There is no reason for the isles to make that Calgary trade. Dube is a 3rd liner.

Congratulations we’ve found something we both agree on

Amazing

You'd be lucky to finish the sentence before Chicago hung up on you. You want a 2022 3rd rounder, who just had a great season, for a 3rd rounder and 33yo 5m cap dump. I'm not sure 3rd and Bailey for Futures would even get it done.

Zero chance CHI sends Sam Savoie anywhere, for any reason. Also, it would cost AT LEAST a 3rd to dump Bailey, if not more.

NYI might be better off simply buying Bailey out, nobody's going to eat $5m for a 3rd and give NYI a prospect for the privilege.

How many other "3rd liners" have 40 points right now? Chytil, Gourde, Compher?

Engvall, Palmieri, Parise, Pageau & Bailey are 3rd liners. After Anders Lee, Dube would be your Next Best Forward. Dube's a Top-6 Forward

I love Dube and expect him to become a Productive Goal Scorer and Point Producer like Tyler Toffoli and Nasem Kadri, but this is an attractive offer and considering our need for Cap Space, RW'ers and given our log-jam at LW, I think CGY would have to consider or give this proposal some thought anyways

Dube can do it all: LW/C/RW, Power Play, Penalty Kill, 1st/2nd/3rd/4th Line Duties, whatever you need, so he's a very useful two-way utility forward who keeps getting better and better each and every year

Parise, Pageau, and palmieri are all better than Dube . Dube is a terrible 5v5 player , he’s not close to top 6 quality.

Engvall, Wahlstrom, Fasching , Nelson are also better than dube

Nelson, sure, but I didn't mention him, so you either don't know anything about Dube or have no idea what you're talking about if you truly believe any of that

Aside from being better than all those guys (not including Nelson), Dube's also substantially more valuable than all of them too

This isn’t top 6…
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Dube can’t drive offense and he’s terrible defensively. Horrible on the PP. What exactly makes him more valuable?

That's because he was playing on a line with Kadri who has been brutal defensively this season. Look at what he did on the Top Line with Lindholm & Toffoli

Dube's Young, has Consistently Improved Every Season (unlike Wahlstrom who hasn't), comes on a Cheap RFA Contract, is on track for 20+ Goals this season, is an Excellent Penalty Killer, can Play All Forward Positions and Situations. The Guy's a Stud and is only getting better. Maybe watch him play more and you'll see for yourself

Dube is worse defensively than Kadri lol. Lindholm and Toffoli are better without Dube, they are great players

The only thing that you said that is correct is that Dube can PK, he’s one of the worst defensive forwards in the league at 5v5. Just because he plays all forward positions doesn’t mean much, he usually sucks on any line he’s on.


Wahlstroms age 20-22 seasons were significantly better than Dube.

Dube hasn’t even been better than Wahlstrom this season 🤣. Wahlstroms leads him ingoals above replace and wins above replacement .
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Good Defensively Shorthanded on the Penalty Kill, yet Sucks at Even Strength, yeah that makes a ton of sense

Like I said, Dube's been playing all over the place this season, not in one set position or line and playing beside Kadri has affected his Even Strength Defensive Statistics Negatively

Combine this with the revolving door we've had between new acquisitions and at Defence given injuries and personal reasons and almost all the Flames have taken a step backwards and under performed this season, yet Dube came in to camp in the best shape out of everybody and was still able to perform better offensively. He was putting up 1.00PPG with Lindholm & Toffoli who have struggled to find a consistent LW linemate themselves as well. Dube & Toffoli and Dube & Mangiapane are both excellent chemistry combinations

Wahlstrom's good, but he's not improving or on an upward trend offensively like you want and expect to see, so I'd say his value has dropped and Holmstrom is still young, but hasn't looked very impressive in the NHL or AHL for that matter, so his value has to have dropped even more significantly as well

GAR & WAR are attempts to rate a players overall performance with a number, so it is what it is and not exactly the most accurate or best way of analysing a player

at least you got something good out of this lol

I'm waiting for that buyout in excitement, but I wanted to see what we could get out of trading him

The analytics are isolated metrics, Dube has never been good defensively.

Wahlstrom has improved offensively in every season, so I’m not sure what you’re talking about. Holmstrom is likely a bottom 6 defensive forward

Pageau has 35 in 62 (.56 ppg) Dube has 41 in 74 (.55 ppg) if you really cared. 40 points with under 10 games left isn’t a flex

Going from 0PPG to 0.48PPG to 0.33PPG back to 0.46PPG is not "improving offensively in every season", it's called being inconsistent and now he's majorly injured, so...

I think you just want to argue and to be honest I'm not really interested

Pageau also has 13:09 EVTOI + 2:30PPTOI = 15:39 vs. Dube's 12:29 EVTOI + 1:27PPTOI = 12:56, therefore I would expect Pageau to have AT LEAST 21% More Points and PPG (0.67PPG+) than Dube too

Going by points per game is a very flawed argument.

Wahlstroms evo (even strength offense) has improved every year and his points per 60 at 5v5 this season is the best of his career.

The issue is you don’t understand what makes up true offensive impact.

Now you want to use rate stats when it fits your argument. Cmon man lol

PPG is a Personal Production Stat and Goals For or Point For/60 is a Team/Line Stat for when the Player is on the Ice


You gotta look at and consider Ice Time, especially Power Play TOI, otherwise how do you truly compare apples to apples!? There's many other factors too, like how talented their linemates and the defence pairings they play with are, etc.

Bottomline, I'd rather have Dube @ $2.3mil/yr more than Wahlstrom (who doesn't Kill Penalties) for $1.8-2.8mil/yr when he re-signs and more than 30 year old Pageau at $5mil/yr

Dube's simply the More Useful Player and Best Bang for Each Cap Dollar, hence why he's more Valuable via Trade than both Wahlstrom & Pageau atm