The youngish players you’ve realized aren’t good combined with a pick isn’t going to get it done

If there is a team offering two 2nd's for Kylington I would hope the Flames jump all over that as fast as they can!

Hard no from Sens on Bailey, they have too many prospects already to go to give away roster spots to him.

I wouldn’t do the Paštrnák trade, the value doesn’t add up, Beauvillier’s been a very good top-6 forward for years, except this one, but he’s still young and will likely bounce back next season under Lambert. Same with Wahlström, I believe he’s going to take huge steps next season with a coach that doesn’t hate him and throw him under the bus to the media every chance he gets and play him 6 minutes a night with grinders and no pp-time + he’s still got potential to be a 30-35 goal scorer with excellent all-around play. Aatu Räty’s ceiling is definitely a very good 2nd center or better. - and the 13th overall pick will likely fetch a future top-6 player i.e. Brad Lambert or a Jonathan Lekkerimäki, Danila Yurov etcetera. Paštrnák is one of the best wingers in the NHL for sure, but not worth it imo.

NYI

PLEASE

IM BEGGING YOU

STOP.

OTT isnt paying you for Bailey

Obviously I’m biased, but I view that as an overpay for the isles. Aatu Raty is a future 1C-2C and the Bruins have a gaping hole at center, Beauvillier is a great play driver and forechecker even if he wasn’t great last year, and Wahlstrom showed a ton of promise last year and at the beginning of this year before Trotz hammered him for no reason. Plus you get the 13th overall pick and a late 2nd which are certainly valuable assets. That more than gets it done

Yes and no for me. Leaves a pretty big hole to fill again if he leaves. But he was also super streaky this year

My guy, calm down. Your own GM specifically said he is actively looking for veteran players in the mold of someone like Josh Bailey, he would immediately be tied for 4th in points on your team in a down year for him, and his actual real dollar salary is only 60% of his cap hit with only two years left on his deal. It’s not terribly unreasonable that 1) OTT would be interested in him 2) that he’d fetch a late second in return.

The only reason why I went with OTT here rather than ARI is because your own GM publicly said that he wants to bring in veteran leadership this summer, and Bailey is one of the best low key locker room guys in the league, and very much has the kind of low actual dollar salary contract that your organization likes.

I’m certainly happy to give you guys less🤷🏻‍♂️

Oh, I’m personally all about Kevin Fiala, and I’m not even someone who thinks we should be trying to get Chyckryn at this point, as I would probably go with Oliver Kylington instead as I did here. I only put this roster together to see what the cap implications would be, and had to publish it to share it with some buddies for their thoughts.

Who said anything about me realizing these players aren’t good? They trounced your team last year, and multiple times this year. Beavillier is an elite level forechecker, Wahlstrom is going to become a 30 goal scorer, and Räty is going to be the steal of the 2021 draft.

Holy hell, lets talk off the homer glasses for a second. Let’s start at the top. Its not my team. I’m not a bruin player. I like them though.

Trounced is a bit of an overstatement.

Beauvillier is elite at absolutely nothing. Hes a 25 year old third liner who’s a solid player. Nothing against that, but right about now he’s the guy that you’re figuring out isn’t going to fulfill that junior hockey promise.

Wahlstrom…30 goals? Are the islanders planning on sending him down to the sound tigers? Likely the only way that will happen. Let’s focus on getting to 20, or heck, 15, before saying he WILL be a 30 goal scorer.

Raty? Sweet name, but please tell me more about your expertise in evaluating the Finnish league. Until then, lets wait for him to register a point in North America before declaring him anything.

As for who said anything about you realizing these players aren’t that good…that would be me. This is a very transparent trade attempt:
Don’t care about that guy…toss him in. That guy isn’t really needed. Add him. Splash in a 1st, a 2nd, and some rando prospect, and you’ve got yourself a 25 year old that’s led the NHL in goals!

Its not that easy.

Calling Raty a future 1C-2C is beyond ridiculous at this point, what happens when he registers his first North American point…future hall of famer? I’m not even saying anything against the player, but 90% of the time, a guy in his position isn’t an NHL impact player. Most of the time they’re not an NHL player at all.

Its the 13th overall and couple scratch tickets. That doesn’t get pastrnak.

Räty literally had the series winning goal for the Bridgeport Islanders in the sweep of your squad’s AHL affiliate. All signs are that he is tracking to being a legit NHLer, and that the last year’s gal off was heavily based on his former Liiga team (Karpat’s) mismanagement of him, something that his own former coach actively mentioned when that team was eliminated from their playoff run.

Gal off?

I got nothing against him. But he’s not the kind of player that moves any sort of needle when it comes to moving David pastrnak.

He has said hes looking for top6 players with term.

Not a 33yo player who is going to get worse every year into OTTs competitive window.

Just find another team, or write "any team". Literally nobody every thinks these are good ideas in any other community except NYI fans.n

For comparison on Raty, there's an incredibly recent comparison that most high level public evaluations compare him to - Anton Lundell. Both of them played their age-19(draft+1) years in Liiga, the top Finnish league. Lundell put up 25 points in 28 games during the 2020-21 season; Raty put up 41 points in 47 games this year - about 0.02 points per game less. Lundell came into the league this year and put up 44 points in 65 games playing top-6 minutes on a 58-win team.

I'm not saying that Raty will come over and replicate exactly what Lundell did, but I don't think it's crazy to look at those two players - who both play center, are both left handed shots, and are almost identical sized (6'1"/185 for Lundell & 6'0"/180 for Raty) and say that's it's a very easy comparison to make.

With Wahlstrom, I'm not sure how you could spend as much time on these boards as you do and not have seen all the sturm und drang from Islanders fans over his deployment - for whatever reason, Barry Trotz just did not want to give this kid minutes in the second half of the year.

Wahlstrom through the ASB: 36 GP, 10-8-18, 10.3% shooting, 13:21 TOI - basically a 40-45 point guy that you could easily see being more productive with top-6 minutes.
Wahlstrom in the second half: 37 GP, 3-3-6, 5.0% shooting, 10:48 TOI - this is when you start see him playing a lot of ES time with Casey Cizikas, Matt Martin, and Otto Koivula, not necessarily putting him in a position to succeed!

Is Wahlstrom a slam dunk 30 goal scorer? No, but he looks like he has the tools to develop into one if he's actually, you know, used correctly. The feeling around the Isles fanbase is that Trotz is very demanding of his young players and often took away ice time if they made any mistakes - making them play more conservatively and in a style to avoid mistakes and not play to their strengths. I think you see that very clearly with Oliver Wahlstrom's second half this year, and on a slight tangent, I think there's a thick black line connecting that fact to last month's dismissal of Trotz.

Raty could be lundell, sure. Its also far far far more likely that he’s nothing.

For me this is the scenario where the organization believes that Tanev is the biggest contributor to Kylington's success, if they truly believe that Kylington has turned that corner and is a bonafide top 4 guy that can run a pairing this obviously doesn't make sense. Tanev is gone in a couple seasons and I don't want to be caught holding the bag on a multimillion dollar Kylington deal where he's the turnover happy, lost in his own end version of himself. If this was the offer for Kylington I would be willing to run Mackey Tanev next season. Tough this off season because the UFA pool for D isn't overly deep, I'd only really look at Kulak as an affordable replacement

and this thought is based on what exactly? success in Liiga has had a very strong correlation to success in the NHL for young players; Sebastian Aho-the good one-put up slightly better numbers(45 pts in 45GP) than Raty in his first season after being drafted as a teenager. tons of scouts had Raty projected as a top 5 pick in the 2021 draft as recently as during the runup to the 2020 draft; he fell because most of his coaches before Jukurit were trying to push him to be more than he was at the time instead of being patient with his development.

if you're going to say it's 'far far far more likely that he's nothing", i'm all ears as to why you think this and eagerly awaiting what you'll bring to back it up.

Decades and decades and decades of stupid fanbases declaring so and so, “the next guy.” The always find their reasons. Comparable. This that and the other thing. Lord knows bruins fans do it. Kohklachev. That was a good one. Studnicka. I’m guilty as anyone for that, and still blame cassidy for stunting his development. Vaakainanen, same as studnicka. And on and on and on. A second round pick that hasn’t touched NHL ice yet probably isn’t going to amount to anything. Its just how the prospect game works. Maybe he’s good, but probably not.

I don't think Kylington has earned a big contract, don't get me wrong. He was very streaky this year. I think he should be given a 1 year "prove-it" deal. But as you said the UFA pool is pretty subpar for defense this year so Calgary is probably better off keeping him right now IMO

Please, neither of Kohklachev, Studnicka or Vaakanainen was ever considered to be a potential top-3 pick in their draft classes, Räty was trending that way until his actual draft year, this season he bounced back big time and was one of the best players in Liiga as a 19-year old. This kid is not your typical 2nd round pick. - Though of course he still needs to actually become that player, same for Wahlström, but the way you undervalue Beauvillier, Räty, Wahlström and the 13th pick here is ridicolous. If Bruins decide to trade Paštrnák it will definitely be for a similar package, probably less to be honest, you always trade for potential otherwise it’s a hockey-deal, but how often do we see those happen with players like Paštrnák?

I missed this earlier but wanted to circle back on this point - you realize that Raty was drafted last summer, right? There's only 7 players (out of 224) from last year's draft that saw NHL ice time this year, and only 2 of those 7 were on the ice for more than 10 games. If we were talking about a 2nd rounder from like, the 2018 draft? I'd buy what you're selling - but I think acting like he's a bust because he's a 19 year old that only *just* came over for a handful of AHL games at the end of the year is an absolutely strange hill to find yourself on.