Simek is a cap dump and to entice ARZ to take him we add Balcers and a 3rd for our 4th we gave them for Pederson. both Simek and Balcers would be solid depth players for ARZ plus they would help fill holes as I expect not to many high profile FA will want to go there to play in front of 4-5k fans each night, plus they will have quite a few holes to fill as I expect Chychrun and a few other higher end players to be dealt for picks and prospects in the off-season.
Meier is not on the trading block, but NJD is close to playoff caliber team with solid prospect depth and a few high end players already in the NHL, but they could use another top line star player and to get a young 30-40 goal potential power forward they pay a lot to entice sharks to deal him.
this would set up NJD well offensively along with the solid defensive pieces they have. if the netminder's can rebound next season this will for sure be a team in the mix for a playoff spot now.
Reimer deal only happens if TOR can’t resign Campbell and get desperate for a cheap 1A/1B guy, and we all know Reimer and Mrazek have played well together in the past. Plus with Mrazek’s rough season I doubt there are many takers on his deal without multiple futures coming with him, better to give him another chance next year.
With these deals its hard to hide the fact we are rebuilding now.
But that said this wouldn’t be a long term rebuild when you consider in the 22 draft we would now have the 6/7 pick and the 9/10 pick, with those we would go RD & C with Jirecek and Lambert if we could, both project around those picks so it’s not a crazy goal. Then in 23 with a depleted team and a few injuries It wouldn’t be out of the realm of posibilite to expect the sharks at 2/3 OA and our other pick from TOR at 26/29, with those we could grab Fantilli C and Zimmer RW.
With those 4 guys plus what we already have in the depth chart now and our 25 and under group (as of 23/24 start to the season) is looking really deep and diverse.
Tier 1 (potential Elite player)
Fantilli, Eklund
Tier 2 (potential top 6 F top 4 D starter goalie, possible all-star)
Lambert, Zimmer, Bordeleau, Gushin, Coe, Robins, Jiricek, Merkley, Gaudreau, Ferraro
Tier 3 (potential middle 6 F, 2/3 pairing D, 1b/ backup Goalie)
Weisblatt, Cardwell, Laroque, Kinazev, Reedy
Tier 4 (depth player)
Kashnikov, Hatakka, Raska, Guryev, Gregor Leonard
Tier 5 (AHL/NHL tweener)
Cardwell, Chrona, Jacobsson, McCue, Chmevelski, Blichfeld
Tier 6 (AHL ceiling)
Everyone else lol
And this doesn’t take into account the other 14 picks (2-7 round) in the next two drafts.
that's 29 prospects/ young NHLers who have legit chance to play at NHL Level.
of those 29 I would assume about 12 actually reach their potential with 5-6 wont reach their potential but still be quality NHLers and 11-12 will fall off and end up as AHL tweeners.
Add those 17/18 young prospects/ players to the quality core vets in Hertl, Couture, Barabanov, Dahlen, Karlsson, Burns, Knyzhov, Kahkonen and or Hill (whichever one we keep)
If we can make a few smart trades and find a few quality pickups in FA and stay away from risky moves and we And you have the building blocks for a rapid rebuild into a cup contending team. I expect if they follow this plan we could be in the playoffs by 24/25 and be considered a cup contender by 25/26.
I am pretty sure the Devils pass on that, but I think you are selling low on Meier. He is really breaking out this year, and I think that you could get more than that for Meier.
Why are we paying to dump Simeks cap if we’re rebuilding though. Don’t get it.
few reasons 1 i want his spot on the team open for a younger better prospect and 2 in our near future Balcers doesn’t really fit so it’s helping give both players a second chance and frees up cap space for us to utilize if we actually end up playing well enough to be buyers, or if we weponize it for more picks at the deadline.
I am pretty sure the Devils pass on that, but I think you are selling low on Meier. He is really breaking out this year, and I think that you could get more than that for Meier.
the Meier idea came from a devils post, it’s not my idea actually i reduced what he was offering cause this is more fair for a 80-90 point 30-35 goal power forward who is 25. and yes he is signed for only one year but is a RFA after that. and if you give him an 8 year deal it would end by his 33/34 age season which is right where power forwards typically start to tail off.
as for selling low the asking price last offseason was a 1st and a prospect and no one bit, yes he has clearly advanced and is playing at his full potential but GM will still be hesitant to pay fulll value because his next year his actually salary is 10 mil though his cap hit is 6 and the tender if you don’t sign him long term would be 10 mil. and he is only 1 year removed from 2 sub par seasons
I am pretty sure the Devils pass on that, but I think you are selling low on Meier. He is really breaking out this year, and I think that you could get more than that for Meier.
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no we don't. I'd consider that with a little tweaking. Maybe drop the 2nd and I would do that deal
Y’all seem very low on a guy worth $6 mil and over a point per game. I wouldn’t even consider this deal to be close at all.
The whole devils block your number is absolutely wack. A 1st, 3rd and a 3rd liner for Meier is wack too.
Y’all seem very low on a guy worth $6 mil and over a point per game. I wouldn’t even consider this deal to be close at all.
The whole devils block your number is absolutely wack. A 1st, 3rd and a 3rd liner for Meier is wack too.
the only reason i considered is it’s a 6/7 OA and the player we can get there would skilled and would fit a little better in our long term plan and would free up a ton of cap space for when we are a playoff team again.
the only reason i considered is it’s a 6/7 OA and the player we can get there would skilled and would fit a little better in our long term plan and would free up a ton of cap space for when we are a playoff team again.
This year is nowhere near the hype it had earlier, even if it’s that high it’s still very low for Meier. 30 goals in 60 games, 65 points in 60 games should get much more.
This year is nowhere near the hype it had earlier, even if it’s that high it’s still very low for Meier. 30 goals in 60 games, 65 points in 60 games should get much more.
but it would be more quantity less quality. a top 10 pick is more valuable than 2 25+ firsts
but it would be more quantity less quality. a top 10 pick is more valuable than 2 25+ firsts
Not by much in this draft at all. I’d want players not just picks. I’d be asking for Holtz, Walsh, L Hughes level players in return who are closer to nhl ready and valuable.
Not by much in this draft at all. I’d want players not just picks. I’d be asking for Holtz, Walsh, L Hughes level players in return who are closer to nhl ready and valuable.
and to me that makes the deal an easy no. plus my goal is to suck bad in 22/23 so i would prefer no NHL ready guys i want guys who will be ready for 23/24 or 24/25.
and to me that makes the deal an easy no. plus my goal is to suck bad in 22/23 so i would prefer no NHL ready guys i want guys who will be ready for 23/24 or 24/25.
Why an easy no? You don’t want quality in return? All of those guys are better than anyone you get this year 7th or later. I don’t think the guys I mentioned would make that much of an impact next year to make us that much better to where you don’t get a high pick. We would be giving away over 30 goals and 65 points in Meier, these guys wouldn’t fill that.
Why an easy no? You don’t want quality in return? All of those guys are better than anyone you get this year 7th or later. I don’t think the guys I mentioned would make that much of an impact next year to make us that much better to where you don’t get a high pick. We would be giving away over 30 goals and 65 points in Meier, these guys wouldn’t fill that.
easy not from NJD. sorry.
that’s a real idea. you might be right and have a better idea. either way, even keeping Meier we will be better off in a few years.
That doesn't mean we have a young prospect in the system.
Scoring isn't really the Devils problem right now. People won't let go of the "trapping" idea...they are smack dab in the middle of the league of scoring and have Hughes and Hischier to help make good wingers better (although Bratt is pretty awesome).
Right now, I don't mind going into next season with Sharangovich-Hughes-Mercer, and Bratt-Hischier-X, and that X is very likely Holtz who has been lighting up the AHL and is a natural shooter they need.
If I am doing anything on offense, it is building a change of pace physical 3rd line. I have my eyes on Nicolas Roy from Vegas when they have to tear that down to get back under the cap if other NTC guys make it too hard.
That doesn't mean we have a young prospect in the system.
Scoring isn't really the Devils problem right now. People won't let go of the "trapping" idea...they are smack dab in the middle of the league of scoring and have Hughes and Hischier to help make good wingers better (although Bratt is pretty awesome).
Right now, I don't mind going into next season with Sharangovich-Hughes-Mercer, and Bratt-Hischier-X, and that X is very likely Holtz who has been lighting up the AHL and is a natural shooter they need.
If I am doing anything on offense, it is building a change of pace physical 3rd line. I have my eyes on Nicolas Roy from Vegas when they have to tear that down to get back under the cap if other NTC guys make it too hard.
yes but adding Meier and Holtz next year would push you up into the top 1/3 of the league. add a top 4 D man like klingberg in FA from dallas and you have a solid team minus goaltending. that’s your biggest concern honestly! if you could move 1 of the netminder a and pick up a solid starter your a legit playoff team
yes but adding Meier and Holtz next year would push you up into the top 1/3 of the league. add a top 4 D man like klingberg in FA from dallas and you have a solid team minus goaltending. that’s your biggest concern honestly! if you could move 1 of the netminder a and pick up a solid starter your a legit playoff team
Yea, goaltending for SURE our biggest issue. Looking at the numbers, we are in the middle of the pack now with one of the youngest offensive cores in the league, so they will get better with age as everyone can see Hughes is jumping by leaps and bounds. The defense has had holes, I I see a lot of promise there as Siegenthaler has been outstanding, and Hamilton did get banged up with his broken jaw.
The thing about goaltending is, I don't see any sure bet good goalies that are likely moving teams.
But as far as would I rather Meier or one of those top RHD...I'll take the RHD in the system and have a core of Bratt-Hughes-Hischer-Holtz-Mercer up top, with Luke Hughes-2022 RHD, and then whatever we can figure out in goaltending. Spending another $8m on Meier just doesn't seem to make sense when you'll have invested so much in Hughes, Hischier, and soon to be Bratt. Spread it out otherwise you become top heavy.
lol, no one is giving you a 1st round pick for Reimer.
Reimer 50% retained and a high 3rd for a low 1st isn’t a crazy deal, you moving back about 40 spots for a quality starter/ 1b guy costing you barely more than league min. that’s more than fair.
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