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Jun. 2, 2021 at 12:17 p.m.
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Quoting: rangersandislesfan
What I think aadoyle is saying, though, is that if you trade some of the core, it might mean Leafs fans need to be even more patient.


Not trading them all and not for an ol'- bag-o-chips.
Make a hockey trade ffs - a good guy goes out (he just sucks in the playoffs/needs a change) for a good guy or two back...
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Jun. 2, 2021 at 12:38 p.m.
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Value here is not determined by value to the team but value if there was a fantasy draft happening


Well then Price definitely should be there, even though he's been shaky in the regular season he's still Carey Price
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Jun. 2, 2021 at 12:40 p.m.
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Quoting: McGruff
Not trading them all and not for an ol'- bag-o-chips.
Make a hockey trade ffs - a good guy goes out (he just sucks in the playoffs/needs a change) for a good guy or two back...


I'm just saying that if people really want them to win "now", trading those guys might not be a good idea ... it depends what they get offered. We can't judge whether or not they "should" be traded or not because we have no idea what they're going to get for him.

Sure, we can say "if they get this offer then trade him", but there could be people complaining at the end of the offseason saying, "Why didn't you trade this guy?" when maybe they just didn't get a good enough offer, and had they taken the deal, people would be complaining, saying it was a terrible trade.
Jun. 2, 2021 at 12:42 p.m.
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I went through a picked the top 6 most valuable players from each team ordered from most valuable to least. Did this pretty quick so what do you think who did I miss, what orders are wrong?

ANA
Zegras
Drysdale
Gibson
Rakell
Comtois
Terry
ARI
Chychrun
Garland
Keller
Dvorak
Hayton
Soderstrom
BOS
Pastrnak
McAvoy
Marchand
Carlo
Debrusk
Ritchie/Bergeron
BUF
Eichel
Dahlin
Cozens
Reinhart
Jokiharju
Ollofson
CGY
Tkachuk
Lindholm
Gaudreau
Monohan
Hanifin
Andersson
CAR
Aho
Svechnikov
Slavin
Necas
Hamilton
Pesce
Teräväinen
Nedeljkovic
CHI
Kane
Dach
Debrincat
Boqvist
Reichel
Kurashev/ Kubalik
COL
Mackinnon
Makar
Landeskog
Rantenan
Girard
Byram
CBJ
Werenski
Jones
Laine
Bjorkstrand
Roslovic
Merzlinkins
DAL
Heiskanen
Hintz
Robertson
Gurianov
Seguin
Harley
DET
Larkin
Raymond
Seider
Vrana
Zadina
Hronek
EDM
McDavid
Draisaitl
Nurse
Nugent-Hopkins
Puljujärvi
Yamamoto
FLA
Barkov
Huberdeau
Ekblad
Knight
Lundell
Bennett
LAK
Byfield
Kopitar
Turcotte
Vilardi
Doughty
Kupari
MIN
Kaprizov
Fiala
Eriksson Ek
Rossi
Boldy
Addison
MTL
Suzuki
Caufield
Romanov
Kotkaniemi
Anderson
NSH
Josi
Forsberg
Saros
Ellis
Tolvanen
Fabbro
NJD
Hughes
Hischier
Smith
Holtz
Blackwood
Bratt
NYI
Barzal
Beauvillier
Wahlstrom
Dobson
Pulock
Sorokin
NYR
Panarin
Lafreníere
Fox
Kakko
Zibanajed
K'Andre
OTT
Tkachuk
Chabot
Stüetzle
Norris
Sanderson
Brannstrom
PHI
Farabee
Provorov
Couturier
Konecny
Hart
York
PIT
Crosby
Guentzel
Malkin
Kapanen
Marino
Poulin
SJS
Hertl
Meier
Lebanc
Weisblatt
Ferraro
Leonard
STL
O'Reilly
Parayko
Kyrou
Thomas
Perron
Dunn
TBL
Kucherov
Point
Hedman
Vasilevsky
Stamkos
Cirelli
TOR
Matthews
Marner
Nylander
Tavares
Robertson
Sandin/Reilly
VAN
Petterson
Hughes
Horvat
Boeser
Miller
Hoglander
VGK
Stone
Theodore
Pietrangelo
Pacioretty
Krebs
Tuch
WSH
Ovechkin
Backstrom
Carlson
Oshie
McMichael
Samsonov
WPG
Hellebuyck
Scheifele
Connor
Ehlers
Dubois
Perfetti


By the way, there's 8 Carolina players and 5 Montreal players ... maybe there's a reason for that that I'm missing, or maybe it was a mistake, idk
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Jun. 2, 2021 at 1:18 p.m.
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Quoting: BuFfaLOFaN
I went through a picked the top 6 most valuable players from each team ordered from most valuable to least. Did this pretty quick so what do you think who did I miss, what orders are wrong?

MTL
Suzuki
Caufield
Romanov
Kotkaniemi
Anderson


I’m assuming this is in terms of trade value. I’d put KK ahead of Romanov, but that’s just nitpicking. I’d also put Toffoli, Gallagher, Petry, and Price ahead of Anderson. I’d say:

1. Suzuki
2. Caufield
3. Kotkaniemi
4. Toffoli
5. Petry
6. Price
7. Gallagher

Toffoli gets the edge over the others because he’s making just over $4 million and scored at a 44 goal pace this year. Jeff Petry is a #1D on a great contract and Gallagher is the heart of the team. Price is making a lot of money, but he’s our franchise goalie and he’s worth every penny. He would be higher on the list, but I understand that goalies don’t have as much trade value as they should.
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Jun. 2, 2021 at 1:26 p.m.
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2nd round predictions:

Peg in 5

Avs in 6

Bruins in 7

Bolts in 4
Jun. 2, 2021 at 1:28 p.m.
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Quoting: BuFfaLOFaN
Before each series this is my predictions
Colorado in 5
(Bold Prediction: Mackinnon will outscore the whole Vegas team)
Tampa over Carolina in 6
(Bold Prediction: Vasilevskiy will have 3 shutouts in 3/4 of their wins.)
Boston in 6
Habs in 6


Mine were:

Avs in 6
Canes in 7
Isles in 6
Habs in 6
Jun. 2, 2021 at 1:29 p.m.
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Vezina and Ted Lindsay have disrespected Saros already.... Hart will surely follow and if anything else could disrespect him I’m sure it would jump at the chance
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Jun. 2, 2021 at 1:29 p.m.
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Quoting: DougieGilmour
2nd round predictions:

Peg in 5

Avs in 6

Bruins in 7

Bolts in 4


Oh come on don't do us dirty like that.
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Jun. 2, 2021 at 1:48 p.m.
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Meh, it was a fine swing at the time. Hindsight is 20/20, but most people were pretty thrilled with that pick. One of the worst draft pick announcements of all time, though.

"Tronna proud to 'nounce, from Sweden, Timith Linagrin"


I have a feeling Liligren is graduating and its gonna be very interesting to see him. He looked good with a bad marlies team and honestly has put on some size and has been more of a physical presence. I would love to see him and Sandin on the pp as I have been preaching Dman should be tried on a leafs pp as many other teams have showed it works
Jun. 2, 2021 at 1:54 p.m.
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Matthews talking about Leafs Fans saying Marner should be traded is SAVAGE

Jun. 2, 2021 at 2:04 p.m.
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Quoting: MitchMarner_16
Matthews talking about Leafs Fans saying Marner should be traded is SAVAGE



he can't say anything other than the politically correct answer, which he did.

Come on man, this is basic
Jun. 2, 2021 at 2:08 p.m.
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I hate the Leafs fans who are like «tRuE fAnS sTiCk WiTh ThEiR tEaM aNd FaNs WhO wAnT dRaStIc ChAnGeS aRe NoT tRuE fAnS»

So just because people are «fans» means they can't criticize anything????

That's the dumbest thing ever. Criticizing overrated players who didn't show up (yet again) doesn't make you a fake fan
Jun. 2, 2021 at 2:11 p.m.
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
I hate the Leafs fans who are like «tRuE fAnS sTiCk WiTh ThEiR tEaM aNd FaNs WhO wAnT dRaStIc ChAnGeS aRe NoT tRuE fAnS»

So just because people are «fans» means they can't criticize anything????

That's the dumbest thing ever. Criticizing overrated players who didn't show up (yet again) doesn't make you a fake fan


I hate habs fans who think that because you criticize Price you aren't actually a Habs fan
Jun. 2, 2021 at 2:13 p.m.
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
I hate the Leafs fans who are like «tRuE fAnS sTiCk WiTh ThEiR tEaM aNd FaNs WhO wAnT dRaStIc ChAnGeS aRe NoT tRuE fAnS»

So just because people are «fans» means they can't criticize anything????

That's the dumbest thing ever. Criticizing overrated players who didn't show up (yet again) doesn't make you a fake fan


Large sects of the Oilers fanbase *AND MEDIA* have this opinion too. I simply chalk it up to stupidity and the inability to form their own thoughts. The media here are outright shills at best. I'm with my team ride-or-die but I'm under no obligation to celebrate mediocrity or archaic mindsets. If anything, fans that are critical of their team probably care more.
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Jun. 2, 2021 at 2:21 p.m.
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Two words: David Aryes.
Jun. 2, 2021 at 2:25 p.m.
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Edited Jun. 2, 2021 at 2:32 p.m.
Quoting: rangersandislesfan
I'm just saying that if people really want them to win "now", trading those guys might not be a good idea ... it depends what they get offered. We can't judge whether or not they "should" be traded or not because we have no idea what they're going to get for him.

Sure, we can say "if they get this offer then trade him", but there could be people complaining at the end of the offseason saying, "Why didn't you trade this guy?" when maybe they just didn't get a good enough offer, and had they taken the deal, people would be complaining, saying it was a terrible trade.


It's a business - right now business is not good.
GMs job is too build a winning club.
Leafs just aren't that club - plain and simple.

12UFAs & 1RFA signal a huge roster turnover without trading core - but little money in the till to improve the lot by UFAs-alone.
I'm in the "Dubas is out of his league camp" - I look elsewhere If I'm the owner...
Jun. 2, 2021 at 2:30 p.m.
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Quoting: Dzinger18
Oh come on don't do us dirty like that.


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Matthews talking about Leafs Fans saying Marner should be traded is SAVAGE



What was “savage”?
Jun. 2, 2021 at 2:31 p.m.
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
I hate the Leafs fans who are like «tRuE fAnS sTiCk WiTh ThEiR tEaM aNd FaNs WhO wAnT dRaStIc ChAnGeS aRe NoT tRuE fAnS»

So just because people are «fans» means they can't criticize anything????

That's the dumbest thing ever. Criticizing overrated players who didn't show up (yet again) doesn't make you a fake fan


I went to my first game in 1975. Anyone who wants to call me a fake fan can bring out their ticket stubs and compare
Jun. 2, 2021 at 2:35 p.m.
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What was “savage”?


Idk I found it funny that he was like “you have fun with that
Jun. 2, 2021 at 2:36 p.m.
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Quoting: DougieGilmour
What was “savage”?



Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
he can't say anything other than the politically correct answer, which he did.

Come on man, this is basic


Not rly tho. He knows Marner won’t be traded and that media is making a scene, so he just tells them to have fun with something they know and everyone knows won’t happen.

I found it funny that he didn’t feed into it at all or let it get in his or anyone else’s head
Jun. 2, 2021 at 2:40 p.m.
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Well then Price definitely should be there, even though he's been shaky in the regular season he's still Carey Price


I meant to have him 4th, that's why MTL only has 5 lol
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Jun. 2, 2021 at 2:40 p.m.
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Not rly tho. He knows Marner won’t be traded and that media is making a scene, so he just tells them to have fun with something they know and everyone knows won’t happen.

I found it funny that he didn’t feed into it at all or let it get in his or anyone else’s head


That’s what any hockey player should say when asked about a teammate. Standard procedure
Jun. 2, 2021 at 2:41 p.m.
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That’s what any hockey player should say when asked about a teammate. Standard procedure


I guess so, just liked the delivery of it as well, seemed pretty dismissive
Jun. 2, 2021 at 2:47 p.m.
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Quoting: rangersandislesfan
By the way, there's 8 Carolina players and 5 Montreal players ... maybe there's a reason for that that I'm missing, or maybe it was a mistake, idk


Mistake for Montreal, I had Price 4th

Carolina I couldn't figure out which 2 that I should remove
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