I am confused and a trade

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Created by: Kyriakos_Grizzly

Team: 2022-23 Florida Panthers

Initial Creation Date: Feb. 8, 2023

Published: Feb. 8, 2023

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

I thought the Panthers needed more Cap space so they can get Duclair back in the lineup. They have over 500k Cap space with Duclair in the lineup. What I am missing here?

Trade itself:

Some Wings fans say we should trade our UFA's for futures only and some say that we need to get immediate help. This trade brings in both.
If Vrana is traded / Bought out: Wings need to bring in another goals scorer. Couple picks going back to Detroit for retaining money and giving the Panthers more Cap room. Bertuzzi and Duclair are both 27y old with pretty similar numbers. Duclair has one more year left on his deal while Bertuzzi is a UFA.

Trades

FLA

Bertuzzi, Tyler ($2,375,000 retained)

Additional Details:

Bertuzzi brings the "playoff style" hockey that Paul Maurice wants from his players.

DET

Duclair, Anthony
2024 5th round pick (PHI)
2025 4th round pick (CGY)

Additional Details:

Vrana's replacement.

Buyouts

Keith Yandle: $5,391,667
Scott Darling: $1,183,333

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2023
2024
2025

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LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$82,500,000	$78,920,834	$637,500	$2,700,000	$3,579,166

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Verhaeghe, Carter $4,166,667$4,166,667 LW UFA - 3	Barkov, Aleksander $10,000,000$10,000,000 C NMC UFA - 8	Reinhart, Sam $6,500,000$6,500,000 RW UFA - 2
Bertuzzi, Tyler $0$0 LW, RW UFA - 1	Bennett, Sam $4,425,000$4,425,000 C UFA - 3	Tkachuk, Matthew $9,500,000$9,500,000 RW UFA - 8
Cousins, Nick $1,100,000$1,100,000 LW, C UFA - 2	Lundell, Anton $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) C, LW RFA - 2	White, Colin $1,200,000$1,200,000 C, RW UFA - 1
Lomberg, Ryan $800,000$800,000 LW, RW UFA - 2	Luostarinen, Eetu $1,500,000$1,500,000 LW, C UFA - 2	Smith, Givani $750,000$750,000 LW, RW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Forsling, Gustav $2,666,667$2,666,667 LD UFA - 2	Ekblad, Aaron $7,500,000$7,500,000 RD NMC UFA - 3	Bobrovsky, Sergei $10,000,000$10,000,000 G NMC UFA - 4
Staal, Marc $750,000$750,000 LD UFA - 1	Montour, Brandon $3,500,000$3,500,000 RD UFA - 2	Knight, Spencer $925,000$925,000 ($1,850,000$2M) G RFA - 1
Mahura, Josh $750,000$750,000 LD/RD RFA - 1	Gudas, Radko $2,500,000$2,500,000 RD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Tierney, Chris $750,000$750,000 C UFA - 1		Hörnqvist, Patric $5,300,000$5,300,000 RW M-NTC UFA - 1
Staal, Eric $750,000$750,000 C UFA - 1
Fitzgerald, Casey $750,000$750,000 RD UFA - 1

Feb. 8, 2023 at 11:21 a.m.

MoreHitzSeider

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Red Wings decline. I think they can do better in a Bert trade. I think his value is much higher than it is on CFACGM. 🤭

Bert certainly would be a good fit in Sunrise.

Feb. 8, 2023 at 11:23 a.m.

Herb_Brooks

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gotta love the term playoff style for a guy who has never once played in the playoffs

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Feb. 8, 2023 at 11:24 a.m.

Kyriakos_Grizzly

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Quoting: Herb_Brooks

gotta love the term playoff style for a guy who has never once played in the playoffs

That is true, but you know what I mean.

Feb. 8, 2023 at 11:25 a.m.

palhal

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Quoting: Herb_Brooks

gotta love the term playoff style for a guy who has never once played in the playoffs

Just to add....Panthers are in 11th place in the East. Panthers/Bertuzzi and playoffs doesn't seem to combination we will see in the spring of 2023.

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Feb. 8, 2023 at 11:28 a.m.

Lenny7

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Quoting: MoreHitzSeider

Red Wings decline. I think they can do better in a Bert trade. I think his value is much higher than it is on CFACGM. 🤭

Bert certainly would be a good fit in Sunrise.

I don't necessarily think he's being undervalued, but I also don't know if this is the right fit for the Wings.

Healthy Bertuzzi was very solid. The issue that I have is that the return from hand surgery rarely results in the player coming back and being 100% immediately after.

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Feb. 8, 2023 at 11:31 a.m.

MoreHitzSeider

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Quoting: Lenny7

Bert would fit on any playoff team. GM's know this which is why he'll get a much better return than CFACGM posters think.

Feb. 8, 2023 at 11:31 a.m.

Kyriakos_Grizzly

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Quoting: palhal

Just to add....Panthers are in 11th place in the East. Panthers/Bertuzzi and playoffs doesn't seem to combination we will see in the spring of 2023.

I didn't say anything about the playoffs. I spoke about Bertuzzi's playstyle.

Feb. 8, 2023 at 11:32 a.m.

MoreHitzSeider

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Quoting: Herb_Brooks

gotta love the term playoff style for a guy who has never once played in the playoffs

Kris Draper won 4 Cups. Marcel Dionne won zero Cups. Draper must've been better.

Feb. 8, 2023 at 11:35 a.m.

Lenny7

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Quoting: palhal

Just to add....Panthers are in 11th place in the East. Panthers/Bertuzzi and playoffs doesn't seem to combination we will see in the spring of 2023.

I'm still not on the "Florida is going to miss the playoffs" train, but yeah, it's a pretty big longshot right now. I think it's more just disbelief at how they've fallen off, but how do you expect to win with that D-core, and missing Ekblad a lot of the time.

Realistically, they probably need 44 pts in their last 29 games to even come close to sniffing the last wildcard spot. That's slightly better than the .700 pts percentage that they've put up in their past 10 games, in which they've gone 6-2-2 (Which would get them 41 pts.).

Would need a pretty incredible finish to the season.

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Feb. 8, 2023 at 11:36 a.m.

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Herb_Brooks

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Quoting: MoreHitzSeider

Kris Draper won 4 Cups. Marcel Dionne won zero Cups. Draper must've been better.

Bertuzzi hasnt played a single second of playoff hockey. not sure what draper and Dionne have to do with this.

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Feb. 8, 2023 at 11:37 a.m.

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ricochetii

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Projected cap hit doesn't include the performance bonuses.
Lundell and Knight have performance bonuses which aren't included. If they hit them, they may just go into the overage pool for next season if Florida is at the limit this year. Would have to review the rules to be certain.

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Feb. 8, 2023 at 11:37 a.m.

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Jfstompers

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I'd take Bert for duclair straight I don't need picks. I'd rather duclair than the middling 2nd rounder we'd get for Bert

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Feb. 8, 2023 at 11:48 a.m.

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Needing cap space was from before Hornqvist went on LTIR. It's a problem that will come back when he needs to come off.

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Feb. 8, 2023 at 11:52 a.m.

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Kyriakos_Grizzly

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Quoting: Jfstompers

I'd take Bert for duclair straight I don't need picks. I'd rather duclair than the middling 2nd rounder we'd get for Bert

I would do that as well.

It feels like some fans don't think beyond the immediate future. Duclair has a cheap Cap hit (-3,000,000). If Duclair plays well in Detroit, I am sure a team would pay more for him than for Bertuzzi (2nd round pick ?).

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Feb. 8, 2023 at 12:01 p.m.

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Quoting: Herb_Brooks

gotta love the term playoff style for a guy who has never once played in the playoffs

Kind of like calling Anderson a playoff beast with 14 points in 43 games.

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Feb. 8, 2023 at 12:05 p.m.

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Quoting: aedoran

Kind of like calling Anderson a playoff beast with 14 points in 43 games.

both are incorrect statements

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May 10, 2023 at 11:14 p.m.

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Kyriakos_Grizzly

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Quoting: Herb_Brooks

gotta love the term playoff style for a guy who has never once played in the playoffs

Quoting: palhal

Just to add....Panthers are in 11th place in the East. Panthers/Bertuzzi and playoffs doesn't seem to combination we will see in the spring of 2023.

😏

May 10, 2023 at 11:22 p.m.

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palhal

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Quoting: Kyriakos_Grizzly

😏

Wasn't I speaking of the Carolina Panthers? Kinda funny, the high flying Bruins obtain Bertuzzi for their playoff push. And the Panthers 40 points behind the Bruins, fourth in the Atlantic, catch fire at the end of the season, beat the 1st Bruins in round one and looks like the 2nd place Leafs in round two.

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