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2022-23 NHL Season Discussion Thread #13: Happy trade deadline day!

Mar. 9, 2023 at 2:18 a.m.
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Mar. 9, 2023 at 6:27 a.m.
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If they're gonna expand, it should be Houston and one of Quebec City/Kansas City/Portland. After failing in Atlanta twice, why would they go back? I also don't understand why the Florida Panthers and Arizona Coyotes haven't been relocated.


It’s simple, Phoenix is the 5th largest city in the US *In theory* it’s an amazing market for fan growth, you also have to consider that it’s not easy to get 32 teams in a stable location, in recent memory, teams like Ottawa, Buffalo, NYI, Florida, Arizona have all struggled with attendance, there are simply markets where if the team isn’t winning, seats don’t really fill up
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Mar. 9, 2023 at 8:41 a.m.
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Mar. 9, 2023 at 9:43 a.m.
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Elliotte Friedman's 32 thoughts:

17. Funny little tidbit about the three-way trade that sent Nick Bonino to Pittsburgh: he had to waive his no-trade to Montreal so the Canadiens could facilitate the extra retention.

You're telling me you have a 5 team no trade clause and Montreals on it? Well **** you and I hope Pittsburgh misses
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Mar. 9, 2023 at 10:24 a.m.
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
Elliotte Friedman's 32 thoughts:

17. Funny little tidbit about the three-way trade that sent Nick Bonino to Pittsburgh: he had to waive his no-trade to Montreal so the Canadiens could facilitate the extra retention.

You're telling me you have a 5 team no trade clause and Montreals on it? Well **** you and I hope Pittsburgh misses


I mean, Montreal's a polaziring market, i wouldn't blame players for not wanting all the attention that comes with being a Habs
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Mar. 9, 2023 at 10:29 a.m.
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Quoting: A_Habs_fan
I mean, Montreal's a polaziring market, i wouldn't blame players for not wanting all the attention that comes with being a Habs


im very surprised sammy wanted to go to the leafs with how he is. he has been handling himself well.
Mar. 9, 2023 at 11:03 a.m.
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Quoting: A_Habs_fan
I mean, Montreal's a polaziring market, i wouldn't blame players for not wanting all the attention that comes with being a Habs


could've also been due to montreal finishing last the previous season. i would imagine that next year a lot of players are going to list columbus, arizona and anaheim as no go locations.
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Mar. 9, 2023 at 11:08 a.m.
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could've also been due to montreal finishing last the previous season. i would imagine that next year a lot of players are going to list columbus, arizona and anaheim as no go locations.


columbus just needs a few pieces and then they will be good
Mar. 9, 2023 at 11:14 a.m.
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columbus just needs a few pieces and then they will be good


they need merzlikins to stop regressing and not have like 10 injuries
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Mar. 9, 2023 at 11:15 a.m.
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Quoting: mondo
they need merzlikins to stop regressing and not have like 10 injuries


i except tarasov to get number 1 spot next year
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Mar. 9, 2023 at 11:30 a.m.
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Quoting: A_Habs_fan
I mean, Montreal's a polaziring market, i wouldn't blame players for not wanting all the attention that comes with being a Habs


The pressure is intimidating to a lot of players, but the best players don't get intimidated. You have to have that confidence in yourself and be willing to work even when you aren't playing well.
If you are avoiding Montreal for that reason, we are most likely better off.
Mar. 9, 2023 at 12:12 p.m.
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Isles might be the only team in the league where half of their regular players are significantly worse than the AHL guys they’ve called up. If clutterbuck gets a spot back in the lineup when he’s healthy the isles will start to lose games.

The top teams in the league usually make the right decisions when it comes to veterans , they don’t cling on to old has beens who were good 5 years ago


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Mar. 9, 2023 at 12:14 p.m.
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Isles might be the only team in the league where half of their regular players are significantly worse than the AHL guys they’ve called up. If clutterbuck gets a spot back in the lineup when he’s healthy the isles will start to lose games.

The top teams in the league usually make the right decisions when it comes to veterans , they don’t cling on to old has beens who were good 5 years ago




That fourth line has been past it’s expired date 4 years ago
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Mar. 9, 2023 at 1:35 p.m.
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columbus just needs a few pieces and then they will be good


They need Bedard...and a few pieces lol.
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Mar. 9, 2023 at 1:38 p.m.
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Quoting: mondo
could've also been due to montreal finishing last the previous season. i would imagine that next year a lot of players are going to list columbus, arizona and anaheim as no go locations.


How often can you update the trade list?

Like lets say its a guy who signed his NTC (creates it) then gets traded like 3-4-5 years later. There is a good chance some teams off the list might be bad now, or teams on the list at the team are good now, can you update the list every year?

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Or is once the NTC trade list created, that's it, no changes?
Mar. 9, 2023 at 1:58 p.m.
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That fourth line has been past it’s expired date 4 years ago


I mean, look at who's at the helm of this organization.
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Mar. 9, 2023 at 2:02 p.m.
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How often can you update the trade list?

Like lets say its a guy who signed his NTC (creates it) then gets traded like 3-4-5 years later. There is a good chance some teams off the list might be bad now, or teams on the list at the team are good now, can you update the list every year?

Edit:

Or is once the NTC trade list created, that's it, no changes?


I think you have to submit your list every year around July 1st ( so when the next year of the contract kicks in )
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Mar. 9, 2023 at 2:04 p.m.
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I mean, look at who's at the helm of this organization.


This is true - however it’s on the coach to make the right decisions and keep the best players in the lineup.
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Mar. 9, 2023 at 2:07 p.m.
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Quoting: A_Habs_fan
I think you have to submit your list every year around July 1st ( so when the next year of the contract kicks in )


It would make sense he had Montreal off the list in this case because we finished last, last year and were terrible all year. I'd have to assume he wouldn't put Montreal on his list this year, but that's just speculation.
Mar. 9, 2023 at 2:09 p.m.
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Quoting: A_Habs_fan
I think you have to submit your list every year around July 1st ( so when the next year of the contract kicks in )


cool thx
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Mar. 9, 2023 at 2:56 p.m.
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It’s interesting how tall players who are usually in good position (and have a good stick) are hated by fans if they aren’t physical
Mar. 9, 2023 at 3:00 p.m.
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It’s interesting how tall players who are usually in good position (and have a good stick) are hated by fans if they aren’t physical


Player A: physical, always goes for hits instead of the puck. only capable at dumping the puck out of the defensive
zone.

Player B: not physical, wins puck battles without going for the hit, can skate the puck out of the zone with possession.

Player A is seen as a player you need to win, player B is often called invisible
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Mar. 9, 2023 at 3:08 p.m.
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Player A: physical, always goes for hits instead of the puck. only capable at dumping the puck out of the defensive
zone.

Player B: not physical, wins puck battles without going for the hit, can skate the puck out of the zone with possession.

Player A is seen as a player you need to win, player B is often called invisible


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Mar. 9, 2023 at 3:17 p.m.
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Quoting: Db1899
It’s interesting how tall players who are usually in good position (and have a good stick) are hated by fans if they aren’t physical


To be fair if u got size but arent utilizing it some could argue its a waste of potential.

As in the case of a guy like Engvall if he played with some grit he would be even better then he is now, everyone would want him, and in the summer Marchment money would be easy.

The one clip that hurts him is last playoffs when he refused to fight hagel and paul and hagel laughed at him.
Mar. 9, 2023 at 3:20 p.m.
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Quoting: MatthewsFan
How often can you update the trade list?

Like lets say its a guy who signed his NTC (creates it) then gets traded like 3-4-5 years later. There is a good chance some teams off the list might be bad now, or teams on the list at the team are good now, can you update the list every year?

Edit:

Or is once the NTC trade list created, that's it, no changes?


Quoting: A_Habs_fan
I think you have to submit your list every year around July 1st ( so when the next year of the contract kicks in )


I believe the only relevant CBA restriction, is that you can't have such clauses active outside of regular UFA eligible years.
Meaning you can't have them until you hit free agency or they can kick in partway through a contract that extends beyond the end of your RFA qualification.

The clauses themselves are not included in a contract or restricted to certain standards and are negotiated separately.
I'd imagine that would include the timelines for submission and ability to alter those lists.
A team might require the list to be submitted prior to the draft for example, or not require it at all until they request it (48 hours notice for example).
A player might want to submit it in the off season and not have to worry about it, or they might simply want you to ask for it only if you are listening to offers.
The general idea is that the player wants to be included in the decision and the team doesn't want to be handcuffed, so the clause itself only "needs" to be invoked when there's an impasse between player and team.
If you are working with the player, you can present them with options and/or request that they waive. If you aren't working with the player, you are stuck with the options they gave you.

(This is to my understanding of course. A lot of technicalities with the inner workings of the NHL aren't publically available. The only update in aware of is the MOU which fixed the issue of teams being able to trade for a player and choose whether to honor their clause. Now the clauses remain regardless of player movement, and can be waived for a single transaction only.)
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