SalarySwishSalarySwish
Forums/Armchair-GM

Leafs Forever

Created by: Fade14
Team: 2022-23 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: May 27, 2022
Published: May 27, 2022
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
Wanted to see if I could fit Fiala in a semi reasonable manner, I think everything is relatively close to proper value, just for fun
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$2,000,000
3$2,000,000
2$1,500,000
8$8,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$750,000
4$4,500,000
3$3,500,000
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. 2022 1st round pick (VGK)
  2. 2022 3rd round pick (BUF)
Additional Details:
Buffalo gets a solid veteran dman to play with Dahlin. Outside of the strong on ice impacts, he is a great leader and can help rebuild the culture of the Sabres. Additionally, they have the draft capital to spare to make this trade, a team such as detroit would be less willing to make thus move since they have 1 first rounder.
BUF
  1. Muzzin, Jake
Additional Details:
Losing Muzzin is a big loss in the locker room, but there is an excess of NHL LD and Sandin needs top four minutes. Due to his advancing age and fairly large contract, it makes sense to move him.
2.
TOR
  1. Fiala, Kevin [RFA Rights]
Additional Details:
Basically confirmed they're moving Fiala, get back two first, a young player and hometown boy in Holl.
MIN
  1. Holl, Justin
  2. Voit, Ty
  3. 2022 1st round pick (VGK)
  4. 2024 1st round pick (TOR)
Additional Details:
Based on what I heard the asking price may be from some media member, can't remember from where. Could be way off, but I'm just doing this for fun so idc
3.
TOR
  1. 2022 3rd round pick (VAN)
  2. 2023 2nd round pick (VAN)
  3. 2023 3rd round pick (VAN)
Additional Details:
Acquire two versatile players. Kerfoot can play in Vancouver's top six or fill the 3C hole. Engvall is a solid young(ish) player who is a strong depth option who could have potential to play higher in the lineup. Both are also excellent penalty killers. (Kerfoot is also a hometown boy)
4.
TOR
    Future Considerations
    Get a goalie to play for them and help reach the salary floor. Receive the pick for taking on the cap hit. Additionally, if Mrazek turns it around, he could be dealt for assets.
    ARI
    1. Mrázek, Petr
    2. 2022 3rd round pick (BUF)
    5.
    TOR
    1. Reimer, James ($1,125,000 retained)
    SJS
    1. 2022 3rd round pick (WPG)
    2. 2023 2nd round pick (VAN)
    3. 2023 3rd round pick (VAN)
    Additional Details:
    Acquire a solid cost controlled goaltender, also I want Reimer back in Toronto so bad.
    DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
    2022
    Logo of the TOR
    Logo of the VAN
    Logo of the TOR
    2023
    Logo of the TOR
    Logo of the TOR
    Logo of the TOR
    Logo of the TOR
    Logo of the TOR
    2024
    Logo of the TOR
    Logo of the TOR
    Logo of the TOR
    Logo of the TOR
    Logo of the TOR
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    20$82,500,000$82,205,616$212,500$0$294,384

    Roster

    Left WingCentreRight Wing
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $950,000$950,000
    LW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $11,640,250$11,640,250
    C
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $10,903,000$10,903,000
    RW
    UFA - 3
    $8,000,000$8,000,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 7
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $11,000,000$11,000,000
    C, LW
    NMC
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $6,962,366$6,962,366
    RW
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $3,500,000$3,500,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 4
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $1,500,000$1,500,000
    C
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $1,500,000$1,500,000
    RW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $762,500$762,500
    LW
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $850,000$850,000
    LW, C
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $750,000$750,000
    C, RW
    UFA
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $7,500,000$7,500,000
    LD
    NMC
    UFA - 8
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $5,000,000$5,000,000
    LD/RD
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $4,500,000$4,500,000
    G
    UFA - 5
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $2,000,000$2,000,000
    LD
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $2,000,000$2,000,000
    RD
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $800,000$800,000
    LD
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $750,000$750,000
    RD
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the San Jose Sharks
    $1,125,000$1,125,000
    G
    M-NTC
    UFA - 1
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $900,000$900,000
    RW, LW
    M-NTC
    UFA - 1

    Embed Code

    • To display this team on another website or blog, add this iFrame to the appropriate page
    • Customize the height attribute in the iFrame code below to fit your website appropriately. Minimum recommended: 400px.

    Text-Embed

    Click to Highlight
    May 27, 2022 at 1:52 p.m.
    #1
    Funksoljah
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: May 2022
    Posts: 1,021
    Likes: 1,222
    Buffalo doesn't need a top 4 LD, and they aren't paying that price for one. They already have Samuelsson to play with Dahlin who was his partner at the end of the season and they played quite well together.
    May 27, 2022 at 1:53 p.m.
    #2
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: Jun. 2020
    Posts: 2,686
    Likes: 1,219
    Not retaining on Reimer as we are cap strapped. We only do it for a 1st and a prospect.
    May 27, 2022 at 1:56 p.m.
    #3
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: Apr. 2021
    Posts: 91
    Likes: 38
    Imagine thinking you're getting a 1st for Muzzin
    sabres89, homiedaclown, Czu8iks and 1 other person liked this.
    May 27, 2022 at 1:57 p.m.
    #4
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: Jun. 2021
    Posts: 1,251
    Likes: 465
    Quoting: crankshaft
    Not retaining on Reimer as we are cap strapped. We only do it for a 1st and a prospect.


    You know this is James Reimer we're talking about? You're not getting a first for a retained rental James Reimer
    May 27, 2022 at 1:59 p.m.
    #5
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: Jun. 2017
    Posts: 2,114
    Likes: 1,022
    Muzzin is not getting you a first, let alone a first and a third. Also the last thing the Sabres need is another LHD.
    sabres89, homiedaclown, Czu8iks and 1 other person liked this.
    May 27, 2022 at 2:00 p.m.
    #6
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: Feb. 2017
    Posts: 8,248
    Likes: 6,236
    We have two left shot d that were drafted first overall, plus Samuelsson who is doing great. Left d, especially depth ones, aren't worth the premium that right d get. This isn't even in the ballpark.
    homiedaclown and gretzkyghosts liked this.
    May 27, 2022 at 2:06 p.m.
    #7
    we miss leo k
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: Feb. 2018
    Posts: 5,973
    Likes: 5,107
    -Buffalo has no need to spend a 1st & a 3rd on Muzzin. There's plenty of veteran Ds out there that can give you 80-90% of what Muzzin gives without costing two picks *and* $5.625M of cap. I could see Buffalo thinking about it if you dropped the 1st rounder (3rd for Muzzin?) but I'll let Sabres fans weigh in on that possibility.

    -That package seems okay for Fiala but can be beat if another team wants him more. Holl is zero value to Minnesota though, dump him out somewhere else - they already have Dumba, Spurgeon, and Addison ready to play RD. You can probably flip Holl out elsewhere for a 4th.

    -I can't see Vancouver doing this kind of move without them already having moved JT Miller out for a ton of picks/prospects. As it stands now, there's not a ton of room in their top 9 when you look at who's already signed/who's still only an RFA this summer.

    -Mrazek isn't the type of cap dump Arizona usually takes, his contract is backloaded and actually costs more in salary than his cap hit. I'd look at another, non-cap floor team like Chicago for this deal (but they might bleed you for more in terms of compensation).

    -Reimer is probably able to be acquired this summer (unless they move on from Hill or Kahkonen) but as @crankshaft said they're tight against the cap this summer and you're going to have to overpay to get some of that retention.

    I'd honestly be worried about this team. The 4th line is brutal, that bottom pair is iffy at best, and you're at the cap with only 20 guys - so you're gonna need a lot of guys to either play through injury or spend more time than you'd want on LTIR.
    Upper_Body_Injury, IcemanJoe, Fade14 and 2 others liked this.
    May 27, 2022 at 2:13 p.m.
    #8
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: Jul. 2021
    Posts: 7,136
    Likes: 3,156
    Sabres decline
    That’s quite laughable actually
    Even if it was just for a 3rd, i still don’t think we’d do it

    Samuelsson-Dahlin looked good at the end of the season
    If we bring in a Vet to play with Dahlin, it would more likely be a RH guy
    Muzzin just isn’t of any interest to us
    May 27, 2022 at 2:15 p.m.
    #9
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: Jan. 2020
    Posts: 5,219
    Likes: 2,868
    Value on the Reimer deal is fair.
    Fade14 liked this.
    May 27, 2022 at 2:29 p.m.
    #10
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: Feb. 2020
    Posts: 211
    Likes: 114
    Quoting: dannibalcorpse
    -Buffalo has no need to spend a 1st & a 3rd on Muzzin. There's plenty of veteran Ds out there that can give you 80-90% of what Muzzin gives without costing two picks *and* $5.625M of cap. I could see Buffalo thinking about it if you dropped the 1st rounder (3rd for Muzzin?) but I'll let Sabres fans weigh in on that possibility.

    -That package seems okay for Fiala but can be beat if another team wants him more. Holl is zero value to Minnesota though, dump him out somewhere else - they already have Dumba, Spurgeon, and Addison ready to play RD. You can probably flip Holl out elsewhere for a 4th.

    -I can't see Vancouver doing this kind of move without them already having moved JT Miller out for a ton of picks/prospects. As it stands now, there's not a ton of room in their top 9 when you look at who's already signed/who's still only an RFA this summer.

    -Mrazek isn't the type of cap dump Arizona usually takes, his contract is backloaded and actually costs more in salary than his cap hit. I'd look at another, non-cap floor team like Chicago for this deal (but they might bleed you for more in terms of compensation).

    -Reimer is probably able to be acquired this summer (unless they move on from Hill or Kahkonen) but as crankshaft said they're tight against the cap this summer and you're going to have to overpay to get some of that retention.

    I'd honestly be worried about this team. The 4th line is brutal, that bottom pair is iffy at best, and you're at the cap with only 20 guys - so you're gonna need a lot of guys to either play through injury or spend more time than you'd want on LTIR.


    This might be the best take on this site! 👍
    May 27, 2022 at 3:02 p.m.
    #11
    Thread Starter
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: Aug. 2020
    Posts: 30
    Likes: 3
    Quoting: dannibalcorpse
    -Buffalo has no need to spend a 1st & a 3rd on Muzzin. There's plenty of veteran Ds out there that can give you 80-90% of what Muzzin gives without costing two picks *and* $5.625M of cap. I could see Buffalo thinking about it if you dropped the 1st rounder (3rd for Muzzin?) but I'll let Sabres fans weigh in on that possibility.

    -That package seems okay for Fiala but can be beat if another team wants him more. Holl is zero value to Minnesota though, dump him out somewhere else - they already have Dumba, Spurgeon, and Addison ready to play RD. You can probably flip Holl out elsewhere for a 4th.

    -I can't see Vancouver doing this kind of move without them already having moved JT Miller out for a ton of picks/prospects. As it stands now, there's not a ton of room in their top 9 when you look at who's already signed/who's still only an RFA this summer.

    -Mrazek isn't the type of cap dump Arizona usually takes, his contract is backloaded and actually costs more in salary than his cap hit. I'd look at another, non-cap floor team like Chicago for this deal (but they might bleed you for more in terms of compensation).

    -Reimer is probably able to be acquired this summer (unless they move on from Hill or Kahkonen) but as crankshaft said they're tight against the cap this summer and you're going to have to overpay to get some of that retention.

    I'd honestly be worried about this team. The 4th line is brutal, that bottom pair is iffy at best, and you're at the cap with only 20 guys - so you're gonna need a lot of guys to either play through injury or spend more time than you'd want on LTIR.


    From the replies I'm getting , seems like Buffalo isn't the best fit for Muzzin, I wasn't aware of how well Samuelsson was performing. Also didn't realize Dahlin was LD, completely though he was RD for some reason. I will say I think Muzzin is being a bit undervalued. He wasn't great this season due to injury but looked very good in the playoffs and has been good the last few seasons. I wouldn't hesitate to keep him if Sandin wasn't coming up.

    Definitely agree that the fourth line is spotty, this situation was just for fun, I don't know if it would really be worth it to sacrifice depth to slot in Fiala. I would argue that it could be worth it for a playe rof his calibre. You could roll the top two lines 20 mins a night each, and give the third line 15, leaving only like 5 minutes for thr fourth. You'd be leaning really heavily on the top six and an injury to two of them could cripple the team though. I think Giordano is a more than capable bottom pairing guy, I think a model had his contract value at 5.3m? That pairing would heavily rely on Hollowell being ready though.

    Honestly, I feel like the price for Reimer is pretty fair. I'd say the 2nd and 3rd are about a fair price for him, plus another 3rd for 1.125m retained for one year seems reasonable to me.

    I appreciate the feedback, thanks!
    dannibalcorpse liked this.
    May 27, 2022 at 3:03 p.m.
    #12
    Thread Starter
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: Aug. 2020
    Posts: 30
    Likes: 3
    Quoting: sabres89
    We have two left shot d that were drafted first overall, plus Samuelsson who is doing great. Left d, especially depth ones, aren't worth the premium that right d get. This isn't even in the ballpark.


    Honestly I was just being dumb and didn't realize Dahlin was LD, for some reason thought he was RD. With that in mind, that deal definitely doesn't make sense, my bad for just glossing over it to quick lol.
    sabres89 liked this.
    May 27, 2022 at 3:04 p.m.
    #13
    Thread Starter
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: Aug. 2020
    Posts: 30
    Likes: 3
    Quoting: sabres89
    We have two left shot d that were drafted first overall, plus Samuelsson who is doing great. Left d, especially depth ones, aren't worth the premium that right d get. This isn't even in the ballpark.


    Honestly I was just being dumb and didn't realize Dahlin was LD, for some reason thought he was RD. With that in mind, that deal definitely doesn't make sense, my bad for just glossing over it to quick lol.
    May 27, 2022 at 3:11 p.m.
    #14
    Thread Starter
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: Aug. 2020
    Posts: 30
    Likes: 3
    Quoting: Cody_Eakin
    Imagine thinking you're getting a 1st for Muzzin


    I think your really undervaluing him. I do realize now Buffalo is not the right fit, for some reason I thought Dahlin was RD not LD. However, you could definitely get a first for him. Look at what he was origanally acquired for, he's not to far removed from that and is still an excellent player. Additionally, look at what guys like Ristolainen and Chiarot have got in return. Muzzin is better than both of them by a mile. (Chiarot was deadline, which definitely drives up the price, so Muzzin being worth a first outside of the deadline would make sense, maybe without the third though.)
    May 27, 2022 at 3:12 p.m.
    #15
    Thread Starter
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: Aug. 2020
    Posts: 30
    Likes: 3
    Quoting: Funksoljah
    Buffalo doesn't need a top 4 LD, and they aren't paying that price for one. They already have Samuelsson to play with Dahlin who was his partner at the end of the season and they played quite well together.


    Didn't realize Dahlin was LD, thought he was RD for some reason, trade definitely doesn't make sense, my bad.
    May 27, 2022 at 3:46 p.m.
    #16
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: Apr. 2021
    Posts: 91
    Likes: 38
    Quoting: Fade14
    I think your really undervaluing him. I do realize now Buffalo is not the right fit, for some reason I thought Dahlin was RD not LD. However, you could definitely get a first for him. Look at what he was origanally acquired for, he's not to far removed from that and is still an excellent player. Additionally, look at what guys like Ristolainen and Chiarot have got in return. Muzzin is better than both of them by a mile. (Chiarot was deadline, which definitely drives up the price, so Muzzin being worth a first outside of the deadline would make sense, maybe without the third though.)


    Risto was 26. Chiarot played 23+ minutes on a team that just went to the Stanley Cup.

    Muzzin is 33, has a bad contract, and has declined. He also has a NTC and will decide where he gets to go.

    Nate Schmidt with a similar contract & NTC got a 3rd.
    May 27, 2022 at 4:56 p.m.
    #17
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: Jun. 2020
    Posts: 2,686
    Likes: 1,219
    Quoting: dannibalcorpse
    -Buffalo has no need to spend a 1st & a 3rd on Muzzin. There's plenty of veteran Ds out there that can give you 80-90% of what Muzzin gives without costing two picks *and* $5.625M of cap. I could see Buffalo thinking about it if you dropped the 1st rounder (3rd for Muzzin?) but I'll let Sabres fans weigh in on that possibility.

    -That package seems okay for Fiala but can be beat if another team wants him more. Holl is zero value to Minnesota though, dump him out somewhere else - they already have Dumba, Spurgeon, and Addison ready to play RD. You can probably flip Holl out elsewhere for a 4th.

    -I can't see Vancouver doing this kind of move without them already having moved JT Miller out for a ton of picks/prospects. As it stands now, there's not a ton of room in their top 9 when you look at who's already signed/who's still only an RFA this summer.

    -Mrazek isn't the type of cap dump Arizona usually takes, his contract is backloaded and actually costs more in salary than his cap hit. I'd look at another, non-cap floor team like Chicago for this deal (but they might bleed you for more in terms of compensation).

    -Reimer is probably able to be acquired this summer (unless they move on from Hill or Kahkonen) but as crankshaft said they're tight against the cap this summer and you're going to have to overpay to get some of that retention.

    I'd honestly be worried about this team. The 4th line is brutal, that bottom pair is iffy at best, and you're at the cap with only 20 guys - so you're gonna need a lot of guys to either play through injury or spend more time than you'd want on LTIR.


    No doubt Reimer is available to some degree but his contract is cheap as chips so I don't see the Sharks who have a relatively strong trade record retaining anything unless the return is an overpay.
    dannibalcorpse liked this.
    May 27, 2022 at 4:58 p.m.
    #18
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: Jun. 2020
    Posts: 2,686
    Likes: 1,219
    Quoting: LukaTAG
    You know this is James Reimer we're talking about? You're not getting a first for a retained rental James Reimer


    Did I say a 1st?
    Quoting: FunMustBeAlways
    Value on the Reimer deal is fair.


    Not with retention it isn't.
    May 27, 2022 at 5:03 p.m.
    #19
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: Apr. 2022
    Posts: 2,044
    Likes: 1,375
    Trolling ?
    May 27, 2022 at 5:32 p.m.
    #20
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: Jun. 2021
    Posts: 1,251
    Likes: 465
    Quoting: crankshaft
    Did I say a 1st?

    Not with retention it isn't.


    1st and a prospect. Absurd.
    May 27, 2022 at 7:28 p.m.
    #21
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: Jan. 2021
    Posts: 2,771
    Likes: 1,386
    VAN decline, they are trying to shed salary.
    Knuckl3s liked this.
    May 27, 2022 at 7:42 p.m.
    #22
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: Jan. 2020
    Posts: 5,219
    Likes: 2,868
    Quoting: crankshaft
    Did I say a 1st?

    Not with retention it isn't.


    Nope even with retention that’s a good haul. It’s barely over 1M for 1 year.
    Fade14 liked this.
    May 27, 2022 at 9:26 p.m.
    #23
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: Jul. 2018
    Posts: 4,184
    Likes: 1,001
    Quoting: LukaTAG
    You know this is James Reimer we're talking about? You're not getting a first for a retained rental James Reimer


    You know this is Jake Muzzin we're talking about? You're not getting a first and a 3rd for a guy with concussion issues
    May 27, 2022 at 9:34 p.m.
    #24
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: Jun. 2021
    Posts: 1,251
    Likes: 465
    Quoting: vols94
    You know this is Jake Muzzin we're talking about? You're not getting a first and a 3rd for a guy with concussion issues


    Yeah, that's true. The Muzzin trade is really unrealistic. I was picking apart the Reimer trade though.
    May 28, 2022 at 7:07 p.m.
    #25
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: Apr. 2018
    Posts: 5,352
    Likes: 4,799
    @dannibalcorpse
    Quoting: FentonsSoilders
    This might be the best take on this site! 👍
    I rarely disagree with him.
    The only time he and I differed, we mistakenly misunderstood each other.
    We were able to agree once we restated our points of views.
    He is always on point!
    dannibalcorpse and GMTD liked this.
     
    Reply
    To create a post please Login or Register
    Question:
    Options:
    Add Option
    Submit Poll