Dvorak Staying with 17 in 22 under MSL

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Created by: Billy739

Team: 2022-23 Montreal Canadiens

Initial Creation Date: May 31, 2022

Published: May 31, 2022

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Like the Title says im tired of people Dumping Dvorak.
They woke up with Caufield putting the blame on Ducharme
They woke up with Petry after they realized He scored 21/28pts in 30 under MSL
Why wont they wake up with Dvorak?

72% Faceoff Win Rate under MSL
Unlike Ducharme he's not Defensive Zone Faceoffs Only
MSL doesnt punish him because Poehling sucks are Faceoffs in DZ
Instead he punishes Poehling giving Pitlick and Dauphin his 3rd line role demoting him
Neither of them can win a faceoff, they replaced him cause they win puck battles

My Point is MSL knows how to use Dvorak
We'd want to keep him especially given the low price we paid.
He'll be still worth more in 5 years then KK or either pick will become
Why? His Faceoff Ability alone like Cullen will keep him in the NHL long after his offense dries up because he's so dominant there. He's the right guy to keep around to train Suzuki and Wright IMO

My Focus here is on Building a Contender
While also collecting another Lotto pick like FLA
Unless they trade Bobo they lost 1/2 their team with 4m cap

Chiarot once moved to RD in MTL for 9 games after TML asked to see him showcased there in our match up he went 9 pts in 9 games before traded. Romanov set him up for 1 timers and they created offensive chances he and others jumped on. Chiarot is here until Mailloux will be ready then again we can trade him to a contender. We have the void and he's the best and cheapest option a team like MTL will attract. Plus i really like the Physical Dominance Romanov-Chiarot showed. I mean Eddy on Romanov's Right side had some good looks but few converted into actual points they were just physically dominating. With Barron it seem Romanov is less physical focusing more on protecting his young partner.

I just feel going forward the safest option for Romanov to pair with is Chiarot.
The runner up to that woulda been Subban return which i like as he's a living reminder of what chasing money over taking less to build a contender will cost you. He's still a good player to i just couldnt justify the 5m im sure he'll land from someone who wants to sell Jersey's.

Now i said im building a contender and i meant it
But that relies on AHL players Ghule,Xhekaj,Mysak,Ylonen,Trudeau,Kidney and Simmoneau among others who aged out or are entering the AHL next year. Kidney and Trudeau could go back but their teams are rebuilding word around the Q is and they'll move on. (see it a lot in Moncton over the years like Pandemic start we went all in and were top 3 in Canada then no playoffs. Forced a rebuild and Pelltier left early as did Spence and the Andersson

We have a good mix of players in Laval who are currently in the ECF in the AHL that is looking to get a huge boost from our depth pool. Its looking like Ghule is gonna be facing off against Xhekaj and Mysak in the Memorial Cup so there's Quality there to not just quantity.

Their jobs is to push out NHL'ers by doing so good they make us trade a Byron, Hoffman,Evans,Eddy or Allen. Ylonen in particular is looking to make that sooner then later as his defensive game which is usually lacking has really stepped up this playoffs.

Free Agent Signings

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Pezzetta, Michael	2	$850,000
Primeau, Cayden	2	$950,000
Schnarr, Nathan	2	$850,000
Schueneman, Corey	2	$850,000
Teasdale, Joël	2	$850,000
Pitlick, Rem	3	$2,250,000
Romanov, Alexander	4	$2,850,000

UFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Chiarot, Ben		3	$3,250,000
Wideman, Chris		1	$850,000

CREATED		YEARS	CAP HIT
Wright, shane		3	$925,000

Trades

MTL

Johnson, Tyler
2023 1st round pick (CHI)

Additional Details:

CHI trade 1st round pick Top 3 protected for Jeff Petry Bundle and MTL to RS 50% on Kane or Toews to help maximize CHI returns.

CHI caps tight and RS of 5.25m on 1/3 players they're likely to sell is possible for sure. After that though it gets sketchy and much cheaper this way with more to show for it if you're CHI

Swapping Johnson & a 1st for Petry and Drouin
It gives CHI options as they can get more for Drouin then Johnson given how steep and fast his decline was vs his contract. Now they are in a position to sell Toews 50% RS, Kane 50% RS Via MTL & Drouin 50% RS for a profit

Before anyone starts about Drouin being banged up Hanzal and Timonen were both traded on IR at the deadline for a Premium. Both were in Decline and Both Retired not long after so Drouin's issues arent very concerning to me as its mental (take him outta MTL we're hard on players, you could give up McJesus, Our fans would as for God)

CHI

Drouin, Jonathan ($2,750,000 retained)
Petry, Jeff

Additional Details:

Jones/Petry/Murphy to play with the many young LD from Mitchell to Beaudin to Harding. Their RD quality is about as bare as MTL's was before Barron /Mailloux so the stability will help them as a stop/gap until they draft RD of Quality.

MTL

Faksa, Radek

Additional Details:

Basically same contract
We're just swapping a position you're in need of for one that MTL is in need of as well. With Faksa gone DAL is still set but they've only got 5 Right Handed Shots of which 1 asked for a trade and 1 is buried in the AHL. RD like Savard helps them more then Faksa

DAL

Savard, David

Additional Details:

Faksa is probably top 5 in Defensive Zone Faceoffs in the NHL and is an ideal 4th line Center to play with Armia in particular.

MTL is ALWAYS injured at Center each and every year.
It will happen again this year im sure and that's where Faksa's secondary value is because he can play middle 6 Center confidentally just doesnt have the offense for it long term

MTL

2022 3rd round pick (MIN)

MIN

Poehling, Ryan

Buyouts

Karl Alzner: $833,333

Retained Salary Transactions

Jonathan Drouin: $2,750,000 (50%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2022
2023
2024

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$82,500,000	$79,014,166	$1,132,500	$1,570,000	$3,485,834

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Anderson, Josh $5,500,000$5,500,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 5	Suzuki, Nick $7,875,000$7,875,000 C UFA - 8	Caufield, Cole $880,833$880,833 ($850,000$850K) LW, RW UFA - 1
Pitlick, Rem $2,250,000$2,250,000 LW, RW UFA - 2	Wright, shane $925,000$925,000	Gallagher, Brendan $6,500,000$6,500,000 RW, LW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 5
Hoffman, Mike $4,500,000$4,500,000 LW UFA - 2	Dvorak, Christian $4,450,000$4,450,000 C UFA - 3	Evans, Jake $1,700,000$1,700,000 C UFA - 3
Armia, Joel $3,400,000$3,400,000 RW, LW UFA - 3	Faksa, Radek $3,250,000$3,250,000 C, LW M-NTC UFA - 3	Johnson, Tyler $5,000,000$5,000,000 RW, C, LW M-NTC UFA - 2
Pezzetta, Michael $850,000$850,000 LW, RW UFA - 1		Byron, Paul $3,400,000$3,400,000 LW, RW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Romanov, Alexander $2,850,000$2,850,000 LD RFA - 3	Chiarot, Ben $3,250,000$3,250,000 LD/RD UFA - 4	Allen, Jake $2,875,000$2,875,000 G UFA - 1
Edmundson, Joel $875,000$875,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 2	Barron, Justin $925,000$925,000 ($212,500$212K) RD RFA - 2	Price, Carey $10,500,000$10,500,000 G NMC UFA - 4
Harris, Jordan $842,500$842,500 ($507,500$508K) LD/RD RFA - 1	Wideman, Chris $850,000$850,000 RD UFA - 2
	Schueneman, Corey $850,000$850,000 LD/RD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
		Weber, Shea $7,857,143$7,857,143 RD UFA - 4

May 31, 2022 at 6:05 a.m.

Ledge_And_Dairy

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That's horrible for Chicago

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May 31, 2022 at 6:10 a.m.

Billy739

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

That's horrible for Chicago

They're now in a position where they cannot trade both Kane and Toews at 50% RS
Go check it out they're pretty well f'd with who they got to resign vs what they have

Whats worse?
Giving up a 1st rounder you've got top 3 protection on?
Not getting to trade a Toews or a Kane for the multiple 1st's +++ they'll no doubt get ?

They'll have to make this deal with someone to RS at 50%
This way they get Petry back giving them Value at the cost of Johnson who's provided none for them
Bad as Drouin's been for missing games its not nearly as bad as its been for Johnson when he shows up to his

May 31, 2022 at 6:23 a.m.

Ledge_And_Dairy

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Quoting: Billy739

What? Why can't they retain on both Kane and Toews? Like I can't think of a single reason why. Please explain. Also Petry doesn't ahve value. His contract is like slightly better Brent Burns

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May 31, 2022 at 6:52 a.m.

Subbanator7667

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

What? Why can't they retain on both Kane and Toews? Like I can't think of a single reason why. Please explain. Also Petry doesn't ahve value. His contract is like slightly better Brent Burns

I think in the trade above he is taking 50% retention on one of the contracts in that bundle without actually taking the player so they can move them with even less money.

Petry also has value and will be dealt for positive assets this off season.

This is a horrible deal for MTL.

May 31, 2022 at 7:47 a.m.

Jfstompers

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So I'm banging my head against the wall here. How is petry and drouin helping their cap number at all, they're adding dollars there. Chicago won't do that deal anyways. If they do move Kane and toews and go full rebuild they aren't trading 1st rounders for older dmen and retaining would mean nothing on what's left of those deals.

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May 31, 2022 at 8:16 a.m.

GeneralLandro

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I agree with the previous statements that there is no shot Chicago does this.

Not a chance they trade a 1st for a 34 year old

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May 31, 2022 at 8:24 a.m.

SociallyHawkward

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Petry sucks and drouin isn't much better. What a terrible hawks trade. They have plenty of cap space to keep Johnson. This doesn't make any sense at all.

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May 31, 2022 at 8:52 a.m.

Wadejos123

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absolutley zero chance the hawks to that

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May 31, 2022 at 8:52 a.m.

ForsbergForVezina

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Quoting: Subbanator7667

The Blackhawks are going to be one of the worst teams in the league next year and they’re trading their 1st round pick for a defenseman in his mid 30s and an offense-only third liner, how is that “horrible for Montreal”

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May 31, 2022 at 9:00 a.m.

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Petry isn't waiving for Chicago, I doubt he waives for any Western Conference team with the brutal travel schedule. And all Canadian teams are on Tyler Johnsons no trade list That's already been reported when he waived for Chicago.

May 31, 2022 at 9:13 a.m.

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Subbanator7667

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Quoting: ForsbergForVezina

If they're taking on over 5 million in cap retention just for Chicago to flip Kane, plus another 2.25 retention on Drouin, that's over 7 million in retention alone. Plus Petry gas actual value, first round pick value, not top 10 pick value but still positive value. Then you add taking a cap dump in TJ and MTL has like 12 million of cap all tied up for a pick that won't be worth it.

May 31, 2022 at 10:30 a.m.

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Garak

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Hey guys. Broken record here. That trade is awful for CHI. Try to rationalize it all you want, but you'd be wrong.

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May 31, 2022 at 10:40 a.m.

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Ledge_And_Dairy

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Quoting: Subbanator7667

How is it a benefit to Chicago if Montreal decides to retain instead of them? Chicago has no issues retaining themselves. You are trying to justify an already flawed proposal. If Montreal wants to retain and Chicago doesnt then the receiving team pays not Chicago.

And for the last time Petry does not have positive value, let alone a 1st. He is a 35 year old 1 dimensional defenseman. His value is about the same as pre-buyout Yandle

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May 31, 2022 at 10:46 a.m.

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You aren’t getting a top 10 pick for two bums especially in the 2023 draft, also the Hawks could simply buyout Johnson if they wanted to lmao. There’s no benefit for Chicago here at all and they will have no problem at all retaining salary on Toews and Kane lol. You’re not dealing with Stan Bowman anymore, Davidson isn’t an idiot.

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May 31, 2022 at 10:48 a.m.

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Jumping in to echo that the trade is terrible for Chicago, and more so that the rationalization doesn't even make sense - you have Chicago sending out Tyler Johnson (2x$5M) to get back Jeff Petry (2x$6.25M) and Jonathan Drouin (1x$2.75M with his retention) - so Chicago sends out $5M and gets back $9M in cap.

Right now Chicago has ~$20M in cap space with not a ton of holes to fill - they need goalies, obviously, but other than that it's filling out their bottom 6 and 3rd pair. They could easily do all that for around $10M and still have the $10Mish they need to fully retain on Kane & Toews - if they even want to move them.

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May 31, 2022 at 11:09 a.m.

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

It also makes no sense for MTL to take on all that retention, hence why the whole proposal makes no sense.

And for the last time, a bad 30 games doesn't make a player have negative value. Petry will return a good haul of assets and I'll be on here to enjoy it when it happens.

May 31, 2022 at 11:12 a.m.

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Garak

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Quoting: TCS2020

I'd like to agree with you. But don't think we can pass judgment on Davidson in either direction just yet. He could still turn out to be an idiot too, but we won't know for at least 2-3 years. haha

May 31, 2022 at 11:37 a.m.

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Hawks trade is awful, even if the trade were close to fair, a rebuilding team isn't trading their 1st round pick in a strong draft class for no reason.

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May 31, 2022 at 12:59 p.m.

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Quoting: Garak

I'd like to agree with you. But don't think we can pass judgment on Davidson in either direction just yet. He could still turn out to be an idiot too, but we won't know for at least 2-3 years. haha

Well regardless Davidson won’t want to block both Regula and Mitchell by adding an old RHD as Jones and Murphy already are taking up two spots on the right side

Quoting: Garak

I'd like to agree with you. But don't think we can pass judgment on Davidson in either direction just yet. He could still turn out to be an idiot too, but we won't know for at least 2-3 years. haha

Quoting: Garak

I'd like to agree with you. But don't think we can pass judgment on Davidson in either direction just yet. He could still turn out to be an idiot too, but we won't know for at least 2-3 years. haha

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