnet, Sportcenter, GM in the league and fellow players who play against him would call you delusional.

I know the numbers, been shown them all. Doesnt change the fact that hockey people who are actually in charge of making trades, in knowing the insider knowledge and guys who play against Price every night all say you're wrong.

Welcome to the NHL boys club.

You say that as if GM's and the people in charge don't have a horrendous history of mis-valuing players and ESPECIALLY goaltenders (Cough cough - Bobrovsky).

I don't know what experts you are looking at, but most of them realise that Price is not good anymore and certainly not going to fetch a large return.

Ultimately the difference is Price has been worse for longer and Isn't a UFA. No one is taking that contract without massive retention and incentives (aka picks/players).

May 14, 2020 at 9:58 p.m.

#77

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Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason

Hellebuyck, Andersen, and Bobrovsky all played more games than Price over the last 4 years and each of them had a better sv% over that time. Hellebuyck is the only one of the three that anyone would even dare to ask a similar return for because he was the best goalie in the league this year and is young and signed to a good contract. Price is none of those things.

Price is the best goalie in the world.

https://www.nhlpa.com/player-poll/2019-20

May 14, 2020 at 9:58 p.m.

#78

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Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason

So you name 3 goalies, all on teams that were making cup runs for those years. MTL has been in a rebuilding phase for the past 3 years. And ya, Hellybuyck will ask for 9+ after this conttact, so who ever signs him to it will have to deal.

May 14, 2020 at 9:59 p.m.

#79

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Quoting: Subbanator7667

The stats I posted account for the team in front of them. Face it. Price isn't good anymore by old metrics or new ones. You'd have to pay big time to move him and especially with the flat cap there wouldn't be many if any suitors at all.

May 14, 2020 at 10:00 p.m.

#80

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Quoting: Subbanator7667

Never said Price to Colorado made sense or should be done. Just fighting the fact that people on the site seem to think that the Habs would have to pay another team an arm and a leg to move Price, when the reality is the NHL would be full of suitors for him if he was on the market. Habs would have to retain to get a home run deal, but would still be able to move him.

Name a team that would want carey price with zero retention, and would give up value for him?

Give up young assets to trade for a 32 year old 10.5 mill contract for what 6 more years?

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May 14, 2020 at 10:01 p.m.

#81

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Quoting: nilees24

Price is the best goalie in the world.

https://www.nhlpa.com/player-poll/2019-20

His results say otherwise.

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May 14, 2020 at 10:01 p.m.

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Quoting: Random2152

They have horrendous history of missing valuing players....you just proved my point.

You say dont know what experts but literally any panelist on the major sports networks (outside Boston) would day that he is.

I get it man, his numbers arent where 10.5 should be, just commenting on the fact that you seem to think MTL would have to give up major assets to trade him. When you literally just admitted that most GMs are horrible evaluators of talent.

It's a boys club man, guys making trade decisions care about reputations as stats. That's my point. Its stupid to think other wise.

May 14, 2020 at 10:03 p.m.

#83

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Quoting: JeffW

Name a team that would want carey price with zero retention, and would give up value for him?

Give up young assets to trade for a 32 year old 10.5 mill contract for what 6 more years?

Me confused. How come Avs fans are turning down Carey Price? Don't you need a five star goalie to make a deep playoff run? You could make his contract disappear 5 yrs down the road.

May 14, 2020 at 10:04 p.m.

#84

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Quoting: Subbanator7667

Cup runs? Leafs didn't make it out of the first round once over that period and I think the Jets and CBJ did once a piece. You asked for goalies that played a lot of games. Hellebuyck's future contract is irrelevant.

May 14, 2020 at 10:04 p.m.

#85

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Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason

His results say otherwise.

Fans and GMs think he's the best. Does that make him the best?

May 14, 2020 at 10:04 p.m.

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Quoting: nilees24

Me confused. How come Avs fans are turning down Carey Price? Don't you need a five star goalie to make a deep playoff run? You could make his contract disappear 5 yrs down the road.

Yes sir, you are confused

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May 14, 2020 at 10:04 p.m.

#87

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Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason

No Leafs talk on this thread SIr.

May 14, 2020 at 10:04 p.m.

#88

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Quoting: nilees24

Fans and GMs think he's the best. Does that make him the best?

No.

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May 14, 2020 at 10:05 p.m.

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Quoting: Subbanator7667

That reputation has a 10.5 aav price tag attached to it. Add that to bad base stats and even worse adv stats and no one is going to take him.
The reason why goalies are so poorly judged is because GM's rely on base stats, but that doesn't even help Price in this case.

It's time to face the fact that Price's contract is either going to drown your team or cost one of its better parts to move.

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May 14, 2020 at 10:08 p.m.

#90

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Quoting: nilees24

Me confused. How come Avs fans are turning down Carey Price? Don't you need a five star goalie to make a deep playoff run? You could make his contract disappear 5 yrs down the road.

He is no longer a 5 star goalie. If he was signed to a reasonable contract - maybe 2 years at 3M AAV I bet youd have teams interested in taking a risk to see if he bounces back to his old form but on his current contract you would have to pay a team to take him. See this AGM for my counter proposal: https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/327824&post_id=1422017

May 14, 2020 at 10:09 p.m.

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nilees24

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Quoting: Random2152

Avs have so much cap space. Even if Price for Francouz and Girard, Avs take on contract in full, Sakic would consider it. He has memories of 96 and 01.

May 14, 2020 at 10:10 p.m.

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Quoting: nilees24

Avs have so much cap space. Even if Price for Francouz and Girard, Avs take on contract in full, Sakic would consider it. He has memories of 96 and 01.

Habs also have cap space. Are you interested in taking Marc Edouard Vlasic for Suzuki, Mete, and a 2021 1st?

May 14, 2020 at 10:11 p.m.

#93

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Quoting: moli92

All 32 teams would take Carey Price at that 5.25 mill AAV. For this trade (Price for Francouz and Girard), Habs don't take any cap retention. Sakic would jump on that real quick.

May 14, 2020 at 10:11 p.m.

#94

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Quoting: nilees24

Price is the best goalie in the world.

https://www.nhlpa.com/player-poll/2019-20

He isn't close to the best goalie in the world and hasnt been for years. He's now 32 and signed for 10.5 million until he's 39.

It was a catastrophic contract before the ink was dry and will destroy Montreal for its duration

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May 14, 2020 at 10:11 p.m.

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Habs also have cap space. Are you interested in taking Marc Edouard Vlasic for Suzuki, 2020 1st, and Mete?

Suzuki is an untouchable. Never. I'm scared he's an expanion draft candidate. All the more reason to trade KK

May 14, 2020 at 10:11 p.m.

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Quoting: Random2152

Lol ya neither of those will happen.

I predict Price will have a Rinne or Lundqvist like career. Play into his mid 30s, be decent, but elite behind a youthful up and coming Habs team. Even with a flat cap the Habs are in good shape with him, couple years from now when the cap finally rises again they will still be good with him.

His reputation holds value in a trade, at this moment, you're opinion wont change that.

His cap hit won't hurt the Habs as long as the cap rises by 2022. Pretty simple to see.

May 14, 2020 at 10:12 p.m.

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Suzuki is an untouchable. Never. I'm scared he's an expanion draft candidate. All the more reason to trade KK

Wow did you ever miss the point. You are hopeless. Maybe pick another sport. Goodnight

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May 14, 2020 at 10:12 p.m.

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Quoting: nilees24

All 32 teams would take Carey Price at that 5.25 mill AAV. For this trade (Price for Francouz and Girard), Habs don't take any cap retention. Sakic would jump on that real quick.

Sakic wouldn't trade girard for price straight up with retention. Goalies have crappy trade value to begin with, let alone goalies with the worst contract in nhl history

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May 14, 2020 at 10:12 p.m.

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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld

If players and GMs think hes the best, does that make him the best? His highest trade value is this offseason.

May 14, 2020 at 10:13 p.m.

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This is completely divorced from reality

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