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In the immortal words of BSB - Tell me why

Created by: EmilieCastonguay

Team: 2022-23 Vancouver Canucks

Initial Creation Date: Aug. 29, 2022

Published: Aug. 29, 2022

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

0.5) PoHoJR and GMPA bite the bullet and buyout Tucker Poolman. in later years, it's basically a rounding error at less than $1M. Sorry, Tucker. You seem like a good guy, but you were overpaid and overextended on term by a management team that had zero clue. Not your fault, but this is a business. Hope your migraines resolve.

1.) CAR follows in the footsteps of TBL, VGK. Yes, they signed Paul Stastny. Solid player. Good journeyman. I see an opportunity for JT to skate on the 2nd line as constructed, either at the wing or centre. This is good thing for CAR - it pushes depth players down the lineup which makes CAR stronger especially come playoff time when they can miraculously revive the corpse of Pacioretty.

I've heard all the arguments about why Morrow is untouchable. Believe me. This is a fair offer for a team that wants to win *now*. He can still develop at school and then potentially join the Canucks in '23-24.

2. Dermott can go to WPG for a 3rd round pick. He's not sexy, but he is redundant here. He can help WPG next season and they have a cost controlled asset to use in trade or to resign.

3. DiPietro is going somewhere for futures. It's obvious the Canucks have judged him as surpassed by Silovs and the signing of Delia. He needs a fresh start. I said CHI, but it could be anywhere.

4. Figure the Kings can't match a $3M offer sheet for Durzi. Sucks for them to lose him, but if a team can afford to lose RHD, its the LAK.

Free Agent Signings

RFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Durzi, Sean		3	$3,000,000

Offer Sheets

Offer sheet annual average (AAV) is calculated by dividing the contract value by the lower of: 1. The contract length, or 2. Five years

PLAYER	AAV	COMPENSATION
Durzi, Sean	$3,000,000	2023 2nd round pick

Trades

VAN

Bear, Ethan
Morrow, Scott [Reserve List]
2023 1st round pick (CAR)

CAR

Miller, J.T. ($2,625,000 retained)

VAN

2023 3rd round pick (WPG)

WPG

Dermott, Travis

VAN

Future Considerations

CHI

DiPietro, Michael

Buyouts

Braden Holtby: $1,900,000
Jake Virtanen: $500,000
Tucker Poolman: $1,166,667

Retained Salary Transactions

J.T. Miller: $2,625,000 (50%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2023
2024
2025

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

EMBED

TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$82,500,000	$80,630,834	$1,250,000	$2,000,000	$1,869,166

Roster

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Mikheyev, Ilya $4,750,000$4,750,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 4	Pettersson, Elias $7,350,000$7,350,000 C, LW UFA - 2	Boeser, Brock $6,650,000$6,650,000 RW UFA - 3
Kuzmenko, Andrei $950,000$950,000 ($850,000$850K) LW, RW UFA - 1	Horvat, Bo $4,125,000$4,125,000 C UFA - 1	Podkolzin, Vasily $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) RW, LW RFA - 2
	Dickinson, Jason $2,650,000$2,650,000 C, LW UFA - 2	Garland, Conor $4,950,000$4,950,000 RW, LW UFA - 4
Höglander, Nils $891,667$891,667 ($300,000$300K) LW, RW RFA - 1	Joshua, Dakota $825,000$825,000 LW UFA - 2	Lazar, Curtis $1,000,000$1,000,000 RW, C UFA - 3
Pearson, Tanner $3,250,000$3,250,000 LW M-NTC UFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Hughes, Quinn $7,850,000$7,850,000 LD UFA - 5	Durzi, Sean $3,000,000$3,000,000 LD/RD RFA - 2	Demko, Thatcher $5,000,000$5,000,000 G UFA - 4
Ekman-Larsson, Oliver $7,260,000$7,260,000 LD NMC UFA - 5	Myers, Tyler $6,000,000$6,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 2	Martin, Spencer $762,500$762,500 G UFA - 2
Rathbone, Jack $850,000$850,000 LD UFA - 2	Bear, Ethan $1,800,000$1,800,000 RD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Burroughs, Kyle $750,000$750,000 LD/RD UFA - 1		Ferland, Micheal $3,500,000$3,500,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 1
Schenn, Luke $850,000$850,000 RD UFA - 1
Lockwood, William $750,000$750,000 RW UFA - 1

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Boeser, B.		Horvat, B.		Podkolzin, V.
	Hughes, Q.		Pettersson, E.

Power Play 2
Kuzmenko, A.		Lazar, C.		Garland, C.
	Rathbone, J.		Höglander, N.

Penalty Kill 1
	Mikheyev, I.	Lazar, C.
	Hughes, Q.	Durzi, S.

Penalty Kill 2
	Dickinson, J.	Horvat, B.
	Ekman-Larsson, O.	Myers, T.

Aug. 29, 2022 at 5:15 p.m.

SellTheTeam

I hate this team

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"canes aren't trading for a rental"

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Aug. 29, 2022 at 5:19 p.m.

EmilieCastonguay

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Quoting: vapodz

"canes aren't trading for a rental"

Canes have cap space to resign him. If they invested limited assets in Brent Burns and Max Pacioretty, and paid on promise for a 3rd line Centre in Kotkaniemi, they likely would invest in a PPG player like JT Miller.

Aug. 29, 2022 at 5:20 p.m.

spockrock

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Edited Aug. 29, 2022 at 5:35 p.m.

Quoting: EmilieCastonguay

They don’t give 30yr olds max extensions.

They don’t pay rental prices.

Move along, zero chance they trade that much for Miller

In the future if you feel the need to have to explain an obvious overpayment to another team’s fan base, that’s probably a tell that you’re way off.

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Aug. 29, 2022 at 5:29 p.m.

jgimp69

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The last thing the Jets need is another LHD

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Aug. 29, 2022 at 5:49 p.m.

vikhodush

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Quoting: EmilieCastonguay

The situations aren’t alike. They don’t pay guys long term deals entering their 30s. They stick to their guns and let those guys walk or trade them - Dougie, Nino, Troch, etc.

Return might be fair but the canes are probably the least likely team to pay that price for JT rental Miller. You can keep giving your rationale till you’re blue in the face - not going to change how the management team has historically operated and continues to operate this season. Also don’t get how you take what they did with Burns and Patches this offseason, or what they did with KK who is in his early 20s and compare that to what they’d have to do with somebody like Miller. The situations couldn’t be further from each other and are literally showing you how the team does business which is opposite of your rationale.

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Aug. 29, 2022 at 5:52 p.m.

IconicHawk

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Quoting: spockrock

Quite frankly teams shouldn’t be giving 6+ year contracts to players over 30

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Aug. 29, 2022 at 6:19 p.m.

spockrock

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Quoting: IconicHawk

Quite frankly teams shouldn’t be giving 6+ year contracts to players over 30

Yep.

I’d be hesitant to give 5yrs to a 30yr old. The Canes have recently been burned by giving Gardiner 4yrs. It’d have to be a very special player on the wrong side of 30 for the Canes to consider an 7-8yr extension. Miller just ain’t it.

Aug. 29, 2022 at 6:23 p.m.

InRodWeTrust

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We answered this one a month ago. And every single day since.

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Aug. 29, 2022 at 6:24 p.m.

EmilieCastonguay

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Quoting: IconicHawk

Quite frankly teams shouldn’t be giving 6+ year contracts to players over 30

But teams do. And will continue to do so. Because the player a.) performs and b.) can likely be buried on LTIR like so many others have done before when they outlive their usefulness.

Aug. 29, 2022 at 6:28 p.m.

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EmilieCastonguay

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Quoting: spockrock

Jeez. I agree this is a young players game, but the way people write about JT Miller, it seems like the Canucks should just take him behind the shed and treat him like Old Yeller.

Aug. 29, 2022 at 6:57 p.m.

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spockrock

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Quoting: EmilieCastonguay

Jeez. I agree this is a young players game, but the way people write about JT Miller, it seems like the Canucks should just take him behind the shed and treat him like Old Yeller.

Might have better luck with that than extracting the delusional values Canucks’ fans place on 1yr of his services

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Aug. 29, 2022 at 7:13 p.m.

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evelutions2

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Quoting: EmilieCastonguay

Just because they have the capability, doesn’t mean they will act on it. Especially with something that would be as stupid as this move.

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Aug. 29, 2022 at 7:14 p.m.

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klassic

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Chicago doesn't need a goalie. They have enough in NHL/AHL.

Aug. 30, 2022 at 12:19 a.m.

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Reason

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Personally I don't like the value for Vancouver, and I think the majority of Canuck fans on here overvalue Miller. Canes fans will tell you Morrow is the next Makar but in reality he's a B+ prospect. B+ prospect, late 1st and Bear don't quite do it for me.

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