Pettersson > Allen. Allen hasn't been great this year and Pettersson has been great. Pettersson himself is worth a 1st right now

pit laughs at that offer

if you want petterson its Montreal that has to add not the pens

I'm quite surprised at your answers, statistically Allen's a luxury backup and Petterson's an overpaid top6D. You want a 1st round pick for a 11 points overpaid guy? That's as crazy as MTL fans wanting a 1st and a prosepct for Chiarot. It's just not the value IMO.

Pettersson's never had a full season, he's always injured, his best season ever is 22 points. No one's paying a 1st for that.

Your going based off points. He's ben great defensively and is way better than Allen. He only has 5 wins in the 24 games he's played and has over a 3.00 GAA. Pens aren't gonna trade there (Arguable their best defenseman defensive wise) for a goalie who isnt gonna put up the number we want them to

Kudos on one of the most reasonable Habs sell off threads that I've seen.

My thoughts:
-Kravtsov could make sense for the Rangers trade...I'd like to see them make a move for a longer term LD, but the valuable seems reasonable. Could see them trying for Hampus Lindholm though.
-The only thing I don't like about the Oilers trade is them adding $1.75 mil to their payroll for next year. Would make it tough to upgrade in net, but maybe they're content with Skinner/Smith (I wouldn't be...)
-4th seems fine for Kulak. *MIGHT* be able to squeeze a 3rd, but there's a bunch of LD's on the market.
-Pettersson has actually been solid this year. Matheson might make some sense, and it would be nice to see Pettersson get some more minutes, but I wouldn't go as far as to say that contract is terrible.
-I'd be curious to see what the market for Hoffman actually is...He's always been a near-lock to get close to 30 goals/82 games, but the best offer he could get last offseason was 3 x $4.5...I just can't imagine a ton of teams lining up to take 2 x $4.5 on at this point. Might be someone though.

Armia ≠ offensive depth. NSH declines.

Pettersson is absolutely not worth a 1st, he plays less than 16 minutes per game...that being said, the "Allen is a luxury backup" statement is also something that I'd disagree with. He's been below league average in 4 of the past 5 years. DeSmith has been bad over a small sample this year. Pittsburgh *should* be looking to upgrade, but I've always been curious as to why Habs fans think Allen is actually good?

Armia picked a bad time to fall off a cliff productions wise , 1 goal in 33 games. Sure he played well in the playoffs last year and scored some timely goals but that was then and this is now. He also has 3 more years at 3.4 AAV this also damages his trade value. The Habs might get a 2nd if they retain salary but that is not likely happening, I could see him fetching a 5th rnd pick in return. If he was a pending UFA or 1 year left on his deal they could get more.

For Petterson and a 2 the pens would need you to also take DeSmith, give us Armia, Kulak and possibly Hoffman

I disagree that petterson is better than Allen, how do you even make that comparison? Saying a D man is better than a goalie is like saying a man is better than a woman. They don't compare easily. First off a goalies stats are largely team driven if their team is constantly hemmed in their own end and he faces a barage of shots (like all Montreal goalies this year) then the goalie is going to give up more goals. If the D doesn't clear the front of the net and teams get 2nd and 3rd rebound chances the goalie will give up more goals. If the team gives up a lot of odd man rushes then the goalie will give up more goals. The D man's stats aren't as team oriented though. So there is no comparison really. That being said the trade doesn't make sense for either team. Allen has been outplayed by DeSmith this year and the last thing Montreal needs is another defensive D man. Let's go for something a little more useful, you know maybe like an offensive D man who can carry the puck out of our end. That would be a nice change!

Armia still has 3 years on his contract after this season… why are you talking about him being a free agent?

Either way, NSH has zero interest. Although, a few years ago I would’ve been pretty interested Jarnkrok - Sissons - Armia would’ve been a nice line.

That's a big overpay for Allen. Big.

I'd counter with a 3rd, DeSmith and one of the Pens Goalie prospects. They're all above average prospects... Clang or Blomqvist.

You have Edmonton taking on more cap beyond this season (which they can't afford) and getting worse offensively to take on your 34 year old who has lost a step and who has a toxic contract. Really?

You can't compare a goalie to a D, and Allen had nothing in front of him, there has been some games where MTL weren't even reaching the cap floor because of injuries. That being said, I just feel like PIT would be interested in upgrading DeSmith, he's NOT better than Allen.

Armia, Allen, Anderson and Toffoli stay IMO. Plenty of other pieces to move and you still need players to rebuild with.

That EDM trade makes sense for both team.

I would prefer a 1st to Kratsov incertain attitude and some team will put one on the table for Chiarot.

Petry's great! He's been very solid the last couple years and in the playoffs. Would you say Chichrun's bad because of this season?

I think EDM would consider freeing cap space short term to add for a playoff run. That doesn't mean they would say yes to this, but I think they'd at least consider the idea of being able to add for a playoff push. They can deal with the salary cap next year.

I tried to see NYR's perspective and I don't think they're evaluating their team as "contenders" per say right now, so I don't see them buying for too expensive of a price this trade deadline, but if they can add I think they should.

Thanks for your input! I think that counteroffer makes more sense for PIT than it does for MTL tho... It doesn't really help them at all, neither for the rebuild or the rest of the season.

I think the goalie prospects are exactly what a rebuild team would want, no?

I agree. Thus why I said some team would pay a 1st, but probably not NYR. More like Florida, STL or Washington.

You're right but MTL has Primeau in the system and I don't think they would go out of their way for another goalie prospect, but hey, crazier things have happened!

Gotcha.

Petry is 34 and appears to have lost a step this year. That's a very different thing than Chychrun, who is 23 and not shooting the lights out like he did last year. I'm not super high in Chychrun either - he's not as good as he looked last year and not as bad as he's been this year. But he's 23, his best years are ahead of him and he's making $4.5M. Petry is 34, his best years are behind him and he's making a lot more money. There's no comparison.