I feel like Seattle would probably offer 7x10 in a tax free market. That would be pretty tough to turn down.

When Pietrangelo, a guy with a better league-wide reputation, got 7x8.8? With Francis at the helm? That's questionable.

Who else would be exposed in this scenario? Just curious because if Seattle takes Hamilton, it will be because he signed with them already in the negotiation window. If they can't work out a deal, it's very likely they take somebody else.

Skjei, Gardiner, one of Foegele or Fast, and Fleury. I just think that for Seattle, taking Hamilton's UFA rights has the most chaotic upside even if they fail to sign him.

Can't see a GM like Francis risk taking Hamilton to only lose him with nothing on their hands. Not like a thing he'd do.

He'd probably just settle with taking Skjei for free - and probably signing Hamilton from free agency to booth.

Has this rumor actually been reported anywhere? I’ve just seen this scenario brought up by Canes fans.

Anyway, it’s risky, but ideal if it works out.

Petro was 30 when he signed. Vegas had star power and cap restrictions.

Dougie will be 27 at the time of signing. Seattle will have zero cap restrictions, and a desperate need for star power. Pretty different situations.

But also less of a reputation for the kind of numbers that Petro had been putting up. For big long-term deals, stuff like that matters to teams.

But they wouldn't (or at least shouldn't) be taking his UFA rights. They have the opportunity to sign him prior to the expansion draft. If they can't negotiate a deal before any other suitors are allowed to talk to him, why would they waste their pick on a guy they pretty much know won't be signing with them? If they take Hamilton, he'll be under contract, imo.

It's the upside play relative to the other choices. Maybe Francis thinks that they can convince him in the extra days between the draft and unrestricted free agency. Sure, the expansion draft is going to be loaded with defensemen and shallow on forwards, but none of them are going to be of Dougie's caliber unless they take that risk.

SEA isn’t wasting their pick on a UFA. They’ll take one of the unprotected D. Probly Fleury. And if they want Hamilton they’ll just offer him a contract. You’re over thinking this from SEA’s POV.

You can no longer have a conditional pick based on wether or not a player resigns.

Seems like a ridiculous longshot given that they'll have already made him an offer(s) and been rejected. Makes more sense just to select someone else at that point, imo.

That's not what I'm talking about. I'm saying that if Hamilton fails to sign and returns to Carolina, that Seattle and Carolina make a separate deal for Skjei.

You definitely wont get a 2nd out of Seattle taking Skjei, might even have to pay for them not to take Fleury.

You don't understand this scenario, though. This is about Francis swinging and whiffing on Hamilton at the expansion draft. My Skjei trade proposal was AFTER the draft.

Seattle does have the allotted time prior to the expansion draft to talk to teams’ ufas. As I understand it, if they reach a deal with another teams’ ufa prior to the expansion draft (the key thing being signing the player before the draft) then the team they poached the ufa from would have said ufa count as their player lost to the expansion draft. At least that’s how I understand it...could very well be wrong...

I’d assume if they can’t reach a deal with a ufa, let’s say Hamilton for example, then they still would be able to pick an exposed player from the CAR roster on 7/21/21. The Canes would then have from 7/22 to 7/28 to try to re-sign Hamilton before all 31 other teams could make a pitch.

Unrealistic, he won't take Dougie unless he thinks there's a good chance at extension

agree, I’d think Francis would take Fleury in this scenario, maybe Skjei if his cap is needed to hit the cap floor

This. Ppl playing 4Dchess when the last expansion draft had some real safe picks and only 1 UFA taken in expansion that was living in Vegas already. UFA expansion picks aren't a thing. If Dougie is planning on staying in Carolina then the Canes will work out a deal with Seattle.

No way in hell Seattle takes Dougie and he doesn't sign in Seattle as the Kraken would have had assurances. Its like ppl dont believe that Gms talk to each other before planning moves. LOL This is a boys club and they all protect themselves ie RFA offer sheets not being a thing!

Or fleury

Wouldn't take him based on this year. He's been bad.

Fair but hes younger and a lot cheaper

Cheaper, but only 1,5 years younger and somewhat worse.

Ok then! Carry on.