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My asking price from the team that pays the most for DeBrincat in ACGM

Created by: sensonfire
Team: 2023-24 Ottawa Senators
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 18, 2023
Published: Apr. 18, 2023
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1.
OTT
  1. 2023 1st round pick (WSH)
  2. 2023 2nd round pick (WSH)
  3. 2024 3rd round pick (BOS)
WSH
  1. DeBrincat, Alex [RFA Rights]
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My asking price for DeBrincat is roughly the same amount of value that we paid to acquire him in the first place.


That means:


#8 or #9 overall pick in 2023

#40 overall pick in 2023

The lowest of your three 3rd round picks in 2024
2.
OTT
    You can use either of these players as a substitute for the 3rd round pick:

    > Sonny Milano

    > Nic Dowd

    > Connor McMichael

    > Trevor Van Riemsdyk

    > Vincent Iorio
    WSH
    3.
    OTT
      You can use either of these players as a substitute for the #40 overall pick:

      > Ryan Chesley

      > Nick Jensen
      WSH
      4.
      OTT
        You can use either of these players as a substitute for both the #40 pick in 2023 and the 3rd round pick in 2024:

        > Ivan Miroshnichenko

        > Hendrix Lapierre

        > Darcy Kuemper
        WSH
        Buyouts
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        DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
        2023
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        2024
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        2025
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        ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
        15$83,500,000$68,204,047$0$1,850,000$15,295,953
        Left WingCentreRight Wing
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        $8,205,714$8,205,714
        LW
        UFA - 5
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        $8,350,000$8,350,000
        C
        UFA - 8
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        $6,500,000$6,500,000
        RW, C
        NMC
        UFA - 2
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        $863,333$863,333
        C, LW
        RFA - 2
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        $7,950,000$7,950,000
        C
        UFA - 7
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        $4,975,000$4,975,000
        RW, LW
        UFA - 4
        Logo of the Ottawa Senators
        $762,500$762,500
        LW
        RFA - 1
        Logo of the Ottawa Senators
        $835,000$835,000
        C, RW
        RFA - 2
        Logo of the Ottawa Senators
        $2,950,000$2,950,000
        LW, RW
        UFA - 3
        Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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        $8,000,000$8,000,000
        LD
        UFA - 5
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        $4,600,000$4,600,000
        LD/RD
        M-NTC
        UFA - 2
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        $2,750,000$2,750,000
        G
        UFA - 2
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        $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$1,850,000$2M)
        LD
        UFA - 1
        Logo of the Ottawa Senators
        $4,600,000$4,600,000
        RD
        M-NTC
        UFA - 4
        Logo of the Ottawa Senators
        $916,667$916,667
        LD
        RFA - 2

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        Apr. 18, 2023 at 3:09 p.m.
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        draft picks are Imaginary Awesomeness. Will you really be happy with futures only for the Cat?
        Apr. 18, 2023 at 3:10 p.m.
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        Quoting: earl08
        draft picks are Imaginary Awesomeness. Will you really be happy with furutures only for the Cat?


        That's what Chicago got for the Cat.

        If the best value we can get is futures, then so be it.
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        Apr. 18, 2023 at 3:14 p.m.
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        Quoting: sensonfire
        That's what Chicago got for the Cat.

        If the best value we can get is futures, then so be it.


        if its not a fit then its not a fit...
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        Apr. 18, 2023 at 3:15 p.m.
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        I think this is a fair asking price. I just think that the values you have for players is a little off. I'd do the first and Lapierre. McMichael should be in that same tier as Lapierre.
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        Apr. 18, 2023 at 3:16 p.m.
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        Quoting: brady_t12
        I think this is a fair asking price. I just think that the values you have for players is a little off. I'd do the first and Lapierre. McMichael should be in that same tier as Lapierre.


        I thought McMichael showed tremendous strides last season.

        But he seemed to have lost his way.

        What happened?
        Apr. 18, 2023 at 3:17 p.m.
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        8/9OA this year is worth much more than last years.
        Apr. 18, 2023 at 3:19 p.m.
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        Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER
        8/9OA this year is worth much more than last years.


        We paid 7OA last year.
        Apr. 18, 2023 at 3:19 p.m.
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        Sens need to make the playoffs next year, trading for picks, unless it is a top 10 pic this year, would be out of the question for me.
        I would look for a combo of the following pieces.
        Right handed top 4 D
        - Goalie that is an improvement over Forsgberg that can be a 1-3 year stop gap until Soogard is ready to be #1 Goalie.
        - Bottom six player that has speed can score 10-15 goals and is good on the PK, essentially a replacement for Formenton to round out what would have been one of the best 3rd lines in Formenton - Pinto - Joseph.
        A Top Six RW, however, I would be least likely looking for this, because i think that Grieg can fill his spot as early as next season, or they can run the three top lines and a 4th checking line combo they did for a while this year.
        Top 10 pick in this years draft.
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        Apr. 18, 2023 at 3:20 p.m.
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        Quoting: sensonfire
        I thought McMichael showed tremendous strides last season.

        But he seemed to have lost his way.

        What happened?


        He hasn't had a ton of success at the NHL level, but he's looked great at the AHL level, which is fair because he is 22 and also was drafted in 2019 and had his development muddled by covid. He also hasn't been given a consistent opportunity at center in the NHL, where he thrives in the AHL. If Backstrom retires or Kuznetsov is moved, McMichael is going to get a shot at 3C. If not, I expect him to get a shot at 3LW. I think he'll do better with linemates that can help him drive possession. He has a fantastic shot and has the skillset, he just hasn't exactly been given the best hand in the NHL (thanks Lavi).
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        Apr. 18, 2023 at 3:21 p.m.
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        Quoting: NDoody
        Sens need to make the playoffs next year, trading for picks, unless it is a top 10 pic this year, would be out of the question for me.
        I would look for a combo of the following pieces.
        Right handed top 4 D
        - Goalie that is an improvement over Forsgberg that can be a 1-3 year stop gap until Soogard is ready to be #1 Goalie.
        - Bottom six player that has speed can score 10-15 goals and is good on the PK, essentially a replacement for Formenton to round out what would have been one of the best 3rd lines in Formenton - Pinto - Joseph.
        A Top Six RW, however, I would be least likely looking for this, because i think that Grieg can fill his spot as early as next season, or they can run the three top lines and a 4th checking line combo they did for a while this year.
        Top 10 pick in this years draft.


        Washington doesn't have to pay just picks.

        I made a list of players they can use to substitute.

        Do you see anything you like here?
        Apr. 18, 2023 at 3:21 p.m.
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        Quoting: sensonfire
        We paid 7OA last year.


        Ah yes cause that makes a magnitude of difference.
        Like c'mon Savoie would be a mid 1st this year's draft. 2023 picks are worth much more than 2022's.
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        Apr. 18, 2023 at 3:22 p.m.
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        the values of roster players or prospects substituted for picks are hilariously low.

        as for the pure draft pick price, debrincat is a year older, a lot more expensive, and coming off a worse season. this is also a significantly better draft -- I don't think Korchinski is taken before probably 12oa this year, probably even later. at the end of the day i wouldn't want a 2nd to be the deciding factor, but especially 40oa and especially in this draft it does matter.
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        Apr. 18, 2023 at 3:25 p.m.
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        Quoting: brady_t12
        I think this is a fair asking price. I just think that the values you have for players is a little off. I'd do the first and Lapierre. McMichael should be in that same tier as Lapierre.


        Quoting: qc14
        the values of roster players or prospects substituted for picks are hilariously low.

        as for the pure draft pick price, debrincat is a year older, a lot more expensive, and coming off a worse season. this is also a significantly better draft -- I don't think Korchinski is taken before probably 12oa this year, probably even later. at the end of the day i wouldn't want a 2nd to be the deciding factor, but especially 40oa and especially in this draft it does matter.


        The duality of man.
        Apr. 18, 2023 at 3:25 p.m.
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        Quoting: qc14
        the values of roster players or prospects substituted for picks are hilariously low.

        as for the pure draft pick price, debrincat is a year older, a lot more expensive, and coming off a worse season. this is also a significantly better draft -- I don't think Korchinski is taken before probably 12oa this year, probably even later. at the end of the day i wouldn't want a 2nd to be the deciding factor, but especially 40oa and especially in this draft it does matter.


        Korchinski maybe goes 20th lol
        Apr. 18, 2023 at 3:34 p.m.
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        Did DeBrincat really request a trade and if Ottawa was a playoff team this season like a lot of people thought would this even be an issue?
        Apr. 18, 2023 at 3:40 p.m.
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        Quoting: aedoran
        Did DeBrincat really request a trade and if Ottawa was a playoff team this season like a lot of people thought would this even be an issue?


        DeBrincat did not request a trade and it probably wouldn't matter if we made the playoffs.

        However, we do need a new owner that will pay DeBrincat.



        Also, DeBrincat says he wants to wait until the draft before signing.

        Even though GM Pierre Dorion publicly stated we'll qualify DeBrincat if we don't sign him long-term.

        I think DeBrincat wants the new owner to come in and fire our head coach.
        Apr. 18, 2023 at 3:44 p.m.
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        I don't think you are getting that from any team. DeBrincat is an undersized underperformer.
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        Apr. 18, 2023 at 3:46 p.m.
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        Quoting: sensonfire
        We paid 7OA last year.


        So, This is a much deeper draft. So 8OA/9OA is worth way more than the 7OA pick from last season.
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        Apr. 18, 2023 at 3:46 p.m.
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        Quoting: McSorley
        I don't think you are getting that from any team. DeBrincat is an undersized underperformer.


        There's a difference between being an under-performer and having a down year with a new team.
        Apr. 18, 2023 at 3:48 p.m.
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        Quoting: sensonfire
        There's a difference between being an under-performer and having a down year with a new team.


        19-20 was a down year with a team he has his most success.
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        Apr. 18, 2023 at 3:53 p.m.
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        No cheap year left on his deal, older and coming off a significantly worse year, why on earth would a team pay the same price Ottawa did?
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        Apr. 18, 2023 at 4:21 p.m.
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        Quoting: JaredOfLondon
        No cheap year left on his deal, older and coming off a significantly worse year, why on earth would a team pay the same price Ottawa did?


        That team needs scoring and would pay the price for it.

        That's why.
        Apr. 18, 2023 at 4:29 p.m.
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        DeBrincat is coming off a down year, is a year older, has no contract, and has a significantly larger QO than his old AAV. How is his value the same as what it was when you acquired him? Everything points to his value dropping since coming over from Chicago
        Apr. 18, 2023 at 4:44 p.m.
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        Quoting: sensonfire
        That team needs scoring and would pay the price for it.

        That's why.


        yeah, and since that scoring is now lower in value, they'll pay less
        Apr. 18, 2023 at 4:46 p.m.
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        Ignoring yhat DeBrincat doesn't have the value he did last offseason, the quality of the draft is just much greater this season.

        There will be cheaper options out there if that's your ask.
         
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