I think you're forgetting Lundell and the entirety of FLA's next three drafts in the Bob trade. And replace CBJ's 2nd and 3rd with Gudbranson.

And convince Bob to waive his NTC.

Then you got yourself a deal.

CBJ gets a #1c for a 3c + 3rd? i would pass if im Washington.

Kuzy is not a top 32 c so he's not a 1c

Lol ok

Oh that’s weird, maybe you shouldn’t play him at 1C then lmao

lol oh? flawless logic. Roslovic isnt a top 75 center so the difference in talent is greater than a 3rd. still a bad trade for Washington

that made me lol also.... "Kuzy is not a top 32 c so he's not a 1c" then he proceeds to have him play 1c.

Kuzy is on a trash contact lowering his value

Sure, I'll give you that. He's still worth more than Roslovic and 3rd.

"trash contract" ? lol explain how you came to that conclusion

7.8m for a average of sub 70 points and is lacking in defensive play... only a caps fan could try to justify that as a good contract

Kuzy is...fine. He's averaging .82 ppg, so that's 67 per year. Not quite 1C, too good to be a 2C. I'd take him over someone like Hayes, who's averaging .61 ppg for similar money.

The issue isn't that Kuzy is worth more than Roslovic + 3rd, the issue is (like Hayes) it just doesn't make sense unless CBJ are delusional about the roster construction (which...possible). A tweener 1C past his peak making too much money for his production level, who absolutely doesn't fill a need now (star center, we have so many semi-useful middle-6 guys it's frustrating), and absolutely won't fill a need in 4-5 years when we're actually ready to compete. CBJ spending any assets to get someone like that should be fireable, spending more than a middling center and mid-round pick should be criminal.



This pretty much sums it up, that contract is bottom-3 in the NHL. There's no way you don't clean out Florida to take it, and absolutely no way you send assets back to take it, And Columbus isn't a Bob and a Kuzy away from competing anyway.

If Columbus isn't trying to compete what was the point in signing gaudreau and resigning werenski and Laine?

Since the cup.
332gp 284p. That’s .855ppg or 70p/82gp. Lol yeah he’s terrible.

Yeah I think the jackets pass on both of these trades

Didn't say he's terrible he just not a 1c and is overpaid. Just like trouba trocheck goodrow... people get overpaid but don't expect a fair value trade when they have a bad contract

Kuz is averaging 0.73 PPG. Hayes is at 0.72.

They are both bad at defense. Apparently Hayes at 33% retainer won’t cost much so I would much rather have him

“Overpaid” made me lol. He’s 70p guy making under 8m. At worst that’s appropriate

No one said Columbus isn't trying to compete. They said Columbus isn't a Bob and a Kuzy from being competitive, which is objectively true. You've made an impressive strawman. I guess I'll entertain it anyway.

Those three deals all happened before this season began, and it's not like the team came into this season expecting to be 31st overall on March twenty-seventh. To say otherwise is to use the benefit of hindsight we have now that didn't exist then. Would you have guessed in summer 2018 that NYR would be signing Panarin and drafting first overall in a year and two years respectively? No.

Gaudreau literally fell into Jarmo's lap; I think we can all agree on that. Re-signing Werenski happened two years ago, when things were much more optimistic in Columbus than they are now after this miserable season. And no one was touching Laine in this past summer with the QO he was due and the fact most of the league was cap-strapped. Even teams that expected to be the very bottom of the league this season still signed their RFA's, and Columbus did not expect to be in the lottery conversation.

They signed Gaudreau when they thought they had a good roster, which clearly we do not. Plus, and I can't stress this enough, they got him FOR FREE as a free agent. If you can sign a superstar for free, you do that, period. If they'd traded for him it would be a totally different and more comparable scenario.

Werenski is 25. Laine is 24. They are both signed through 2026/27 (and Werenski longer). They'll be just hitting their prime in 4-5 years when the team is actually ready to compete.

Kuzy would be 34-35 and already 2 years past deal expiration. He doesn't help the window like 2023 draft picks might, and the picks you'd get for flipping him at the 2025 deadline wouldn't be ready with the rest of the new core (Werenski, Laine, Johnson, Marchenko, Chinakhov, Jiricek, Mateychuk, Cuelemans, Tarasov, Bedard/Fantili/Carlsson/???, etc.).

The math just ain't mathing.

I always love this line from others!

"WHY CAN'T COLUMBUS SIGN FREE AGENTS"
*Columbus signs a prime Free Agent*
...
"WHY DID COLUMBUS SIGN A PREMIUM FREE AGENT WHILE THEY ARE STILL IN A RETOOL"

You just can't win...

Basically. Not sure why anyone would look at Bob right now and say either (a) "Yeah, wow, he's gonna take us to the next level," or (b) "Yeah, sure, I'm in a charitable mood, let's bail FLA out of all of their problems."

And again, Bob's not waiving his NTC to leave South Beach for any team that isn't already a Cup Contender (i.e. a team that doesn't need Bob in net/ doesn't have the cap to begin with).



Agreed, and even then, looking at all of the "premier" FAs that CBJ either traded or let walk, how many of them actually look like they would have been worthwhile to keep?

Panarin...and...?

Duchene is the only other one who's looked really good at times, and pretty good most of the time. But at 32, $8M AAV, and M-NTC with a 7-team no-trade list kicking in next year, he's not living up to the contract (which might have actually been appropriate if the cap kept increasing). And he certainly wouldn't be carrying CBJ over the hump. Also, we haven't lost a significant free agent since 2019.

I agree, but it’s the narrative people still cling on for CBJ.

IMO, emphasis on “at times.” CBJ needed (and still need) a true 1C, and Duchene just hasn’t been that guy for years, and only looked it in spurts.. The issue with contracts like his is that he was overpaid during his prime production years, and even as the cap rises, it correlates to when we can expect production to decline.

But that’s NSH’s problem.