With you on Miller. Could swap prospects but not including Morrow or Drury for sure. VAN probably rejects which is fine. Deal doesn’t make a ton of sense between the two past the surface level “oh no patches hurt we need a replacement”

What exactly does acquiring Bishop and Little do?

I wouldn’t include the first, particularly since it’s unlikely he gets extended. I would drop it to a 2nd and that’s the most I’d be willing to give up.

One of them enables the trade for Miller and cap compliance during the season and opens the possibility of Patches coming back to the roster if he’s healthy at the end of the year. It also enables adding a LHD to replace Gardiner (or keeping Gardiner if you so choose).

Honestly, the LTIR thing was done to demonstrate that you really can’t just put Patches on LTIR and go get another scorer unless you are 100% sure he doesn’t come back until the playoffs.

I don't see why the Canucks don't just give Miller up for free considering his contract will end in a yr.

I think the Canes would give up a first in ‘24 for Miller, and additional assets too, as long as the prospects do not include their top tier assets.

I think this should work for both side. I really don’t see anyone giving up top prospects for Miller.

Acquiring a player who is already on LTIR without sending cap back in no way helps a team in need of cap space. You get their contract on the cap, then you get the cap relief of their contract (if you were right at the cap prior to LTIRing). The only thing this does is get rid of accrued cap space. So I’m effect, it hurts you and doesn’t help in any way.

More LTIR money to use

Canes can do just that by executing the Miller trade first, and keeping Patches off LTIR.

Edited - this has to happen before the season starts to work.

That is a weak offer, I'd imagine they've probably turned down better already.

Thanks for the feedback - as mentioned, this is the best I’d do for Miller. If they’ve received better and turned it down, they’ve made a mistake.

I think that’s the point tho. Canes fans have seen a million Miller to CAR deals and no matter how we explain that it’s unlikely Canes give up Morrow or Necas or Drury in a deal and provide logic and precedent for why not, they keep coming. This is the best offer or similar to what the best offer would be and I’d fully expect it to get beat by other teams which is why Miller to CAR is unlikely

Ya I think it would be unwise to expect any top prospects or picks for your best player who just scored 99 points.

Realistically Morrow, 23' 1st would be a start.

I can guarantee every offer actually received by the Canucks has been better than this. GMs would get laughed out of the group text if they tabled offers anywhere close to this. No one cares that you are clutching your pearls. No real life GM would waste their time with an offer this bad.

While I appreciate the sarcasm - JT Miller has a 557 game sample size of being a 0.64 ppl guy prior to this year, only to see that total close to double.

I am a big fan of JTM and would love to see him as a Cane…but there are 31 other teams who see nine years more indicative than one.

It’s a good thing we are all just f’ing around on the internet

Which is why it’s likely he ends up elsewhere. Seems like expectations for trade returns are always high on here and then the returns tend to be underwhelming. I’m sure a team will pony up a first and a good prospect but doubt it’s much beyond that for a rental.

If patches is not on LTIR, this team (the one you constructed) is under the cap. That doesn’t change whether bishop and little are on the roster/LTIR or never acquired.

Except for the trade for Miller, removing Bear/Gardiner cap hits via trade, Signing a vet LHD, and the possibility of Patches being back in March…you’re right it slides right under the cap.

The little trade makes some sense, with moving out Gardiner, but trading for Bishop cannot help your cap situation at all.

Minor detail but Sabres need Bishop's cap hit on their IR to keep us over the floor, especially seeing as we might trade a player or two at TDL and therefore will likely lessen our cap hit

Good stuff. I didn’t realize, I thought they’d already hit the floor and already had Bishop on LTIR.

We are 1.8 mil over as of now with Bishop on LTIR. But if we trade a guy or want more roster flexibility, then we need a larger cap hit contract like Bishop's to help us do that.

Wonder if Gards has BUF on his list

Ya a first and a top prospect is what it'll likely be. Might be lower right now because teams dont have cap but once we see injuries and get closer to the deadline a 1st and prospect is pretty realistic to expect.