I cannot IMAGINE the canny Steve Yzerman paying the 15th-18th overall pick in this year's draft (HARDLY a "late 1st") for one year of Mark Scheifele, not to mention the 42nd overall selection, too.

Detroit passes, Not giving up young assets and picks for a 30 year old Centerman who we can just sign for free in 2024, Steve Yzerman was Mark Scheifele's idol growing up plus he was a Diehard Red Wings fan and Andrew Copp is his best friend. Sounds like a perfect partnership in 2024 as a free agent.

Fat chance i see Blake wheeler and Connor Hellebuyck waiving for NJ. I seriously doubt that the NJD are on Wheeler's 4 team trade list. And there are rumblings that after his wife gave birth to their first child. That Connor Hellebuyck wants to play closer to home. Would love to see a Helly/Cossa duo in the coming years in Detroit.

Scheifele to Detroit isn't happening as explained by @OldNYIfan and @HockeyIsMyPassion61. Which is a good thing because you're better off keeping Scheifele and not signing Towes.

The pick position remains to be seen. If it’s a mid teens pick the value is different then if it’s a pick in the 20s for sure.

Just wanted to hear from Detroit fans if there was interest in bringing him in or if they still feel the team is a couple years away.

I think 55 would for sure consider Detroit as a UFA. I think the Jets trade him somewhere he’d like to go this offseason so if that is somewhere other than Detroit he likely doesn’t see free agency. Just like Red Wings fans were sure that Trouba would just sign there as a UFA. If you don’t make a play for the player there is someone else that will.

Last offseason when we stripped the C off him it was rumoured he was willing to expand the list and at this point in his career winning is the most important thing so I think he does waive for the Devils. We’ll have to agree to disagree on if they’d go or not. I think they will and that Helle would extend in Jersey. If you wanted to talk a trade for 37 we could do that but it feels like the preference is just to hope for the best in free agency.

The pick doesn't remain to be seen (it can't be in the 20's unless by some miracle the Islanders advance to the Eastern Conference finals, which won't happen). There are 13 teams guaranteed to finish the season with more points than the Islanders, so the latest that their pick could be is 19th overall, and they're competing with Pittsburgh or Florida plus Winnipeg for that spot; if they miss the playoffs, they're pretty much assured of #15 or #16.

Rumour around town here is that PLD will sign long term here if we trade 55. Who knows if that is true or not but trading him is based on that rumour being true. I can trade Scheif elsewhere but I think we need a stopgap C unless we think one of Perfetti, Lucius, Lambert or Barron can take that spot. Could be Monahan instead of Toews…. We just have $8M to throw at someone to come for 1 year. Doesn’t have to be Toews but I just thought it was fun.

So it remains to be seen…. That’s why they play the games. They could make the playoffs and win. There’s a chance so it isn’t decided yet.

Even if both Bratt and Meier come in around $8,500,000 per long term. And once the NJD sign the rest of their pending RFAs. Plus there's still talk that they might extend Severson as well. it's very doubtful they can afford both Hellebuyck and Wheeler at 50% retained. And for what Hellebuyck will want on his next contract. Very doubtful that New Jersey can afford to extend him long term which is probably going to be in the 7x7 range.

Detroit just isn't trading picks this year. Also likely not trading higher end picks next year as well. He would likely be 32-34 before the red wings are going to be a contender so the fit isn't quite there. If he comes as a free agent on a nice deal then sure.
Hellebuyck would be of interest but again we aren't trading what's required to get him. We would likely have interest in Demelo or Pionk though. I personally would also have interest in Wheeler in Detroit as well but not getting much for him with his age and contact. If he's directly focused on a cup then he wouldn't waive for Detroit anyways.

I've heard he might stay but I haven't heard the Scheifele part until now. I'm not a fan of Towes. It will be interesting to see what happens when free agency opens there are quite a few playoff teams up against the cap so not only could we see some of the rentals available we might see some RFAs hit the market as well.

I think Hellebuyck is a top 5 goalie in the world but even then this is way too much to give up for a rental goalie, they just don't carry that amount of value.
If the Jets could even get one prospect on the level of Holtz or Casey (+ a minor add) when trading Hellebuyck it'd be a major coup.

It’s a well thought out trade idea that factors in both teams situations, so I’d hope Devils fans will appreciate that. I certainly do.

I would probably counter without the forwards and do something smaller for Hellebuyck/DeMelo if it can be done without giving away Holtz.

Wait…so they waive to Detroit but not to New Jersey? That would be an expected decision on both parts. Detroit is in the midst of a multi-year rebuild and New Jersey is currently the youngest among the competitors.

Sure I can see them waiting to free agency but wheeler and hellebuyck would go to NJ in a second if it was an option for them.

Yeah they'd go to NJ in a second if they could

What would your offer be for just Helle then? For me the appeal was really Holtz as a right shot forward with high draft pedigree but that hasn’t broken out yet and will clearly be behind Mercer.

What if the Jets took out Casey and added one of our Russian wingers?

The salary retention is a critical piece for the cap to work for NJ but the return needs to be the same or better than we would get trading the pieces individually.

What are your goalie comp trades you would consider relevant benchmarks for a Helle trade? Patrick Roy is probably the last time a goalie his calibre was moved. Maybe Cory Schneider? Less proven but more team control.

Devils should not be moving all that for one year of Hellebuyk nor should they have any room for Wheeler with Meier and Bratt to sign

I appreciate that. Holtz is the key piece of the return for me but I could explore what Helle with or without retention and DeMelo would look like. I’d want a second for DeMelo, that could be Casey or a pick in this years’ draft. I’d be ok either way.

Without Holtz I’m really not sure why I’d trade Helle to NJ as I could probably get a 2023 1st from someone else so waiting the extra year is pretty unappealing for the rebuild especially when the pick will be super late. What would your offer look like for Helle (with retention or without)?

I'm sure you've seen it; Red Wings would be hardpressed to give a first to a player that will likely want to come to Detroit in free agency. Youre better off selling him as a rental.

Gaudreau really messed up your knowledge of hometown team, eh?

But Gaudreau was not from Columbus. He is from outside Philadelphia. And he was not traded, he signed as UFA.

Can’t see the jackets having interest in this trade

I don't think we need to go back all the way to 1995 to find a reasonable comp for a Hellebuyck trade.
Cory Schneider isn't a terrible comp. At the time he was traded he'd been one of the league's best performing goalies the two previous seasons so he wasn't unproven in the slightest.
Schneider also had two full years left on his very reasonable contract at the time he was traded, the Canucks got the 9th overall pick in return.

You'll recall that not even 2 years ago the reigning Vezina winner MAF got traded for next to nothing to the Blackhawks.
Then there's the Kuemper trade where a surefire cup contender in Colorado gave up what would always gonna be one of the last picks in the 1st rd + a decent prospect (though not bluechip) for one year of Kuemper.

With that in mind I do not think that any team trading for Hellebuyck would be giving up more than what Kuemper went for.
So if the Devils were to trade for Hellebuyck most likely be one of Holtz or Casey being the main piece, with a lesser piece like Thompson, Stillman or a mid rd pick attached.