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Goalies oilers should target this deadline

Created by: Deaner37
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 18, 2021
Published: Oct. 18, 2021
Team: 2021-22 Edmonton Oilers
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These are the possibilities in net that the oilers could trade for, question is, what would they cost the oilers to give up in futures? Let me know in the comments, me being an oilers fan, I want Gibson from Anaheim, but I feel like he will be ridiculously expensive.
Trades
1.
EDM
  1. Gibson, John
ANA
    2.
    EDM
    1. Korpisalo, Joonas
    CBJ
      3.
      EDM
      1. Khudobin, Anton
      DAL
        4.
        EDM
        1. Greiss, Thomas
        DET
          5.
          EDM
          1. Saros, Juuse
          NSH
            6.
            EDM
            1. Georgiev, Alexandar
            NYR
              7.
              EDM
              1. Jarry, Tristan
              PIT
                Buyouts
                • James Neal: $1,916,667
                • Andrej Sekera: $1,500,000
                Retained Salary Transactions
                • Milan Lucic: $750,000 (13%)
                DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
                2022
                EDM
                EDM
                EDM
                EDM
                EDM
                2023
                EDM
                EDM
                EDM
                EDM
                EDM
                EDM
                EDM
                2024
                EDM
                EDM
                EDM
                EDM
                EDM
                EDM
                EDM
                ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
                30$81,500,000$107,280,301$669,339$907,500-$25,780,301
                Left WingCenterRight Wing
                EDM
                Hyman, Zach
                $5,500,000
                LW, RW
                NMC
                UFA - 7
                EDM
                McDavid, Connor
                $12,500,000
                C
                UFA - 5
                EDM
                Kassian, Zack
                $3,200,000
                RW
                UFA - 3
                EDM
                Foegele, Warren
                $2,750,000
                LW, RW
                UFA - 3
                EDM
                Draisaitl, Leon
                $8,500,000
                C, LW
                UFA - 4
                EDM
                Puljujärvi, Jesse
                $1,175,000
                RW
                RFA - 1
                EDM
                Benson, Tyler
                $750,000
                LW
                RFA - 1
                EDM
                Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan
                $5,125,000
                LW, C
                NMC
                UFA - 8
                EDM
                Yamamoto, Kailer
                $1,175,000
                RW, C
                RFA - 1
                EDM
                Turris, Kyle
                $1,650,000
                C, RW
                UFA - 1
                EDM
                Sceviour, Colton
                $750,000
                RW, C
                UFA - 1
                EDM
                Ryan, Derek
                $1,250,000
                C, RW
                UFA - 2
                EDM
                Perlini, Brendan
                $750,000
                RW, LW
                RFA - 1
                EDM
                McLeod, Ryan
                $834,167
                C
                RFA - 1
                Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
                EDM
                Nurse, Darnell
                $5,600,000
                LD
                UFA - 1
                EDM
                Barrie, Tyson
                $4,500,000
                RD
                UFA - 3
                EDM
                Koskinen, Mikko
                $4,500,000
                G
                NTC
                UFA - 1
                EDM
                Keith, Duncan
                $5,538,462
                LD
                NMC
                UFA - 2
                EDM
                Ceci, Cody
                $3,250,000
                RD
                UFA - 4
                EDM
                Smith, Mike
                $2,200,000
                G
                UFA - 2
                EDM
                Russell, Kris
                $1,250,000
                LD/RD
                UFA - 1
                EDM
                Bouchard, Evan
                $863,333
                RD
                RFA - 2
                ANA
                Gibson, John
                $6,400,000
                G
                NTC
                UFA - 6
                EDM
                Koekkoek, Slater
                $925,000
                LD/RD
                UFA - 2
                CBJ
                Korpisalo, Joonas
                $2,800,000
                G
                UFA - 1
                DAL
                Khudobin, Anton
                $3,333,333
                G
                NTC
                UFA - 2
                DET
                Greiss, Thomas
                $3,600,000
                G
                UFA - 1
                NSH
                Saros, Juuse
                $5,000,000
                G
                UFA - 4
                NYR
                Georgiev, Alexandar
                $2,425,000
                G
                RFA - 1
                PIT
                Jarry, Tristan
                $3,500,000
                G
                UFA - 2
                ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
                EDM
                Shore, Devin
                $850,000
                LW, C, RW
                UFA - 2
                EDM
                Klefbom, Oscar
                $4,167,000
                LD
                NTC
                UFA - 2
                EDM
                Archibald, Josh
                $1,500,000
                RW, LW
                UFA - 1
                EDM
                Stalock, Alex
                $785,000
                G
                UFA - 1

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                Oct. 18, 2021 at 12:42 p.m.
                #1
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                Saros would also be ridiculously expensive.
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                Oct. 18, 2021 at 12:44 p.m.
                #2
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                Greiss for 22 1st
                Oct. 18, 2021 at 12:45 p.m.
                #3
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                Even with Askarov, I'm pretty certain that Saros is still in Nashvilles plan.
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                Oct. 18, 2021 at 12:46 p.m.
                #4
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                Saros is going nowhere.

                Gibson…maybe…but Ducks would have to be overwhelmed.

                Not sure any of the rest are significant upgrades.
                Oct. 18, 2021 at 12:47 p.m.
                #5
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                Greiss is probably the most realistic option available. Maybe Khudobin depending on where Dallas is in the standings and whether Bishop can play at some point (I have no idea what's going on with him, last I heard in September he was expecting to be able to play this season but he's still on LTIR).
                Oct. 18, 2021 at 12:53 p.m.
                #6
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                Thomas Greiss @ $1,800,000 for Edmonton's 2023 3rd round pick, And we've a deal.
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                Oct. 18, 2021 at 1:06 p.m.
                #7
                Lenny7
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                Did this in point form to make it easier...
                -I can't see Pittsburgh moving Jarry without having upgraded already.
                -The ask for Gibby would be overwhelming.
                -Same deal with Saros.
                -Greiss and Doby will likely be available at the deadline if/when the Wings/Stars fall out of the race.
                -Last I read, Korpisalo was hoping to extend in Columbus, but I could see them biting on a deal. Buyer beware with both he and Georgiev though-Both of them have league average or below numbers. Korpisalo's 19/20 playoffs, especially vs. the Leafs, turned him into a much more recognizable name, but his numbers aren't great.
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                Oct. 18, 2021 at 1:26 p.m.
                #8
                Future GM
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                Yamo, 2022 first, Broburg for Saros
                Oct. 18, 2021 at 1:26 p.m.
                #9
                Silentfox1
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                Greiss is the most realistic.
                Oct. 18, 2021 at 1:41 p.m.
                #10
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                Why is it ok to look the other way at the fact Gibson has posted three straight below average seasons actually showing a consistent trend of decline but is signed to a boat load of term and higher cap hit but we can’t seem to dismiss kosk one bad season? Is it possible he’s actually a good goalie who was dealt an impossible task last year?
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                Oct. 18, 2021 at 1:54 p.m.
                #11
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                Of those choices, for short term, Griess and Khudobin are the most realistic. Georgiev would be expensive, as would Gibson and Saros (I'm not sure why anyone would think that Gibson or Saros are available at the moment). I don't think Jarry is available, especially since he's started the year pretty strong (and PIT has cup designs too).

                I wonder how EDM is going to fit a top goalie under the cap.
                Oct. 18, 2021 at 2:15 p.m.
                #12
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                Gibson, Korpisalo and Georgiev would be relegated to the AHL if traded for as they aren't as good as Smith or Koskinen, so those aren't options at all.

                Saros and Jarry aren't available.

                So that leaves just Khudobin and Greiss. Meh.

                Remind me why you're even looking at goaltending? The Oilers duo combined for a .9123 save percentage - only 3 teams did better than that. If anything you should be looking to sort out the defense.
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                Oct. 18, 2021 at 2:29 p.m.
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                Greiss is going to 36 at the TDL I'm not entirely sure he will have much left for the playoffs.
                Oct. 18, 2021 at 2:31 p.m.
                #14
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                Quoting: CD282
                Gibson, Korpisalo and Georgiev would be relegated to the AHL if traded for as they aren't as good as Smith or Koskinen, so those aren't options at all.

                Saros and Jarry aren't available.

                So that leaves just Khudobin and Greiss. Meh.

                Remind me why you're even looking at goaltending? The Oilers duo combined for a .9123 save percentage - only 3 teams did better than that. If anything you should be looking to sort out the defense.


                Gibson, Korpisalo, and Georgiev all have one thing on Smith…. Age. Smith is 39. He’s also the only reason that tandem had a .9123 sv% last season. He put up a Vezina quality season but he’s 39. He’s gonna retire shortly and the floor could fall out on him at anytime. Goalies very rarely put up that kind of quality goaltending at his age.

                Don’t get me wrong they should also be looking at defense but they’ve got the prospects that should fix that long term coming up. I just don’t see a Goalie in their prospects that can a NHL starter in 2 seasons
                Oct. 18, 2021 at 2:33 p.m.
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                Quoting: CD282
                So that leaves just Khudobin and Greiss. Meh.


                I felt the same way when the Wings signed him. I have been pleasantly surprised with his play but I'm not sure he's an up grade from Koskinen.
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                Oct. 18, 2021 at 2:39 p.m.
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                Quoting: herzausstein
                Gibson, Korpisalo, and Georgiev all have one thing on Smith…. Age. Smith is 39. He’s also the only reason that tandem had a .9123 sv% last season. He put up a Vezina quality season but he’s 39. He’s gonna retire shortly and the floor could fall out on him at anytime. Goalies very rarely put up that kind of quality goaltending at his age.

                Gibson, Korpisalo, and Georgiev aren't good goalies though, so their age is irrelevant. If age is the primary factor then the Oilers are set as they can just move their prospects up: Konovalov (23), Skinner (22) and Rodrigue (21) are all younger than the guys you mentioned.

                Quoting: herzausstein
                Don’t get me wrong they should also be looking at defense but they’ve got the prospects that should fix that long term coming up. I just don’t see a Goalie in their prospects that can a NHL starter in 2 seasons

                Both Skinner and Konovalov are quality prospects, and Rodrigue has upside too. Smith is .953 so far this after putting up a fantastic season last year. There's no reason at all to be making trades at this point, so Holland won't be.
                Oct. 21, 2021 at 9:31 a.m.
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                Quoting: CD282
                Gibson, Korpisalo, and Georgiev aren't good goalies though, so their age is irrelevant. If age is the primary factor then the Oilers are set as they can just move their prospects up: Konovalov (23), Skinner (22) and Rodrigue (21) are all younger than the guys you mentioned.


                Both Skinner and Konovalov are quality prospects, and Rodrigue has upside too. Smith is .953 so far this after putting up a fantastic season last year. There's no reason at all to be making trades at this point, so Holland won't be.


                Well one bad game and Smith is down to 0.920. It’s way too early in the season to be heralding sv%. One of those “not good” goalies (Gibson) is sitting at 0.961 sv% after 2 games. Another (Korpisalo) is sitting at 0.953 sv% after 1 game. Outside of last season, Gibson has had a better sv% than Smith in every season from 2016 to now. Smith also has a history of Lower body injuries.

                33 goalies have played 95 games since start 2018-19 season.

                Sv% ranking
                Gibson is 18th - 0.910
                Koskinen is 19th - 0.909
                Smith is 24th - 0.907
                Korpisalo is 30th - 0.902

                Georgiev didn’t play enough in that timeframe but his career sv% is 0.911. Which would put him right there with Gibson and Koskinen.

                Both Georgiev and Gibson are younger and thus more likely to last a couple of years to bridge the gap till your prospects are ready and then you don’t have to follow the great tradition of trial by fire. I guess we will see at the end of the season, but it’s just my opinion that setting your hopes of getting the cup on a 39 year old goalie with a history of injuries and has provided below average goaltending over the past 3 seasons (and that’s even including a near career best season) is not a smart idea while you have several great player in prime years.
                Oct. 21, 2021 at 12:08 p.m.
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                Quoting: herzausstein
                Well one bad game and Smith is down to 0.920. It’s way too early in the season to be heralding sv%. One of those “not good” goalies (Gibson) is sitting at 0.961 sv% after 2 games. Another (Korpisalo) is sitting at 0.953 sv% after 1 game. Outside of last season, Gibson has had a better sv% than Smith in every season from 2016 to now. Smith also has a history of Lower body injuries.

                33 goalies have played 95 games since start 2018-19 season.

                Sv% ranking
                Gibson is 18th - 0.910
                Koskinen is 19th - 0.909
                Smith is 24th - 0.907
                Korpisalo is 30th - 0.902

                Georgiev didn’t play enough in that timeframe but his career sv% is 0.911. Which would put him right there with Gibson and Koskinen.

                Both Georgiev and Gibson are younger and thus more likely to last a couple of years to bridge the gap till your prospects are ready and then you don’t have to follow the great tradition of trial by fire. I guess we will see at the end of the season, but it’s just my opinion that setting your hopes of getting the cup on a 39 year old goalie with a history of injuries and has provided below average goaltending over the past 3 seasons (and that’s even including a near career best season) is not a smart idea while you have several great player in prime years.


                So you're down to 2 or 3 goalies and you're using 3 years data with no context to argue that they're an upgrade. What about their trends? Lets take a look:

                Gibson
                17-18: .926
                18-19: .917
                19-20: .904
                20-21: .903

                Georgiev
                17-18: .918
                18-19: .914
                19-20: .910
                20-21: .905

                Korpisalo
                17-18: .897
                18-19: .897
                19-20: .911
                20-21: .894

                Really poor recent history for all 3 goalies - so much so that if you isolate the past 2 seasons (plus the handful of games so far this year) instead of the past 3 as you did, you come up with vastly different results:

                Smith: .912
                Koskinen: .911
                Georgiev: .907
                Gibson: .905
                Korpisalo: .904

                Yeah, there's nothing to see here. Move along, folks.
                 
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