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2021-2022 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #10 - Kadri oh Kadri, wherefore art thou Kadri?

Aug. 9, 2022 at 5:54 p.m.
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I can’t see Severson being worth more than Marino in a trade
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Aug. 9, 2022 at 5:54 p.m.
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
Points-per-game
Hughes: 1.14
Pettersson: 0.85

Hughes as many points in per game basis as Pettersson and Hoglander combined. And Hughes is two-and-a-half years younger than Pettersson.


Wrong.

CAREER 166 44 64 108 0.65 Jack Hughes
CAREER 245 97 124 221 0.90 Pettersson

Not sure what statline you’re using to fit your argument. This is per Dobber Fantasy and Pettersson also has a better 3 year average obviously.
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Aug. 9, 2022 at 5:55 p.m.
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Do you mean at best? At worst he’s top 5 center in the league? I mean every team wishes their center was at worst top 5 I guess. I’m not sure why y’all are so down on Pettersson for. He had 49 points in 40 games in the second half of this season when he finally recovered from his injury. That’s a 100 point pace…


Hughes had 48 points in 35 games in the second half of the season when he finally recovered from his injury. That's a 112 point pace...

Stop with these one sided arguments
Aug. 9, 2022 at 5:56 p.m.
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Its pretty close but the 2.5 year gap between them is pretty significant. Id take Hughes
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Aug. 9, 2022 at 5:56 p.m.
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I’m going by games played Hughes highest games played is 61.

Pettersson blows that away with 80, or we can go 68 + 17 playoff games for 85. That’s a noticeable difference instead of using percentages. Pettersson has over a point per game playoffs to pair with that if you wanna value that.


That was a shortened season. 61/69 games placed. Hughes also played 56/56 games. Percentages are a WAY more accurate representation.
Aug. 9, 2022 at 5:57 p.m.
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I can’t see Severson being worth more than Marino in a trade


I can take Jack Hughes slander from time to time, I know people are slow to appreciate greatness when introduced to it. No biggie.
But someone badmouthing my boi Severson on a hockey forum, well that's just beyond the pale.
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Aug. 9, 2022 at 5:58 p.m.
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That was a shortened season. 61/69 games placed. Hughes also played 56/56 games. Percentages are a WAY more accurate representation.


56 games isn’t a full season. Technically yes; realistically, no not close. It would be like saying I worked a full week during Christmas break using 2 stat holidays. Did I work a full week? Yes. Did I work a full work week? No.
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Aug. 9, 2022 at 5:58 p.m.
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I can take Jack Hughes slander from time to time, I know people are slow to appreciate greatness when introduced to it. No biggie.
But someone badmouthing my boi Severson on a hockey forum, well that's just beyond the pale.


You want Sandin for Severson 50% retained?
Aug. 9, 2022 at 5:59 p.m.
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56 games isn’t a full season.


It was in 2020-21
Aug. 9, 2022 at 6:00 p.m.
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It was in 2020-21


Use my full quote
Aug. 9, 2022 at 6:00 p.m.
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Edited Aug. 9, 2022 at 6:06 p.m.
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You want Sandin for Severson 50% retained?


I'd consider it if it were up to me, big fan of Sandin's game.
I am holding out for a Severson - Garland swap though, just makes too much sense for both teams imo.
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Aug. 9, 2022 at 6:01 p.m.
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Quoting: Devil
Hughes had 48 points in 35 games in the second half of the season when he finally recovered from his injury. That's a 112 point pace...

Stop with these one sided arguments


Right but on top of Pettersson’s 100 point pace in the second half of the season, he also has multiple 65+ point seasons including one with 66 in 68 games.
Aug. 9, 2022 at 6:01 p.m.
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56 games isn’t a full season. Technically yes; realistically, no not close.

You can’t knock a guy for playing literally every single game that was physically possible to play…
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Aug. 9, 2022 at 6:02 p.m.
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Wrong.

CAREER 166 44 64 108 0.65 Jack Hughes
CAREER 245 97 124 221 0.90 Pettersson

Not sure what statline you’re using to fit your argument. This is per Dobber Fantasy and Pettersson also has a better 3 year average obviously.


Most recent season.

Using career numbers is not apples-to-apples.

Jack played two seasons as a teenager.
Pettersson played 10 games as teenager.
Aug. 9, 2022 at 6:03 p.m.
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If you guys are going back and forth making the exact same post only swapping out the name of Hughes/Pettersson depending on which team you’re a fan of, maybe it’s time to give it a break. Leave ACGM trolls to argue about the bs obviously lopsided trades in ACGM and agree that Hughes/Pettersson both have elite upside, but are unproven (Petey due to regression, Hughes due to less pro experience) and injury prone.


I have said several times that Hughes is an elite player with superstar potential yet I keep getting yelled at because I point out that his 49 game sample size isn’t enough to grant him that title YET
Aug. 9, 2022 at 6:03 p.m.
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You can’t knock a guy for playing literally every single game that was physically possible to play…


I’m not knocking him for that season. The argument is has Hughes played more than 61 games? No. Has Hughes played a full NHL season? Yes* COVID SEASON.
Petey has cleared 61 games handedly.
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Aug. 9, 2022 at 6:03 p.m.
#1167
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Most recent season.

Using career numbers is not apples-to-apples.

Jack played two seasons as a teenager.
Pettersson played 10 games as teenager.

Nitpicking and bias. I’m a fan of neither player.
If Hughes can be a top 5C he should be held to the Standard of players like Crosby or McDavid who could play at 18 or 19 and produce. If Hughes wants to be a top player in the game he wouldn’t say don’t count my first two season.
Aug. 9, 2022 at 6:04 p.m.
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I can’t see Severson being worth more than Marino in a trade


I agree. I also see Ty Smith somewhere between Tim Stutzle and Brady Tkachuk.
Aug. 9, 2022 at 6:04 p.m.
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Why you keep mentioning "one season"? You don't think Hughes can repeat those numbers? What else are we supposed to base it on? Diversity your argument


Well we are talking about which one is better right now correct? Hate I once told you that I believe Pettersson will get 100 points consistently? No because that’s irrelevant when arguing about their current skill and production
Aug. 9, 2022 at 6:04 p.m.
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Right but on top of Pettersson’s 100 point pace in the second half of the season, he also has multiple 65+ point seasons including one with 66 in 68 games.


He's also 2.5 years older with more NHL experience. Idk what you're trying to argue anymore at this point. Seems like random cherry picked stats while changing topics
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Aug. 9, 2022 at 6:05 p.m.
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You can’t knock a guy for playing literally every single game that was physically possible to play…

You’re absolutely right but hopefully a 56 game regular season never happens again
Aug. 9, 2022 at 6:06 p.m.
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He's also 2.5 years older with more NHL experience. Idk what you're trying to argue anymore at this point. Seems like random cherry picked stats while changing topics


Doesn’t Pettersson have only 1 more year of NHL experience? You’re making it sound like Pettersson is an NHL veteran…
Aug. 9, 2022 at 6:08 p.m.
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I meant the worst scenario for NJ.


I’m confused. You believe that Jack Hughes at his worst is a top 5 center? His floor is top 5 center? What’s his ceiling? Better than McDavid?
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Aug. 9, 2022 at 6:09 p.m.
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I’m confused. You believe that Jack Hughes at his worst is a top 5 center? His floor is top 5 center? What’s his ceiling? Better than McDavid?


No, I meant the worst case scenario is the idea of NJ trading Hughes to VAN (or anywhere else) and then Hughes turning into a top5 center.
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Aug. 9, 2022 at 6:09 p.m.
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Most recent season.

Using career numbers is not apples-to-apples.

Jack played two seasons as a teenager.
Pettersson played 10 games as teenager.

Pettersson had 10 goals in his first 10 games. Guess that makes him a goal per game as a teenager.


Nuff said 😤
 
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