What would it take to pry Dubois out of Winnipeg

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Created by: David_Desharnais_51

Team: 2022-23 Montreal Canadiens

Initial Creation Date: Apr. 5, 2022

Published: Apr. 8, 2022

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

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Read before jumping on me, Jets fans. Just pretend for the sake of arguing, that the Jets have decided that “You know what, this guy doesn’t want to sign with us, let’s see what we can get for him”

Genuinely curious what the package would need to be if the Jets decided that it wasn’t going to be possible to re-sign Dubois before the draft. I’m thinking that they will want what Buffalo got for Eichel (which was under value). I’ve put my proposal below, reply below with what you think Montreal needs to add/subtract.

Montreal will have four picks in the first two rounds of the draft, and I don’t expect them to use all of them (they might, but I expect them to trade up, make a deal, or move them forward to next year’s draft).

Free Agent Signings

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Romanov, Alexander	3	$4,500,000
Primeau, Cayden	2	$750,000
Pitlick, Rem	3	$2,000,000
Pezzetta, Michael	1	$750,000
Schueneman, Corey	3	$900,000
Dubois, Pierre-Luc	8	$8,500,000

UFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Subban, P.K.		3	$3,500,000

CREATED		YEARS	CAP HIT
Savoie, Matthew		3	$925,000

Trades

MTL

ANA

Additional Details:

Byron is a buyout candidate, so is Hoffman but I think Hughes waits until next off-season or trades him.

Could honestly care less what Petry gets, a second and a B-prospect would be the best he’s going to get for the age and term. No retention would be a huge win.

Drouin could be a 2023 trade deadline move as he could benefit from some time under Martin St-Louis. If traded, salary retention will be a must.

Armia is going to be difficult. He was drafted by Buffalo so if you package him with one of our 3rd round picks and a 5th, I think that Buffalo can swallow that. No retention on him would also be good.

MTL

Dubois, Pierre-Luc [RFA Rights]

Additional Details:

Yes, it’s unlikely that the Jets would not re-sign Dubois. However, Dubois is young and he’s Quebecois. He’s also a former third overall pick on an expiring contract that played for a Nova Scotia QMJHL team, and who put up 50 points in his rookie season, who Montreal is going to give up a top-4 upside European defenceman and more for, and stop me if you’ve heard this before…

WPG

Norlinder, Mattias
2022 1st round pick (CGY)
2023 1st round pick (FLA)

Additional Details:

The 2023 1st round pick is top-10 protected. If the pick is in the top-10, Montreal instead transfers their own 2024 first-round pick.

Buyouts

Karl Alzner: $833,333

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2022
2023
2024

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
21	$82,500,000	$71,015,832	$1,132,500	$1,270,000	$11,484,168

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Dubois, Pierre-Luc $8,500,000$8,500,000 C UFA - 1	Suzuki, Nick $7,875,000$7,875,000 C UFA - 8	Caufield, Cole $880,833$880,833 ($850,000$850K) LW, RW UFA - 1
Pitlick, Rem $2,000,000$2,000,000 LW, RW UFA - 2	Dvorak, Christian $4,450,000$4,450,000 C UFA - 3	Anderson, Josh $5,500,000$5,500,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 5
Poehling, Ryan $750,000$750,000 C, LW UFA - 1	Savoie, Matthew $925,000$925,000	Gallagher, Brendan $6,500,000$6,500,000 RW, LW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 5
Harvey-Pinard, Rafaël $825,000$825,000 LW, RW RFA - 1	Evans, Jake $1,700,000$1,700,000 C UFA - 3	Ylönen, Jesse $880,833$880,833 RW, LW RFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Romanov, Alexander $4,500,000$4,500,000 LD RFA - 3	Savard, David $3,500,000$3,500,000 RD UFA - 3	Price, Carey $10,500,000$10,500,000 G NMC UFA - 4
Edmundson, Joel $875,000$875,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 2	Subban, P.K. $3,500,000$3,500,000 RD UFA	Allen, Jake $2,875,000$2,875,000 G UFA - 1
Guhle, Kaiden $863,333$863,333 ($420,000$420K) LD/RD RFA - 3	Schueneman, Corey $900,000$900,000 LD/RD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Pezzetta, Michael $750,000$750,000 LW, RW UFA - 1		Weber, Shea $7,857,143$7,857,143 RD UFA - 4

Apr. 8, 2022 at 1:09 p.m.

Not_Isles5513

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They would ask for Romanov, Barron, Dvorak and two firsts

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Apr. 8, 2022 at 1:12 p.m.

Birtle34

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They should start a rebuild instantly if he doesn’t sign, so a couple picks and a couple guys with a ton of team control. Nobody would be safe either, so there would be one wild summer.

Apr. 8, 2022 at 1:22 p.m.

Windjammer

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A late first, a protected first and an unneeded, small LD doesn't garner any interest from Winnipeg. Montreal lacks the main asset that would be required if the Jets moved Dubois.

Apr. 8, 2022 at 1:25 p.m.

BadaBing

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You might have to throw in another prospect. Center`s like him and available in the NHL are hard to come by.

Apr. 8, 2022 at 1:25 p.m.

habs_need_Scoring

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if opinion on here is of any significance Dubois is apparently a top end first line center. So there's no need to even engage the jets on that front,

Apr. 8, 2022 at 1:26 p.m.

drambui

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Quoting: Windjammer

A late first, a protected first and an unneeded, small LD doesn't garner any interest from Winnipeg. Montreal lacks the main asset that would be required if the Jets moved Dubois.

what asset would the jets be looking for mainly? d prospect? maybe the habs could make decent offer for dubois. prospect like ghule, first rounds picks, farrel, roy could be the start of a good offer. i mean the habs a revuilding so they should not do it, but im curious what the jets would be looking for.

Apr. 8, 2022 at 1:27 p.m.

drambui

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Quoting: Isles5513

They would ask for Romanov, Barron, Dvorak and two firsts

sorta seems fair. not that the habs should do it.

Apr. 8, 2022 at 1:33 p.m.

David_Desharnais_51

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Quoting: Isles5513

They would ask for Romanov, Barron, Dvorak and two firsts

I get why they would want those kind of players. I don’t know if Montreal would be willing to part with Romanov or Barron just yet, but I see Dvorak being the “Tuch” in this trade. He can play centre and the wing.

Could Mailloux be an alternative? His upside is high but he’s probably never going to play for Montreal.

Thanks for not jumping all over me

Apr. 8, 2022 at 1:39 p.m.

Windjammer

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Quoting: drambui

I would imagine it would be a big, young right shot defenseman with top pairing potential or a big, young center with 1C potential. Basically a Dubois clone that either plays RD or center. With picks added depending on the main player coming back to the Jets.

Apr. 8, 2022 at 1:43 p.m.

#10

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Quoting: Windjammer

A late first, a protected first and an unneeded, small LD doesn't garner any interest from Winnipeg. Montreal lacks the main asset that would be required if the Jets moved Dubois.

Not saying this offer is even close but Norlinder is not an undersized LD, he is 6'0" 185lbs. I think a deal would have to start with like Montreal's 2022 1st + Dvorak to even begin the conversation though and more would need to be added. So it is just not worth it for the Habs right now, we are better off seeing if we can find a top 6 center in the draft or one who has not established himself in the NHL yet.

Apr. 8, 2022 at 1:46 p.m.

#11

Benzino204

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Romanov, Suzuki, and a first.

Apr. 8, 2022 at 1:47 p.m.

#12

drambui

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Quoting: Windjammer

shame mailloux is too ''hot'' to be a trade piece. maybe something around Barron, but they might not be what winnipeg is looking for.

Apr. 8, 2022 at 1:49 p.m.

#13

Windjammer

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Quoting: Campabee

He's the same size as Pionk, so no he's not big. The real issue is he is an unneeded LD.

Dvorak isn't interesting at all as a main roster piece coming back for Dubois.

It's really pointless to discuss though, Dubois is staying in Winnipeg.

Apr. 8, 2022 at 1:54 p.m.

#14

Campabee

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Quoting: Windjammer

I agree with you that Dubois is likely staying in Winnipeg and that Dvorak isn't a main piece just added for cap purposes, the main piece was the Habs 1st which will be a top 5 pick and could be #1 with that it means that you can draft a good center like Wright, Cooley or Savoie or you could draft Nemec to get that RHD you need. Plus since I did say we still need to add a bit there would be other picks\prospects attached.

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Apr. 8, 2022 at 1:56 p.m.

#15

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Quoting: drambui

shame mailloux is too ''hot'' to be a trade piece. maybe something around Barron, but they might not be what winnipeg is looking for.

Maybe Barron would start it, he wouldn't for me, but might for the Jets. But there would still be a pretty hefty add to him to make it interesting for the Jets.

You are correct about Mailloux, too much baggage and character issues to be of interest.

Apr. 8, 2022 at 2:00 p.m.

#16

Windjammer

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Quoting: Campabee

Okay, I didn't realize Dvorak was for cap purposes. The first would be real nice and if the Jets we're giving up Dubois it would probably signal a fairly extensive rebuild is in store for the Jets. So, a more futures based deal structured around that first could get interest.

Apr. 8, 2022 at 2:02 p.m.

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drambui

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Quoting: Windjammer

as an outsider to montreal, what foward prospect you think has more value outside of caufield and suzuki?

Apr. 8, 2022 at 2:07 p.m.

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Quoting: drambui

shame mailloux is too ''hot'' to be a trade piece. maybe something around Barron, but they might not be what winnipeg is looking for.

Has there been any newsflow regarding Mailloux, as last I read was that he was playing in the OHL (admittedly I don't follow the Habs or OHL)? Does new management feel like he hasn't made enough progress in terms of being a better person?

Apr. 8, 2022 at 2:07 p.m.

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Quoting: drambui

as an outsider to montreal, what foward prospect you think has more value outside of caufield and suzuki?

I'm not familiar much with Montreal's forward prospects, but the only interesting forward to me that Montreal has is Suzuki if the Jets are moving Dubois.

So, it would likely need to be Winnipeg starting a full rebuild and the deal would be almost purely futures based around Montreal's first this year. Depending upon where it ends up being.

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Apr. 8, 2022 at 2:09 p.m.

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drambui

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Quoting: Mr_Canoehead

well he was playing well, but gor injured. No real news coming from management, i expect they want to adress it a littles as possible and hope it calm downs a bit. but the kid is on the right track, time will tell.

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Apr. 8, 2022 at 2:10 p.m.

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drambui

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Quoting: Windjammer

yeah, a few promising forward prospect but no big name. and trading suzuki for dubois qould just not make sense for montreal. agreed that if they do trade dubois, might aswell enter a rebuild.

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Apr. 8, 2022 at 2:19 p.m.

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palhal

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I think this fantasy ends when there is belief Habs get can rid of all those bad value contracts without getting cap back in return.

Apr. 8, 2022 at 2:25 p.m.

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drambui

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Quoting: palhal

I think this fantasy ends when there is belief Habs get can rid of all those bad value contracts without getting cap back in return.

your missing the point of this thread more than micheal bay missed the point when he made pearl harbor

Apr. 8, 2022 at 2:31 p.m.

#24

Jay27

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MTL already has a 1c in Suzy, not that Dubois wouldn’t be a great add it’s just the price of acquisition with where the Habs are right now just wouldn’t make sense.

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Apr. 8, 2022 at 2:32 p.m.

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palhal

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Quoting: drambui

your missing the point of this thread more than micheal bay missed the point when he made pearl harbor

No, I think Montreal fans miss the point more than Montcalm did when General Wolfe invaded Quebec City.

Interesting about Dubois. I wonder if he's feels frustrated by his middling teams he as been on in Columbus and Winnipeg. Does he gamble on himself at sign short term, and then control his destiny as a UFA?

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