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Team: 2022-23 San Jose Sharks
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 21, 2023
Published: Feb. 21, 2023
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32 thoughts thinks San Jose wants mostly picks and Grier is holding his hand and waiting until he gets a proper offer. They made it seem like San Jose wants multiple picks in this years 1st round which the blues can do.
Trades
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SJS
  1. 2023 1st round pick (TOR)
  2. 2023 1st round pick (NYR)
Additional Details:
Lebrun on insider trading states Blues are willing to move 2 1st rounds for Timo Meier. I see that as the start of the trade, likely another piece or two in here.
STL
    Meier
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    1. Perfetti, Cole
    2. 2023 1st round pick (WPG)
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    Lebrun states the jets have asked about Meier, join the party
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      Meier
      3.
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      1. Morrow, Scott [Reserve List]
      2. Rees, Jamieson
      3. 2023 1st round pick (CAR)
      4. 2023 2nd round pick (CAR)
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      Always been rumored to be in on Meier even without an extension. Beginning to hear that the good prospects are “untouchable” and that may push them out of contention for Meier
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        Meier
        4.
        SJS
        1. Nemec, Simon
        2. 2023 1st round pick (NJD)
        Additional Details:
        Devils have serious competition for Meier. Fans seems to think they are owed Timo Meier for a while. They have to pony up now and make a serious offer to compete.

        Yet another team with “untouchables” that may have to bend to get Meier. 32 thoughts talked about Grier holding his position and waiting until teams give in on his wants more.
        NJD
          Meier
          5.
          SJS
          1. Brisson, Brendan
          2. Cormier, Lukas
          3. 2023 1st round pick (VGK)
          4. 2024 1st round pick (VGK)
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          32 thoughts talks about how Vegas May have to pay a special tax for San Jose to consider trading their star player to Vegas.

          They also don’t have any A or top prospects
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            Feb. 21, 2023 at 7:46 p.m.
            #26
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            While I don't see the Blues wanting to be involved in this, Meier next to Thomas or Kyrou would be phenomenal
            Feb. 21, 2023 at 7:50 p.m.
            #27
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            Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61
            laugh laugh First off the Blues aren't offering both the 25th and 27 picks for Meiers, it's one or the other not both. the other will probably be used to go after Jakob Chychrun.

            And besides most teams linked to Timo Meier, can still offer a heck of a lot more than St Louis even including Detroit.

            Yeah no. Arizona is asking for 3 first round picks in value on assets. Which means one or two of your top prospects plus a 1st Round pick. Meier will probably be 2 1sts as well.
            Feb. 21, 2023 at 7:51 p.m.
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            Quoting: CheechYou
            Yeah I'm not sure if that was sarcastic or not or which Sharks fans you've been interacting with. Hell, I'd even consider (key word, consider) a one-for-one Nemec-Meier deal. I think Nemec+a 2nd or Nemec+a 1st for Meier+Reimer is a good compromise.


            It was from Sheng Peng's price-setting piece which Sharks fans have been following.
            Feb. 21, 2023 at 7:51 p.m.
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            I can’t take the blues rumour seriously for 5 seconds they are clear sellers who are clearly out of the playoff race
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            Feb. 21, 2023 at 7:51 p.m.
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            There is almost no chance the Jets include Perfetti in a deal.
            Feb. 21, 2023 at 7:52 p.m.
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            Quoting: HeadHighSauce
            Do you think the Blues are trading you a lottery pick this year? Genuinely?

            I agree that would beat 28+Holtz, but I just cannot imagine that pick is possibly available.

            Even if there is "more to the deal" on STL's end, the devils can almost certainly beat that "more" with their own "more"


            Quoting: HeadHighSauce
            Do you think the Blues are trading you a lottery pick this year? Genuinely?

            I agree that would beat 28+Holtz, but I just cannot imagine that pick is possibly available.

            Even if there is "more to the deal" on STL's end, the devils can almost certainly beat that "more" with their own "more"

            I doubt it Holtz was overrated already Blues have Snuggerud which is genuinely more appeasing, Quality>Quantity so I completely disagree with you.
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            Feb. 21, 2023 at 7:52 p.m.
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            Quoting: glarson17
            Moving a prospect and late 1st for a bona fide star goal scorer will have zero repercussions on a franchise


            No but doing so and spending 10m more on one forward with our defense and goaltending most certainly will. We aren’t a Meier away from competing. Adding him to the core would be wonderful. But don’t look for us to get in an arms race and be receptive of it.
            Feb. 21, 2023 at 7:53 p.m.
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            Quoting: IconicHawk
            I can’t take the blues rumour seriously for 5 seconds they are clear sellers who are clearly out of the playoff race

            This is more long term not the near future. This wouldn’t put us in a playoff hunt right now it was just get the barrel rolling for the Defenseman core revamp in the off season.
            Feb. 21, 2023 at 7:53 p.m.
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            Wait a sec. Are you implying picks 25 and 27 are worth Simon Nemec and a 1st????
            Feb. 21, 2023 at 7:54 p.m.
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            Quoting: AC14
            No but doing so and spending 10m more on one forward with our defense and goaltending most certainly will. We aren’t a Meier away from competing. Adding him to the core would be wonderful. But don’t look for us to get in an arms race and be receptive of it.


            Not a Meier away, but clearly this move would include moving out a Top defenseman which would start a quick revamp
            Feb. 21, 2023 at 7:54 p.m.
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            Quoting: CheechYou
            Yeah I'm not sure if that was sarcastic or not or which Sharks fans you've been interacting with. Hell, I'd even consider (key word, consider) a one-for-one Nemec-Meier deal. I think Nemec+a 2nd or Nemec+a 1st for Meier+Reimer is a good compromise.


            We’re gonna stick with 1st/Holtz/Mukh or Casey. No desire to push more chips on the table. If this deal can’t be done without Hughes or Nemec, we’re good. Take our chances with free agency, we’re in no rush our window is just opening.
            Feb. 21, 2023 at 7:56 p.m.
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            Quoting: CheechYou
            It's insane to me that Blues fans think that two picks in the late-20s gets Timo Meier.

            I’m a blues fan and I agree with this comment.
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            Feb. 21, 2023 at 7:58 p.m.
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            Quoting: AC14
            No but doing so and spending 10m more on one forward with our defense and goaltending most certainly will. We aren’t a Meier away from competing. Adding him to the core would be wonderful. But don’t look for us to get in an arms race and be receptive of it.


            That’s fair, I don’t think Meier is making 10 mil a year on extension
            Feb. 21, 2023 at 7:59 p.m.
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            Quoting: Shylo_Moxii
            Not a Meier away, but clearly this move would include moving out a Top defenseman which would start a quick revamp


            Moving out a defensemen is great and all. But, who waives you somebody that is going to give you anything beneficial?

            Losing Krug makes the most sense. But then our powerplay which has carried most of our scoring this year is a mess.

            Losing Parayko makes the least sense but would probably have the most suitors. But be prepared to give up 5+ goals a night for 2-3 years until someone is developed.

            Losing Faulk is doable but who plays 19-20 minutes on RD that’s coming in return and has a beneficial impact to the game?

            I would love for the Blues to acquire Meier trust me, but we are not in a position to get in an arms race for him at all. Moving both firsts isn’t the worst thing in the world, nor would he losing one of the late firsts and Bolduc. But I don’t see us winning an arms race with NJD, nor do I see any team trading a top prospect before gauging where they fit in to sign a guy to a 10m/year extension.
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            Feb. 21, 2023 at 8:01 p.m.
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            Personally, Blues CAN beat out NJ for Meier, but should they. That’s the question I’m going to answer and it’s absolutely not. Blues fans like Meier and Chychrun. I don’t think either of them should be options. Chychrun is too expensive for my taste, and Meier certainly is a great player but brings cap hell. He’s a comparable to Kyrou already. Revamping the D core is an absolute must. So unless we get another first for Barbashev to spare and somehow offload Krug and/or Leddy and bring someone that doesn’t cost an arm and leg I don’t see how you can really fix this with Meier. To sum it all up, I don’t want the team to just outshoot its problems lol.
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            Feb. 21, 2023 at 8:02 p.m.
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            Quoting: Windjammer
            There is almost no chance the Jets include Perfetti in a deal.


            Yes we know, you think Timo is worth a bag of pucks
            Feb. 21, 2023 at 8:02 p.m.
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            Quoting: IconicHawk
            I can’t take the blues rumour seriously for 5 seconds they are clear sellers who are clearly out of the playoff race


            So you don’t think Pierre Lebrun is plugged in?
            Feb. 21, 2023 at 8:04 p.m.
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            Quoting: Tbrew
            Wait a sec. Are you implying picks 25 and 27 are worth Simon Nemec and a 1st????


            Obviously you can’t read because it’s part of a package.
            Feb. 21, 2023 at 8:04 p.m.
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            Quoting: AC14
            Moving out a defensemen is great and all. But, who waives you somebody that is going to give you anything beneficial?

            Losing Krug makes the most sense. But then our powerplay which has carried most of our scoring this year is a mess.

            Losing Parayko makes the least sense but would probably have the most suitors. But be prepared to give up 5+ goals a night for 2-3 years until someone is developed.

            Losing Faulk is doable but who plays 19-20 minutes on RD that’s coming in return and has a beneficial impact to the game?

            I would love for the Blues to acquire Meier trust me, but we are not in a position to get in an arms race for him at all. Moving both firsts isn’t the worst thing in the world, nor would he losing one of the late firsts and Bolduc. But I don’t see us winning an arms race with NJD, nor do I see any team trading a top prospect before gauging where they fit in to sign a guy to a 10m/year extension.


            THIS is what I’m actually with you on. Krug makes the absolute most sense, I’d also like to see Leddy get dealt. You’d have to find a replacement that isn’t made of plastic, tape, and some gorilla glue. It’s easier to find a puck moving D than it is to find a Defensive guy. As much as everyone feels Parayko is bad. This has been sort of an outlier all in all. I’d be ok finding a replacement but I don’t want to pay an arm and a leg for Chychrun and I definitely don’t want us to outshoot our defensive struggles.
            Feb. 21, 2023 at 8:05 p.m.
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            Quoting: RV23
            We’re gonna stick with 1st/Holtz/Mukh or Casey. No desire to push more chips on the table. If this deal can’t be done without Hughes or Nemec, we’re good. Take our chances with free agency, we’re in no rush our window is just opening.


            Any word on that Holtz injury? I think many people are down on Holtz with his lack of playing, skating issues and now injury on top of that
            Feb. 21, 2023 at 8:07 p.m.
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            Quoting: CheechYou
            It's insane to me that Blues fans think that two picks in the late-20s gets Timo Meier.


            Looking at Bob McKenzies rankings, that would be Daniil But and Lucas Dragicevic for Timo Meier. Sharks lose that trade 10/10 times
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            Feb. 21, 2023 at 8:13 p.m.
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            Quoting: HeadHighSauce
            Genuine question:

            Do you really think picks 27 and 25 are more valuable than pick 28 and Holtz (et. al)


            First off this.
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            Feb. 21, 2023 at 8:13 p.m.
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            Quoting: glarson17
            Not super big on Holtz after this year is all


            Okay but prospect people still are moderately high on him. the projection has certainly come down but not that far.
            Feb. 21, 2023 at 8:14 p.m.
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            Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61
            laugh laugh First off the Blues aren't offering both the 25th and 27 picks for Meiers, it's one or the other not both. the other will probably be used to go after Jakob Chychrun.

            And besides most teams linked to Timo Meier, can still offer a heck of a lot more than St Louis even including Detroit.


            Beat writer suggests it's so. So I'm guessing yiu have to assume that's a thing.
            Feb. 21, 2023 at 8:17 p.m.
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            Quoting: glarson17
            Any word on that Holtz injury? I think many people are down on Holtz with his lack of playing, skating issues and now injury on top of that


            He’s day-to-day it’s not serious
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