Signing Jack Campbell

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Ah yes. Edmonton's solution is to overpay for a goalie that's on the wrong side of 30 and sign him to term?

Campbell isn't worth $6M+

Feb. 10, 2022 at 4:10 p.m.

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Quoting: villenash

NSH isn't paying for Kassian-- but they're not trading for him either way.

How is exchanging one fourth for another "paying for" him?

You guys have 8 forwards under contract plus 2 RFAs plus Glass and Afanasyev next season. I think that it's a lively possibility that you'll pick up a couple of bottom-6 forwards on the trade market.

Feb. 10, 2022 at 4:10 p.m.

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I like Kassian,,,,when he's at his best. But I think his term and $$$ are too much for any (good) to take on. Maybe Arizona takes him for free. Same with Barrie, is he really worth his contract?

I feel sorry for Campbell if he signs that contract. Not for money but I don't see him being worth 6.5m and for his six years. Soon he next whipping boy on the Oilers.

Having Keith retire...will bring cap help for the Oilers.

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Feb. 10, 2022 at 4:14 p.m.

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Tough for the Leafs to come out and match a deal like that to hold onto Campbell. Interesting option for sure, do you think that's the money Campbell will get?

I'm budgeting here more than predicting -- my aim with this construction is to show that it's possible. But this is Campbell's one chance to get a big payday, and I think he'll be able to cash in on his success this year. I think a minimum for him is $5 million for 5 years. Edmonton, Detroit, Chicago and San Jose at the least will be interested in him, and perhaps some Eastern teams, too.

Feb. 10, 2022 at 4:16 p.m.

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why would he sign his life away in edmonton

Feb. 10, 2022 at 4:17 p.m.

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Holland didnt want to give Markstrom that kind of deal. Doubt he does it for Campbell

Literally if he offered Markstrom what Calgary offered he would have chose Edmonton. But Holland was not comfortable giving him 6 years. Its the same with his time in Detroit Mrazek wanted 4mill Holland traded him as he didnt feel comfortable giving him that kind of money.

Maybe Holland is just bad at goalie contracts.

But heres the thing why does Campbell leave the team hes having sucess with to go to a team out of a playoff spot and has a worse Dcore. The last goalie who went chasing money over staying with a competitive team has seen his stats tank (remember Grubauer). Yikes

All indications and comments to me suggest Campbell is probs resigning in Toronto. But dont worry Edmonton will get its goalie from Toronto but it wont be Campbell as Holland will just go trade for Mrazek. Makes sense as hes making under 4mill

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Feb. 10, 2022 at 4:19 p.m.

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I feel sorry for Campbell if he signs that contract. Not for money but I don't see him being worth 6.5m and for his six years. Soon the next whipping boy on the Oilers.

I was looking at Binnington's $6 million for 6 years and trying to adjust for inflation as well as competition for his services, as well as demonstrating that Edmonton will be able to sign him even if they have to pay him a premium. I really suspect he'll get from $5 to $6 million for 5 or 6 years.

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Feb. 10, 2022 at 4:21 p.m.

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Ah yes. Edmonton's solution is to overpay for a goalie that's on the wrong side of 30 and sign him to term?

Campbell isn't worth $6M+

Campbell is absolutely worth $6M. I'd be hesitant to give him 6 years at age 30. But I think $6-6.5M for 3-4 years is just about right.

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Feb. 10, 2022 at 4:23 p.m.

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Campbell is absolutely worth $6M. I'd be hesitant to give him 6 years at age 30. But I think $6-6.5M for 3-4 years is just about right.

I would give him 5-5.5 mill rn. Hes good but recently hes been on a slump. Gru was top 3 in Vezina and got 5.9, Markstrom took Van to round 3 (technically), and Binnington won a cup. Saros type of deal makes the most sense as both guys just started being starters.

Now if he takes us to the semi-finals or heck wins us a cup **** yeah 6mill easy

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Feb. 10, 2022 at 4:24 p.m.

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I wonder if Blues regret giving Binnington six years? He had a great half season and playoff run, then two good seasons. He's fallen off this year (not saying it is his fault)

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Feb. 10, 2022 at 4:26 p.m.

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I wonder if Blues regret giving Binnington six years? He had a great half season and playoff run, then two good seasons. He's fallen off this year (not saying it is his fault)

Probs yeah as look at Husso's numbers...

He basically took over his starting job and hes a UFA

For a guy making 6mill having a 0.901SV is unacceptable

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Feb. 10, 2022 at 4:26 p.m.

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Ah yes. Edmonton's solution is to overpay for a goalie that's on the wrong side of 30 and sign him to term?

Campbell isn't worth $6M+

If you have an alternative suggestion, I'm sure we'd all love to hear it. You think that a goalie who will be on the UFA market along with Campbell, like Francouz or Kuemper, is a better choice? Or that Boston will trade Linus Ullmark to Edmonton? Or that some other starting goalie with term will suddenly magically appear?

Feb. 10, 2022 at 4:28 p.m.

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Campbell is absolutely worth $6M. I'd be hesitant to give him 6 years at age 30. But I think $6-6.5M for 3-4 years is just about right.

Absolutely not. He doesn't have the history of a starter to be worth more than Markstrom. Why is he worth more than what Ullmark got last off-season? Similar stats with similar playing time? Anything more than 4 years x $5M is a drastic overpay just because the Toronto media overhypes him

Feb. 10, 2022 at 4:28 p.m.

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He has just as impressive resume (if not more) than Hellebuyck when he signed his 6-year, $6M+ deal. Campbell's playoff numbers last year were insane. It's not his fault the rest of the Leafs didn't show up for that series.

If Campbell carries the Leafs to the Conference finals or beyond this year, then he's worth even more IMO.

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Feb. 10, 2022 at 4:28 p.m.

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Quoting: tkecanuck341

Campbell is absolutely worth $6M. I'd be hesitant to give him 6 years at age 30. But I think $6-6.5M for 3-4 years is just about right.

Good comp would probably be Markstrom. Hard to find a goalie with those kind of numbers cheaper…

Not referencing you here, but I get a kick out of the “Leafs defence isn’t good” and “Don’t overpay for Campbell” groups…

Campbell has been excellent in Toronto, and if he wants, should get a solid, good termed contract. You’re essentially buying years 1-4, and, given how aging graph predict players declining, stuck with years 5-6

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Feb. 10, 2022 at 4:29 p.m.

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Quoting: aadoyle

Plus, take a look at the last two years of Jonathan Quick's contract. Those six years aren't nearly as onerous if Campbell's getting paid $3 million for them, and it makes a potential buyout much more palatable.

Feb. 10, 2022 at 4:32 p.m.

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Hellebuyck is the perfect comparable. He had about 149 NHL games under his belt, with one standout season as a starter.

Campbell is on pace to be at 140ish NHL games after this season, with one standout season as a starter.

Why does Campbell deserve less than Hellebuyck?

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Feb. 10, 2022 at 4:32 p.m.

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Im just saying if we look at when Markstrom got 6mill x 6 years he took the Canucks to the round 3 (technically) and had 2 previous 50 game seasons. Campbell has not done that yet. This is his first true season as the starter. Hes never played more than 35 games in a starting role and so it makes things tricky. Has he done well so far in the role yes. But we got to tread carefully as look at the Blues. Binnington won a cup got 6mill then fell off a cliff. While Campbell has not done that his numbers have begun to drop. Not saying this will continue but rn I see 5.5mill x 5 years being fair considering many goalies signed for 5-5.9mill.

Like am I saying he cant get 6mill no. What im saying is rn I dont think hes earned it yet. This is the season though to prove it and he has delivered to some degree. Lets just hope this slump does not continue. But still 5.5mill x 5 years aint bad. Would get him more than Ullmark, Saros, and a tad less than Shesterkin whose leading the Vezina vote and is making 5.6mill

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Feb. 10, 2022 at 4:36 p.m.

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In general to me rn Im eyeing a Saros/Shesterkin type of deal

Shesterkin is the fav for the Vezina so it makes 0 sense Campbell to make more unless he takes his team further in the playoffs, wins them a cup, or heck beats him for the trophy. But who knows rn lul

Still 5-6mill range aint bad. Better than 10mill am I right lul.

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Feb. 10, 2022 at 4:40 p.m.

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Look to the trade market. Overspending just creates more cap issues to not be able to further address other areas of weakness (wingers and defenceman).

Tons of options could be available for cheaper and then they can build a more solid team around the goalie to keep it more competitive. But overspending is the worst thing you can do. That contract will come back to bite them in the ass the same way every other overpaid player does.

Feb. 10, 2022 at 4:45 p.m.

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Absolutely terrible comparison of Markstrom for Campbell. Markstrom had 3 seasons of being a full time starting goalie under his belt plus playoff success when he signed that deal. Campbell will only have 1 year of being a starter and maybe 1 year of playoff success. Nothing justifies that comparable except the Toronto media trying to overhype him the same way they overhyped Hyman last off-season.

Feb. 10, 2022 at 4:47 p.m.

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