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Aug. 12, 2021 at 10:40 a.m.
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Aug. 12, 2021 at 10:47 a.m.
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Aug. 12, 2021 at 10:50 a.m.
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
The best contract from every team, IMO, ELC excluded:

Anaheim: Hampus Lindholm. If they wanted to sell him, his pretty cheap contract could guarantee a great return
Arizona: Chychrun. Their best player and IMO the most underrated LD-man in the entire league
Boston: Pasta, one of the 3 best goal scorers in the league and he doesn't even have a 7M AAV. McAvoy is a close 2nd but Pasta's term gave him this title
Buffalo: not a lot of choices but Victor Olofsson, just because
Calgary: Rasmus Andersson. A strong top 4 d-man locked up long term at not even 5M per
Carolina: Jaccob Slavin. Dude's an elite shutdown d-man and he doesn't even have a 6M AAV
Chicago: Dominik Kubalik, a very good goal scorer at not even 4M
Colorado: only one good answer here: Nathan MacKinnon, one of the 3 best players in the league (hot take but I'd rather have him that McDavid) and he doesn't even have a 7M AAV
Columbus: not a lot of choices but I gotta go with Jack Roslovic. Established himself as a top sixer while being a cheap player
Dallas: here I gotta go with Hintz. The most underrated center in the league IMO and still has 2 more seasons at not even 4M per
Detroit: Ned. Sorry Dzinger18
Edmonton: none
Florida: got to be Ekblad, one of the most underrated players in the league, locked up long term and not even 8M per.
LA: not a lot of choices but I like the Iafallo one
Minnesota: Joel Eriksson Ek. One of the most underrated centers in the league, a swiss army knife and someone I compare to Sean Couturier.
Montreal: Tyler Toffoli. Goes without saying
Nashville: not a lot of choices but Ekholm. Strong shutdown number 2-3 d-man who isn't even paid 4M
NJD: MacKenzie Blackwood, a very good young goalie who isn't paid much
NYI: not a lot of choices but Barzal
NYR: Igor. A soon to be elite starter locked up.
Ottawa: could become Tkachuk but right now it's Chabot. He really doesn't get the credit he deserves and is locked up forever.
Philly: come one, it's gotta be Sean Couturier
Pittsburgh: for me it's Sid. Still a beast in his mid 30s and showing 0 signs of decline
SJ: uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... sorry dear yikes but I can't come up with anything here... Hertl maybe? Then again, it's not a massive bargain like Couturier and he doesn't have term left
STL: ROR. That's it. That's the argument.
TB: Cirelli, such a great 2C who can do it all and still a decent term left at not even 5M
Toronto: gotta be Nylander. One of the only ones who showed up against MTL
Vancouver: uhhhhhhhhhhhh... Horvat? Garland? Demko? Take your pick...
Washington: Idk, no good choices here
Winnipeg: Nikolaj Ehlers, IMO their best skater


If you did count ELC it’s Knyzhov or Ferraro
Other than that;

Reimer Bonino are on great deals.

Hertl you could say is as well but not a steal.
Aug. 12, 2021 at 10:59 a.m.
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GOAT
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Aug. 12, 2021 at 11:03 a.m.
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
The best contract from every team, IMO, ELC excluded:

Anaheim: Hampus Lindholm. If they wanted to sell him, his pretty cheap contract could guarantee a great return
Arizona: Chychrun. Their best player and IMO the most underrated LD-man in the entire league
Boston: Pasta, one of the 3 best goal scorers in the league and he doesn't even have a 7M AAV. McAvoy is a close 2nd but Pasta's term gave him this title
Buffalo: not a lot of choices but Victor Olofsson, just because
Calgary: Rasmus Andersson. A strong top 4 d-man locked up long term at not even 5M per
Carolina: Jaccob Slavin. Dude's an elite shutdown d-man and he doesn't even have a 6M AAV
Chicago: Dominik Kubalik, a very good goal scorer at not even 4M
Colorado: only one good answer here: Nathan MacKinnon, one of the 3 best players in the league (hot take but I'd rather have him that McDavid) and he doesn't even have a 7M AAV
Columbus: not a lot of choices but I gotta go with Jack Roslovic. Established himself as a top sixer while being a cheap player
Dallas: here I gotta go with Hintz. The most underrated center in the league IMO and still has 2 more seasons at not even 4M per
Detroit: Ned. Sorry Dzinger18
Edmonton: none
Florida: got to be Ekblad, one of the most underrated players in the league, locked up long term and not even 8M per.
LA: not a lot of choices but I like the Iafallo one
Minnesota: Joel Eriksson Ek. One of the most underrated centers in the league, a swiss army knife and someone I compare to Sean Couturier.
Montreal: Tyler Toffoli. Goes without saying
Nashville: not a lot of choices but Ekholm. Strong shutdown number 2-3 d-man who isn't even paid 4M
NJD: MacKenzie Blackwood, a very good young goalie who isn't paid much
NYI: not a lot of choices but Barzal
NYR: Igor. A soon to be elite starter locked up.
Ottawa: could become Tkachuk but right now it's Chabot. He really doesn't get the credit he deserves and is locked up forever.
Philly: come one, it's gotta be Sean Couturier
Pittsburgh: for me it's Sid. Still a beast in his mid 30s and showing 0 signs of decline
SJ: uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... sorry dear yikes but I can't come up with anything here... Hertl maybe? Then again, it's not a massive bargain like Couturier and he doesn't have term left
STL: ROR. That's it. That's the argument.
TB: Cirelli, such a great 2C who can do it all and still a decent term left at not even 5M
Toronto: gotta be Nylander. One of the only ones who showed up against MTL
Vancouver: uhhhhhhhhhhhh... Horvat? Garland? Demko? Take your pick...
Washington: Idk, no good choices here
Winnipeg: Nikolaj Ehlers, IMO their best skater

I think Calgary has a few contracts better than Andersson’s, his is definitely a steal but Lindholm, Mangiapane, and Hanifin all contribute more per dollar of their contracts imo.
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Aug. 12, 2021 at 11:11 a.m.
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GOAT


Happy Birthday to the GOAT goalie who got snubbed of the Vezina... and Hart.
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Aug. 12, 2021 at 11:15 a.m.
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According to the contract efficiency models, it costs Colorado $3.63M per win (1st place), and it costs San José $4.92M per win (32nd place).
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Aug. 12, 2021 at 11:19 a.m.
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Quoting: SevenLeg
I agree with most of your picks, though some of my personal preferences are:

CGY - Lindholm
FLA - Huberdeau but Ekblad also makes sense
LAK - Kempe or Petersen
TBL - Hedman


Quoting: SevenLeg
I agree with most of your picks, though some of my personal preferences are:

CGY - Lindholm
FLA - Huberdeau but Ekblad also makes sense
LAK - Kempe or Petersen
TBL - Hedman


I’d argue Weegar for Florida
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Aug. 12, 2021 at 11:30 a.m.
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Why does the Saudia Airlines logo look like the Sabres playing in Florida?


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The no team (Buffalo) vs no fans (Florida) logo.


😂😂😂
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Aug. 12, 2021 at 11:32 a.m.
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GOAT


Yeah, he’s the GOAT, who’s Wayne Gretzky? I’ve never heard of him
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Aug. 12, 2021 at 11:39 a.m.
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Each team' best and worst contracts in terms of projected surplus value provided in $ for the remainder of the contract: **ELCs and goalies excluded**

COL - C. Makar +$44.2M // E. Johnson -$7.9M
FLA - C. Verhaeghe +$21.1M // S. Bennett -$6.6M
TOR - A. Matthews +$17.7M // D. Kampf -$5.1M
BOS - B. Marchand +$27.7M // C. Coyle -$23.5M
VGK - S. Theodore +$31.7M // A. Pietrangelo -$14.9M
TBL - N. Kucherov +$17.5M // R. McDonagh -$11.8M
CAR - B. Pesce +$9.0M // B. Skjei -$14.4M
SEA - C. Soucy +$4.7M // A. Larsson -$10.6M
PIT - J. Guentzel +$13.6M // M. Matheson -$12.7M
NYI - A. Pelech +$12.8M // J. Pageau -$9.3M
NJD - D. Hamilton +$18.8M // P. Subban -$7.8M
CGY - E. Lindholm +$7.9M // M. Lucic -$8.5M
EDM - C. McDavid +$38.6M // D. Nurse -$40.9M
MIN - J. Eriksson Ek +$9.0M // J. Brodin -$6.1M
DET - T. Bertuzzi +$2.1M // F. Nielsen -$6.0M
WSH -J. Carlson +$6.0M // A. Ovechkin -$15.6M
PHI - S. Couturier +$5.0M // K. Hayes -$17.2M
DAL - R. Hintz +$12.5M // T. Seguin -$28.6M
MTL - B. Gallagher +$9.1M // J. Anderson -$19.1M
STL - P. Buchnevich +$4.9M // J. Faulk -$22.9M
NYR - R. Lindgren +$8.2M // J. Trouba -$20.7M
ANA - T. Terry +$3.8M // C. Fowler -$17.4M
VAN - C. Garland +$12.3M // O. Ekman-Larsson -$41.5M
ARI - J. Chychrun +$16.5M // C. Keller -$10.8M
WPG - N. Ehlers +$11.0M // J. Morrissey -$37.2M
CHI - A. DeBrincat +$5.2M // S. Jones -$58.5M
OTT - V. Mete +$2.3M // N. Zaitsev -$14.7M
CBJ - J. Roslovic +$2.1M // Z. Werenski -$25.8M
BUF - M. Pysyk +$2.1M // J. Skinner -$41.4M
NSH - M. Ekholm +$2.4M // R. Johansen -$24.2M
LAK - V. Arvidsson +$1.6M // D. Doughty -$51.0M
SJS - T. Hertl +$4.2M // E. Karlsson -$48.2M
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Aug. 12, 2021 at 12:52 p.m.
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Does anybody have an athletic subscription?
Wondering what Corey Pronmans top 24 was for the 2022 draft
Aug. 12, 2021 at 12:56 p.m.
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didnt I say this was gonna happen yesterday lul and for 950k to LUL
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didnt I say this was gonna happen yesterday lul and for 950k to LUL


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Aug. 12, 2021 at 1:16 p.m.
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Each team' best and worst contracts in terms of projected surplus value provided in $ for the remainder of the contract: **ELCs and goalies excluded**

COL - C. Makar +$44.2M // E. Johnson -$7.9M
FLA - C. Verhaeghe +$21.1M // S. Bennett -$6.6M
TOR - A. Matthews +$17.7M // D. Kampf -$5.1M
BOS - B. Marchand +$27.7M // C. Coyle -$23.5M
VGK - S. Theodore +$31.7M // A. Pietrangelo -$14.9M
TBL - N. Kucherov +$17.5M // R. McDonagh -$11.8M
CAR - B. Pesce +$9.0M // B. Skjei -$14.4M
SEA - C. Soucy +$4.7M // A. Larsson -$10.6M
PIT - J. Guentzel +$13.6M // M. Matheson -$12.7M
NYI - A. Pelech +$12.8M // J. Pageau -$9.3M
NJD - D. Hamilton +$18.8M // P. Subban -$7.8M
CGY - E. Lindholm +$7.9M // M. Lucic -$8.5M
EDM - C. McDavid +$38.6M // D. Nurse -$40.9M
MIN - J. Eriksson Ek +$9.0M // J. Brodin -$6.1M
DET - T. Bertuzzi +$2.1M // F. Nielsen -$6.0M
WSH -J. Carlson +$6.0M // A. Ovechkin -$15.6M
PHI - S. Couturier +$5.0M // K. Hayes -$17.2M
DAL - R. Hintz +$12.5M // T. Seguin -$28.6M
MTL - B. Gallagher +$9.1M // J. Anderson -$19.1M
STL - P. Buchnevich +$4.9M // J. Faulk -$22.9M
NYR - R. Lindgren +$8.2M // J. Trouba -$20.7M
ANA - T. Terry +$3.8M // C. Fowler -$17.4M
VAN - C. Garland +$12.3M // O. Ekman-Larsson -$41.5M
ARI - J. Chychrun +$16.5M // C. Keller -$10.8M
WPG - N. Ehlers +$11.0M // J. Morrissey -$37.2M
CHI - A. DeBrincat +$5.2M // S. Jones -$58.5M
OTT - V. Mete +$2.3M // N. Zaitsev -$14.7M
CBJ - J. Roslovic +$2.1M // Z. Werenski -$25.8M
BUF - M. Pysyk +$2.1M // J. Skinner -$41.4M
NSH - M. Ekholm +$2.4M // R. Johansen -$24.2M
LAK - V. Arvidsson +$1.6M // D. Doughty -$51.0M
SJS - T. Hertl +$4.2M // E. Karlsson -$48.2M

I have a hard time believing Verhaeghe is gonna be worth 22.1mil next year lol
Aug. 12, 2021 at 1:26 p.m.
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I have a hard time believing Verhaeghe is gonna be worth 22.1mil next year lol


That’s not what that means, it means per projections he should’ve been paid 22.1 mil more over then length of his contract
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Aug. 12, 2021 at 1:47 p.m.
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Quoting: Alfie11
I have a hard time believing Verhaeghe is gonna be worth 22.1mil next year lol


Quoting: A_Habs_fan
That’s not what that means, it means per projections he should’ve been paid 22.1 mil more over then length of his contract


It includes the final year of his current contract. Over the next four years, he'd be worth $8 675 000 AAV, which is still a lot, but even Dom admitted that Verhaeghe broke his model lol.
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Aug. 12, 2021 at 1:54 p.m.
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Quoting: SevenLeg
Each team' best and worst contracts in terms of projected surplus value provided in $ for the remainder of the contract: **ELCs and goalies excluded**

COL - C. Makar +$44.2M // E. Johnson -$7.9M
FLA - C. Verhaeghe +$21.1M // S. Bennett -$6.6M
TOR - A. Matthews +$17.7M // D. Kampf -$5.1M
BOS - B. Marchand +$27.7M // C. Coyle -$23.5M
VGK - S. Theodore +$31.7M // A. Pietrangelo -$14.9M
TBL - N. Kucherov +$17.5M // R. McDonagh -$11.8M
CAR - B. Pesce +$9.0M // B. Skjei -$14.4M
SEA - C. Soucy +$4.7M // A. Larsson -$10.6M
PIT - J. Guentzel +$13.6M // M. Matheson -$12.7M
NYI - A. Pelech +$12.8M // J. Pageau -$9.3M
NJD - D. Hamilton +$18.8M // P. Subban -$7.8M
CGY - E. Lindholm +$7.9M // M. Lucic -$8.5M
EDM - C. McDavid +$38.6M // D. Nurse -$40.9M
MIN - J. Eriksson Ek +$9.0M // J. Brodin -$6.1M
DET - T. Bertuzzi +$2.1M // F. Nielsen -$6.0M
WSH -J. Carlson +$6.0M // A. Ovechkin -$15.6M
PHI - S. Couturier +$5.0M // K. Hayes -$17.2M
DAL - R. Hintz +$12.5M // T. Seguin -$28.6M
MTL - B. Gallagher +$9.1M // J. Anderson -$19.1M
STL - P. Buchnevich +$4.9M // J. Faulk -$22.9M
NYR - R. Lindgren +$8.2M // J. Trouba -$20.7M
ANA - T. Terry +$3.8M // C. Fowler -$17.4M
VAN - C. Garland +$12.3M // O. Ekman-Larsson -$41.5M
ARI - J. Chychrun +$16.5M // C. Keller -$10.8M
WPG - N. Ehlers +$11.0M // J. Morrissey -$37.2M
CHI - A. DeBrincat +$5.2M // S. Jones -$58.5M
OTT - V. Mete +$2.3M // N. Zaitsev -$14.7M
CBJ - J. Roslovic +$2.1M // Z. Werenski -$25.8M
BUF - M. Pysyk +$2.1M // J. Skinner -$41.4M
NSH - M. Ekholm +$2.4M // R. Johansen -$24.2M
LAK - V. Arvidsson +$1.6M // D. Doughty -$51.0M
SJS - T. Hertl +$4.2M // E. Karlsson -$48.2M


Who's #2 on the Devils? For best and worst?
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Aug. 12, 2021 at 2:03 p.m.
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Quoting: Devil1122
Who's #2 on the Devils? For best and worst?


2nd best is Tatar, and the Devils are the only team to have their two best contracts come via free agency.
2nd worst is Hischier grimace Definitely has a lot to do with him not being 100% last season. When he bounces back, it's likely going to be Johnsson
Aug. 12, 2021 at 2:12 p.m.
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Quoting: SevenLeg
2nd best is Tatar, and the Devils are the only team to have their two best contracts come via free agency.
2nd worst is Hischier grimace Definitely has a lot to do with him not being 100% last season. When he bounces back, it's likely going to be Johnsson


Hey, I’m assuming you have an athletic subscription because you’ve seen all this. Can you do me a favor? Who’s on Pronmans top 24 draft board? He’s usually a good prospects guy, I think at least and was wondering about his draft rankings as I’ve seen very minimal amounts of draft rankings for 2022
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Quoting: SevenLeg
2nd best is Tatar, and the Devils are the only team to have their two best contracts come via free agency.
2nd worst is Hischier grimace Definitely has a lot to do with him not being 100% last season. When he bounces back, it's likely going to be Johnsson


Yeah I agree. Nico came back during the Devils 9 game losing streak which brought his stats down.
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Hey, I’m assuming you have an athletic subscription because you’ve seen all this. Can you do me a favor? Who’s on Pronmans top 24 draft board? He’s usually a good prospects guy, I think at least and was wondering about his draft rankings as I’ve seen very minimal amounts of draft rankings for 2022


Yeah, I gamble a lot on Hockey and I'm basing myself a lot on analytics, so I'm splitting the subscription with a couple of family members.

TIER 1: Bubble elite NHL player/NHL All-Star
1. Shane Wright, C, Kingston-OHL

TIER 2: Bubble All-Star/Top of lineup player
2. Ivan Miroshnichenko, LW, Omsk-MHL
3. Danila Yurov, RW, Magnitogorsk-KHL

TIER 3: Top of the lineup players
4. Brad Lambert, C, JYP-Liiga
5. David Jiricek, RHD, Plzen-Czech Extraliga
6. Juraj Slafkovsky, LW, TPS-Finland Jr.
7. Matthew Savoie, C, Dubuque-USHL
8. Conor Geekie, C, Winnipeg-WHL
9. Logan Cooley, C, U.S. NTDP-USHL

TIER 4: Bubble top and middle of the lineup players
10. Simon Nemec, RHD, Nitra-Slovakia
11. Isaac Howard, LW, U.S. NTDP-USHL
12. Tristan Luneau, RHD, Gatineau-QMJHL
13. Elias Salomonsson, RHD, Skelleftea-Sweden J20
14. Lane Hutson, LHD, U.S. NTDP-USHL

TIER 5: Middle of the lineup players and starting goaltender
15. Nathan Gaucher, C, Quebec-QMJHL
16. Joakim Kemell, RW, JYP-Finland Jr.
17. Ryan Chesley, RHD, U.S. NTDP-USHL
18. Frank Nazar, C, U.S. NTDP-USHL
19. Jack Hughes, C, U.S. NTDP-USHL
20. Denton Mateychuk, LHD, Moose Jaw-WHL
21. Miko Matikka, RW, Jokerit-Finland Jr.
22. Mattias Havelid, RHD, Linkoping-Sweden J20
23. Tyler Brennan, G, Prince George-WHL
24. Danny Zhilkin, LW, Guelph-OHL
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Aug. 12, 2021 at 2:18 p.m.
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Yeah, I gamble a lot on Hockey and I'm basing myself a lot on analytics, so I'm splitting the subscription with a couple of family members.

TIER 1: Bubble elite NHL player/NHL All-Star
1. Shane Wright, C, Kingston-OHL

TIER 2: Bubble All-Star/Top of lineup player
2. Ivan Miroshnichenko, LW, Omsk-MHL
3. Danila Yurov, RW, Magnitogorsk-KHL

TIER 3: Top of the lineup players
4. Brad Lambert, C, JYP-Liiga
5. David Jiricek, RHD, Plzen-Czech Extraliga
6. Juraj Slafkovsky, LW, TPS-Finland Jr.
7. Matthew Savoie, C, Dubuque-USHL
8. Conor Geekie, C, Winnipeg-WHL
9. Logan Cooley, C, U.S. NTDP-USHL

TIER 4: Bubble top and middle of the lineup players
10. Simon Nemec, RHD, Nitra-Slovakia
11. Isaac Howard, LW, U.S. NTDP-USHL
12. Tristan Luneau, RHD, Gatineau-QMJHL
13. Elias Salomonsson, RHD, Skelleftea-Sweden J20
14. Lane Hutson, LHD, U.S. NTDP-USHL

TIER 5: Middle of the lineup players and starting goaltender
15. Nathan Gaucher, C, Quebec-QMJHL
16. Joakim Kemell, RW, JYP-Finland Jr.
17. Ryan Chesley, RHD, U.S. NTDP-USHL
18. Frank Nazar, C, U.S. NTDP-USHL
19. Jack Hughes, C, U.S. NTDP-USHL
20. Denton Mateychuk, LHD, Moose Jaw-WHL
21. Miko Matikka, RW, Jokerit-Finland Jr.
22. Mattias Havelid, RHD, Linkoping-Sweden J20
23. Tyler Brennan, G, Prince George-WHL
24. Danny Zhilkin, LW, Guelph-OHL


Devils are gonna draft Jack Hughes...again
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