If you want Horvat this is the price

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22	$82,500,000	$77,762,917	$1,250,000	$932,500	$4,737,083

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Miller, J.T. $5,250,000$5,250,000 C, LW, RW UFA - 1	Pettersson, Elias $7,350,000$7,350,000 C, LW UFA - 2	Boeser, Brock $6,650,000$6,650,000 RW UFA - 3
Mikheyev, Ilya $4,750,000$4,750,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 4		Garland, Conor $4,950,000$4,950,000 RW, LW UFA - 4
Kuzmenko, Andrei $950,000$950,000 ($850,000$850K) LW, RW UFA - 1	Åman, Nils $883,750$883,750 ($82,500$82K) C RFA - 2	Lazar, Curtis $1,000,000$1,000,000 RW, C UFA - 3
	Joshua, Dakota $825,000$825,000 LW UFA - 2	Studnicka, Jack $762,500$762,500 RW, C RFA - 2
	Dries, Sheldon $762,500$762,500 C UFA - 2
	Pederson, Lane $750,000$750,000 C UFA - 1

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Hughes, Quinn $7,850,000$7,850,000 LD UFA - 5	Myers, Tyler $6,000,000$6,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 2	Martin, Spencer $762,500$762,500 G UFA - 2
Ekman-Larsson, Oliver $7,260,000$7,260,000 LD NMC UFA - 5	Bear, Ethan $1,800,000$1,800,000 RD UFA - 1	Delia, Collin $750,000$750,000 G UFA - 1
Stillman, Riley $1,350,000$1,350,000 LD RFA - 2	Schenn, Luke $850,000$850,000 RD UFA - 1
Burroughs, Kyle $750,000$750,000 LD/RD UFA - 1
Niemelä, Topi $856,667$856,667 RD RFA - 3

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
	Demko, Thatcher $5,000,000$5,000,000 G UFA - 4	Ferland, Micheal $3,500,000$3,500,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 1
	Pearson, Tanner $3,250,000$3,250,000 LW M-NTC UFA - 2	Poolman, Tucker $2,500,000$2,500,000 RD UFA - 3
		Dermott, Travis $1,500,000$1,500,000 LD/RD UFA - 1

Dec. 27, 2022 at 12:35 p.m.

#1

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He’s on a heater shooting 10% higher than his career average. That is the worry, that kind of sh% is just unattainable. To continue that sh% he would be producing at a higher rate than Gretzky and ovi. It’s pretty safe to assume he’s not going to continue producing at a generational scoring rate the rest of his career

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Dec. 27, 2022 at 12:36 p.m.

#2

Kyle_Okposo_Lover

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I love Horvat but I really do hope that the Canucks's fan base can simmer down their hopes. I just dont want all of these AGM fans to think they are getting a king's random then be dissapointed. These mock trades are absolute best case scenario for Vancouver. Is this value possible? Sure. But it is far more likely he goes for a trade like this but instead of Niemela, its a B-C prospect instead. Horvat has made it clear he does not intend to stay unless Vancouver goes up in their offer and the Canucks seem hesitant to do so, and if he heads to free agency he is going to get overpaid somewhere. IMO a more realistic mock would be:

2023 1st
2024 2nd
William Villeneuve
Rodion Amirov

This is just my guess. Could sub out Minten for Amirov, too.

Dec. 27, 2022 at 12:42 p.m.

#3

Byrr

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Thank you Mr. Allvin. I'll let Kyle know.

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Dec. 27, 2022 at 12:46 p.m.

#4

Tennisman142

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Copp was actually traded for two second round picks with conditions. One of the conditions was if the rangers reached the ECF the second would turn into a first

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Dec. 27, 2022 at 12:47 p.m.

#5

Brad_Treliving

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Lol Leafs will just hang up the phone and turn their eyes to ROR who I prefer way more than Horvat

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Dec. 27, 2022 at 12:48 p.m.

#6

Brad_Treliving

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Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom

I love Horvat but I really do hope that the Canucks's fan base can simmer down their hopes. I just dont want all of these AGM fans to think they are getting a king's random then be dissapointed. These mock trades are absolute best case scenario for Vancouver. Is this value possible? Sure. But it is far more likely he goes for a trade like this but instead of Niemela, its a B-C prospect instead. Horvat has made it clear he does not intend to stay unless Vancouver goes up in their offer and the Canucks seem hesitant to do so, and if he heads to free agency he is going to get overpaid somewhere. IMO a more realistic mock would be:

2023 1st
2024 2nd
William Villeneuve
Rodion Amirov

This is just my guess. Could sub out Minten for Amirov, too.

All that for a rental? I would take out the 2023 first and the Leafs consider

Dec. 27, 2022 at 12:49 p.m.

#7

MaxBorjshlapsky

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More than reasonable for a first round ask, I think a 2024 1st and a good 25 year old on a nice contract like sandin would get him but no question Horvat gets a first round pick. Maybe Vancouver can send back a second round in the deal, Horvat makes any team much better. He's going to land where a team needs a good second or third centre which is 10 different playoff bound groups either east or west, he will get moved and he'll sign a big offseason deal too in my opinion, going to be fun to watch.

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Dec. 27, 2022 at 12:50 p.m.

#8

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Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom

I love Horvat but I really do hope that the Canucks's fan base can simmer down their hopes. I just dont want all of these AGM fans to think they are getting a king's random then be dissapointed. These mock trades are absolute best case scenario for Vancouver. Is this value possible? Sure. But it is far more likely he goes for a trade like this but instead of Niemela, its a B-C prospect instead. Horvat has made it clear he does not intend to stay unless Vancouver goes up in their offer and the Canucks seem hesitant to do so, and if he heads to free agency he is going to get overpaid somewhere. IMO a more realistic mock would be:

2023 1st
2024 2nd
William Villeneuve
Rodion Amirov

This is just my guess. Could sub out Minten for Amirov, too.

Idk, just to use Toronto as a template I think Horvat could return one of Minten or Niemala to Van just not both.

The poster of this uses the Copp trade as an example and I think thats pretty much what Horvat will get but with a better prospect then M.Barron was.

Dec. 27, 2022 at 12:53 p.m.

#9

palhal

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That's his price? Why? No team is going to offer that or more. By your logic then, Horvat remains a UFA, and walks in summer from the Canucks.

Why do folks think the Leafs need Horvat? Yeah he would be nice but other teams need a centre a lot more than the Leafs.

Dec. 27, 2022 at 12:53 p.m.

#10

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Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom

I love Horvat but I really do hope that the Canucks's fan base can simmer down their hopes. I just dont want all of these AGM fans to think they are getting a king's random then be dissapointed. These mock trades are absolute best case scenario for Vancouver. Is this value possible? Sure. But it is far more likely he goes for a trade like this but instead of Niemela, its a B-C prospect instead. Horvat has made it clear he does not intend to stay unless Vancouver goes up in their offer and the Canucks seem hesitant to do so, and if he heads to free agency he is going to get overpaid somewhere. IMO a more realistic mock would be:

2023 1st
2024 2nd
William Villeneuve
Rodion Amirov

This is just my guess. Could sub out Minten for Amirov, too.

I'm sorry but Niemala is not an A tier prospect. Jiricek, Nemec, Hughes, and Edvinsson are A tier prospects. Niemala is producing sure but he's basically the right handed version of Elias Pettersson (D) who is probably worth a second/third round pick. 8 pts in 30 games in the Liiga is nowhere near "A" tier. He is said "B/C" level prospect and Minton probably has more value.

Dec. 27, 2022 at 12:56 p.m.

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Quoting: coga16

He’s on a heater shooting 10% higher than his career average. That is the worry, that kind of sh% is just unattainable. To continue that sh% he would be producing at a higher rate than Gretzky and ovi. It’s pretty safe to assume he’s not going to continue producing at a generational scoring rate the rest of his career

yeah but hes a good Canadian boy 100% of the time so you gotta factor that in.

Dec. 27, 2022 at 12:59 p.m.

#12

MarsBar

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There’s a lot of teams that’ll have better offers than that proposal… Also it’s been reported that they want a roster player back in any trade.

Dec. 27, 2022 at 1:03 p.m.

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Quoting: MarsBar

There’s a lot of teams that’ll have better offers than that proposal… Also it’s been reported that they want a roster player back in any trade.

Know what teams heading to the playoffs aren't trading? Roster players. It's a non-sense ask.

Dec. 27, 2022 at 1:05 p.m.

#14

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Quoting: coga16

He’s on a heater shooting 10% higher than his career average. That is the worry, that kind of sh% is just unattainable. To continue that sh% he would be producing at a higher rate than Gretzky and ovi. It’s pretty safe to assume he’s not going to continue producing at a generational scoring rate the rest of his career

The rest of his career is not the 30 or so games he'll play plus 7 games in the playoffs with Toronto. I think he'll continue to produce just fine for the rest of the season. Here's an article as well if you want to figure out why he's so dangerous instead of calling it unrealistic. https://theathletic.com/4029945/2022/12/26/bo-horvat-canucks-goal-scorer-adam-oates/

Dec. 27, 2022 at 1:07 p.m.

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Quoting: MarsBar

There’s a lot of teams that’ll have better offers than that proposal… Also it’s been reported that they want a roster player back in any trade.

I bet he gets trades to the Canes for Noel Gunler (AHL roster player), Dylan Coughlan (NHL roster player), a first, and a conditional second (If they win the cup or make the Eastern Conference finals)

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Dec. 27, 2022 at 1:13 p.m.

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Quoting: bogdown

I bet he gets trades to the Canes for Noel Gunler (AHL roster player), Dylan Coughlan (NHL roster player), a first, and a conditional second (If they win the cup or make the Eastern Conference finals)

I could see Vegas trading Nicolas Roy as the roster player in return for Horvat.

Dec. 27, 2022 at 1:33 p.m.

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Quoting: bogdown

The rest of his career is not the 30 or so games he'll play plus 7 games in the playoffs with Toronto. I think he'll continue to produce just fine for the rest of the season. Here's an article as well if you want to figure out why he's so dangerous instead of calling it unrealistic. https://theathletic.com/4029945/2022/12/26/bo-horvat-canucks-goal-scorer-adam-oates/

That’s not the point. You are saying he’s a skilled 90 point player. And teams aren’t interested in the kings ransom for 30+ games.

He’s going to regress in terms of goal production, this isn’t a personal opinion that’s just how statistical medians work. Good him to not he would have up become a statistical sh% anomaly.

Horvat is a good player no one is Denying that but there is a glass ceiling with him and smart teams are aware and roll be buyer beware

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Dec. 27, 2022 at 1:46 p.m.

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Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom

I love Horvat but I really do hope that the Canucks's fan base can simmer down their hopes. I just dont want all of these AGM fans to think they are getting a king's random then be dissapointed. These mock trades are absolute best case scenario for Vancouver. Is this value possible? Sure. But it is far more likely he goes for a trade like this but instead of Niemela, its a B-C prospect instead. Horvat has made it clear he does not intend to stay unless Vancouver goes up in their offer and the Canucks seem hesitant to do so, and if he heads to free agency he is going to get overpaid somewhere. IMO a more realistic mock would be:

2023 1st
2024 2nd
William Villeneuve
Rodion Amirov

This is just my guess. Could sub out Minten for Amirov, too.

I think Robertson would be the guy instead of Amirov. They won't be trading a kid battling cancer.

Dec. 27, 2022 at 1:52 p.m.

#19

delneggs

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Shades of last years JT Miller "over value" posts. At least Canuck fans are consistent. And as a note - The Rangers traded for Copp with every intention of signing him long term, so that trade isn't comparable to a true "rental" trade.

Dec. 27, 2022 at 2:00 p.m.

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Quoting: coga16

That’s not the point. You are saying he’s a skilled 90 point player. And teams aren’t interested in the kings ransom for 30+ games.

He’s going to regress in terms of goal production, this isn’t a personal opinion that’s just how statistical medians work. Good him to not he would have up become a statistical sh% anomaly.

Horvat is a good player no one is Denying that but there is a glass ceiling with him and smart teams are aware and roll be buyer beware

While he is obviously not going to be a 60 goal scorer for the rest of his career, contenders would likely see his hot streak and try to ride it out for the season. A contender acquiring Horvat will likely only keep him for the season.

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Dec. 27, 2022 at 2:00 p.m.

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Quoting: delneggs

Shades of last years JT Miller "over value" posts. At least Canuck fans are consistent. And as a note - The Rangers traded for Copp with every intention of signing him long term, so that trade isn't comparable to a true "rental" trade.

I'm sure your GM told you that

Dec. 27, 2022 at 2:14 p.m.

#22

delneggs

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Quoting: Juiceman

I'm sure your GM told you that

He did

Dec. 27, 2022 at 2:16 p.m.

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coga16

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Quoting: Juiceman

While he is obviously not going to be a 60 goal scorer for the rest of his career, contenders would likely see his hot streak and try to ride it out for the season. A contender acquiring Horvat will likely only keep him for the season.

Lots of contenders are asset poor right now as well, I don’t think it’s a slam dunk that contenders will shell out their remaining top assets for a pure rental

Horvat will be moved but I do believe it will be less than what most assume.

Dec. 27, 2022 at 2:28 p.m.

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Quoting: Juiceman

While he is obviously not going to be a 60 goal scorer for the rest of his career, contenders would likely see his hot streak and try to ride it out for the season. A contender acquiring Horvat will likely only keep him for the season.

Far too many other fans harp on his goals & sh% & either ignore or don’t know the rest that makes Bo a beast. He’s got great character, consistent, faceoffs very good, scores big goals & PO tested & passes with flying colours.

It will come down to the arms race & what team has the assets to offer up. I’m fine if he resigns in Van.

Dec. 27, 2022 at 4:20 p.m.

#25

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if you wanna trade horvat, you're gonna be real disapointed with the return

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