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If Dach is a center we need a winger and a RHD

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Team: 2023-24 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 11, 2022
Published: Dec. 11, 2022
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Just want to be clear. This is not a playoff team. But it's heading in the right direction.
Free Agent Signings
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2$900,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
6$7,875,000
3$2,000,000
Trades
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  1. Kakko, Kaapo
  2. Trouba, Jacob
Additional Details:
Trouba immediately becomes the Habs best RHD. This also allows them to move Guhle back to his natural spot.
Kakko is a bit of a gamble, but let's assume we are getting him at something of a discount because his play is not currently the play of a top 6 player and he is approaching "bust" territory.
NYR
  1. Anderson, Josh
  2. Savard, David
  3. 2023 2nd round pick (MTL)
  4. 2025 1st round pick (MTL)
Additional Details:
Rangers get a serviceable RHD for their 3rd pairing in Savard. He's nothing to write home about but he can help a playoff team with his shot blocking and physical play
Rangers get a replacement middle 6 RW in Anderson who really needs a fresh start
Since the 2 players the Rangers are giving up are younger and have significantly better upside, albeit poor stats this year, they get a 1st for Trouba and a 2nd for Kakko
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MTL
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  1. Wideman, Chris
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Waivers or Buried
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  1. 2023 2nd round pick (LAK)
LAK
  1. Edmundson, Joel
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TDL 2023
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    Dec. 11, 2022 at 2:58 p.m.
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    Trouba has a NMC and just got named captain. He’s not getting traded
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    Dec. 11, 2022 at 2:58 p.m.
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    trouba wont be waiving to go back to Canada, his wife is a practicing DR in the States, that is why he forced his way out of Winnipeg, she cant work in Canada
    Dec. 11, 2022 at 2:59 p.m.
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    C'mon man, you have to know the captain of the Rangers isn't waiving for Montreal.
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    Dec. 11, 2022 at 3:01 p.m.
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    Quoting: mv21227
    Trouba has a NMC and just got named captain. He’s not getting traded


    He's playing 3rd pair. I don't think he signed for 8M to be a 3rd pair defender behind Fox & Schneider. I'm saying it solves a need for both teams.
    Dec. 11, 2022 at 3:02 p.m.
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    Quoting: coga16
    trouba wont be waiving to go back to Canada, his wife is a practicing DR in the States, that is why he forced his way out of Winnipeg, she cant work in Canada


    Interesting. Did not know the personal backstory.
    Dec. 11, 2022 at 3:04 p.m.
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    Interesting. Did not know the personal backstory.


    I might have gotten some of the details wrong, but its something along those lines, they needed to be in the States to do her Medical Residencies etc, its all about his wife's career in the states
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    Dec. 11, 2022 at 3:04 p.m.
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    Quoting: palhal
    C'mon man, you have to know the captain of the Rangers isn't waiving for Montreal.


    Not sure. Players have done stranger things after being demoted. He's not having a great year and he's playing behind Fox & Schneider. I doubt that's what he wanted when he signed either.
    Dec. 11, 2022 at 3:07 p.m.
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    Not sure. Players have done stranger things after being demoted. He's not having a great year and he's playing behind Fox & Schneider. I doubt that's what he wanted when he signed either.


    Don't know how a player that plays over 21m a night is behind anyone. Fox gets more time because he has PP minutes. But say he is behind Schneider....c'mon.
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    Dec. 11, 2022 at 3:16 p.m.
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    I can see us being interested in Edmundson, and maybe not waiting for the trade deadline, but I'd hate to spend a second-round draft pick on him -- I'd much rather give you a player (like Walker or Durzi) and a middling pick. And our cap situation might rule out an Edmundson-for-pick-only swap.
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    Dec. 11, 2022 at 3:17 p.m.
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    Don't know how a player that plays over 21m a night is behind anyone. Fox gets more time because he has PP minutes. But say he is behind Schneider....c'mon.


    was kind of curious myself so checked it out. Trouba is 3rd for 5v5 time, TOI time, and Time per game at 21.05. Fox is top in everything and then Trouba Lingren are 2-3 in every category, Miller rounds out the top 4. They run those pairs more than any other

    Common mistake peoplee make is look at a lineup card and assume they are getting "bottom minutes" bc what a team posts as their starting line up.
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    Dec. 11, 2022 at 3:27 p.m.
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    He's playing 3rd pair. I don't think he signed for 8M to be a 3rd pair defender behind Fox & Schneider. I'm saying it solves a need for both teams.


    Doesn't matter, he's blocking every trade to Canada. This is well known
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    Dec. 11, 2022 at 3:30 p.m.
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    Edited Dec. 11, 2022 at 5:26 p.m.
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    Not sure. Players have done stranger things after being demoted. He's not having a great year and he's playing behind Fox & Schneider. I doubt that's what he wanted when he signed either.


    Terribly sad & wrong! Straight out of tmz. Trouba is our minute munching beast captain who is single-handedly fighting to keep this boat afloat lol. Sophomore slumps, kids, lack of depth & grit are simply forcing him to do too much. Trouba & NYR laugh considering Kakko is developing into another Kreider type and JoshA is the dump here, as well as Savard.
    Dec. 11, 2022 at 3:34 p.m.
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    Quoting: coga16
    was kind of curious myself so checked it out. Trouba is 3rd for 5v5 time, TOI time, and Time per game at 21.05. Fox is top in everything and then Trouba Lingren are 2-3 in every category, Miller rounds out the top 4. They run those pairs more than any other

    Common mistake peoplee make is look at a lineup card and assume they are getting "bottom minutes" bc what a team posts as their starting line up.[/quote

    Agree with your narrative. I'll tell how it works for the Leafs and I'm sure it similar to other players /teams.
    When everyone is healthy. Reilly gets the most minutes. For two reasons I see, he starts the periods and plays "easy minutes" on the PP. Not sure if that makes him the "best" Leaf Dman.
    The much maligned 2m Holl, plays 21m a night. Lots of PK time. No PP time as the Leafs use a forward on the right point on the PP.
    I just don't understand why the 3rd ranked team, 3rd in GAA, and folks constantly malign Holl who plays hard minutes.
    Not saying Holl is a good as Reilly of course, just saying even so called "third pairing' Dmen who play 15 minutes better be NHL capable. They can't be sheltered the whole game.
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    Dec. 11, 2022 at 4:11 p.m.
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    He's playing 3rd pair. I don't think he signed for 8M to be a 3rd pair defender behind Fox & Schneider. I'm saying it solves a need for both teams.


    He has been averaging over 21 minutes a night. So even if he starts on the quote on quote 3rd pair, he gets a lot more minutes than that. 21 minutes is top 3 minutes on any team.
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    Dec. 11, 2022 at 4:45 p.m.
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    I can see us being interested in Edmundson, and maybe not waiting for the trade deadline, but I'd hate to spend a second-round draft pick on him -- I'd much rather give you a player (like Walker or Durzi) and a middling pick. And our cap situation might rule out an Edmundson-for-pick-only swap.


    Maybe it works at the TDL. Very interested in Durzi. Less so in Walker, but I am open to any trade that moves a Veteran LD out
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    Dec. 11, 2022 at 4:48 p.m.
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    Terribly sad & wrong! Straight out of tmz. Trouba is our minute munching beast captain who is single-handedly fighting to keep this boat afloat lol. Sophomore slumps, kids, lack of depth & grit are simply forcing him to do too much. Trouba & NYR laugh, infact picks would be going the wrong way considering Kakko is developing into another Kreider type and JoshA is the dump here, as well as Savard.


    I'm confused on the picks going the wrong way comment. I sent you a 1st and a 2nd. Are you saying NYR should be sending back to MTL a 1st and a 2nd?
    Dec. 11, 2022 at 4:49 p.m.
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    I am not giving up all that for Trouba and Kakko, it's just not a rebuilding type of move and we aren't looking to compete. Anderson + Savard = Trouba and Kakko = 2nd or 3rd. You have overpaidby a 1st (even if it is 2 years from now)
    Dec. 11, 2022 at 5:08 p.m.
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    I am not giving up all that for Trouba and Kakko, it's just not a rebuilding type of move and we aren't looking to compete. Anderson + Savard = Trouba and Kakko = 2nd or 3rd. You have overpaidby a 1st (even if it is 2 years from now)


    I mean... I think it's a rebuilding move. Kakko is young and can still turn it around in a new environment (I hope).

    Trouba is the right age that he fits our timeline and I honestly couldn't think of a better partner to mentor Guhle.

    You can't only have kids and terrible vets on your team. At one point you need some talented vets who can actually keep up with the kids.
    Dec. 11, 2022 at 5:28 p.m.
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    I'm confused on the picks going the wrong way comment. I sent you a 1st and a 2nd. Are you saying NYR should be sending back to MTL a 1st and a 2nd?


    Sorry my mistake, it's so lopsided I thought the picks we're going your way also lol.
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    Dec. 11, 2022 at 5:36 p.m.
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    Sorry my mistake, it's so lopsided I thought the picks we're going your way also lol.


    No worries. So STILL lopsided?
    Dec. 11, 2022 at 5:51 p.m.
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    I mean... I think it's a rebuilding move. Kakko is young and can still turn it around in a new environment (I hope).

    Trouba is the right age that he fits our timeline and I honestly couldn't think of a better partner to mentor Guhle.

    You can't only have kids and terrible vets on your team. At one point you need some talented vets who can actually keep up with the kids.


    Kakko is too much of a long shot to have a ton of value.

    Trouba is 28 and will be 30-32 by the time we are looking to compete. I would rather have a 24-26 year old, who will be 26-28 when we are looking to compete than a guy who is on the wrong side of 30.
    Dec. 11, 2022 at 5:57 p.m.
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    Kakko is too much of a long shot to have a ton of value.

    Trouba is 28 and will be 30-32 by the time we are looking to compete. I would rather have a 24-26 year old, who will be 26-28 when we are looking to compete than a guy who is on the wrong side of 30.


    I get it... But I think Guhle & Xhekaj especially could benefit from having a guy like Trouba around.
    Dec. 11, 2022 at 6:18 p.m.
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    We're not at a point where we need wingers. Next year will be a trial season for everyone up front, much like this year has been for the defense.
    Giving ice time to several unproductive players isn't hurting us right now, but it wouldn't be helpful to throw in another few young guys while our defense is figuring out how to play at the NHL level.

    We just need to continue to be patient. We more or less have a top line and are developing a fresh battalion of defense. It's going well (perhaps too well). If that's all we accomplish this season, it's enough.

    We could use a veteran RHD that will support the development of our defense core for a few years, in order to keep everyone on their side (or at least give us the option to keep them there). Trouba is too high of a target. We don't need a good player, we need a physically and mentally competent one that is fine taking a back seat to development.

    Harris and Kovacevic would make a decent 3rd pair and have performed well enough together.
    The only way we're going to get Barron into the lineup is alongside Guhle or Xhekaj. Something to test out nearer the end of the season.
    That leaves Matheson with Savard if Edmundson is moved (which he probably should be, to open up some room).
    Xhekaj will likely continue to be a 7th D in rotation unless he is able to play with more discipline and be more selective as an enforcer. You simply can't be relied on if you are fighting 2-3 times a month. Tough players need to get the job done within the rules and during the play for the most part, and he needs to figure out how to punish opponents another way.
    Dec. 11, 2022 at 6:27 p.m.
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    Quoting: Campabee
    I am not giving up all that for Trouba and Kakko, it's just not a rebuilding type of move and we aren't looking to compete. Anderson + Savard = Trouba and Kakko = 2nd or 3rd. You have overpaidby a 1st (even if it is 2 years from now)


    lol if nils lundkvist got a 1st+ then the rangers are not giving up their best young player for peanuts and giving up their captain for two cap dumps. This trade is horrendous for the rangers
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    Dec. 11, 2022 at 6:36 p.m.
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    I get it... But I think Guhle & Xhekaj especially could benefit from having a guy like Trouba around.


    I am looking for guys like Durzi or Hronek (if available) or others who are still young but who may still be available dut to depth of their own teams.
     
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