Vancouver is in the best range to draft a high end Dman. Trading back means losing the chance to get one

Trade isnt very good and the Athletic proposed Jordan Poole and Kuminga for KPJ, roster players and three firsts including no 4 so I wouldn't take their trade proposals too seriously. Not to mention having 11 gives them flexibility in drafting Reinbacher, Willander, or any other RD available

Yeah good luck Detroit would offer the Isles 17th overall pick and St Louis 42nd overall pick both far better than this. For Brock Boeser and the 11th overall pick.

Does boeser even have negative value at this point? Let alone dropping back so many spots in a stacked draft type negative value

55pts in 74 games doesnt scream negative value.

Reinbacher will go top 8, Axel-Sandin Pellikka might even be gone before 11th that only leaves Bonk and Willander as far as RHD. Most of the LHD are expected in the 15th and above overall range.

Yeah those are terrible trades. Boeser didn't have a good season but he most certainly isn't negative value. He is currently worth a 3rd or so. If he rebounds next season, he would be worth a 2nd.

Trades obviously look very good from Chicago’s POV. I understand these trades would be awful for the other teams involved, but the reported price of eating contracts this off-season is sky high.

Unfortunately, if these teams want to shed players like Murray/Garland etc, it’s going to cost them. Boeser I think still has some value though. I’m not sure he would be the one included in this

Boeser is not a cap dump. He put up 55 points and was at a 60 point pace. Canucks aren’t trading down to trade him.

Was this Lazerus? Because he's a full on idiot. Why on Earth would Vancouver do this?

His agent was trying to facilitate a move and he didn't go anywhere. Critics would say he wasn't driving the line and last offseason scoring wingers were incredibly devalued on the market (Bjorkstrand for peanuts, Pacioretty for free, etc)

Van is in a turbo cap-crunch and no other team is going to help them for fun.

Hawks accept here, curious if VAN does

Decent chance one of ASP or Reidenbacher are still there at 19

disagree. 0% chance either is available after the 13th pick. Detroit, Philly, Arizona x 2 , Buffalo, Vancouver, St Louis all need D

I think there are a lot of calculations to be made for both sides. I don't think Boeser or Garland have as low of value as some people suppose. But CHI probably isn't the team that is going to value either of them either. So, breaking these ideas up is probably important. If VAN can squeeze some value out of those players with other teams they should absolutely do so, because CHI isn't the team that is going to do it. As far as the value of the picks goes, Dom Luszczyszyn's draft pick valuation model, among other valuation models out there, suppose that the 19th and 35th pick are worth significantly more than the 11th pick. Also, the quality and depth of this draft would suggest that the 11th and 19th overall picks are closer in value than a normal draft year, AND that 35th overall pick is also more valuable than normal.

So, then we have to figure out what else is involved, and what the value of those assets are, but CHI is the last team that is going to assign positive value to Boeser or Garland. Which is why I suggest trading them elsewhere. But then that defeats the purpose of VAN moving the 11th pick to buy themselves cap space, to begin with. So maybe Myers or OEL are better options... As far as Myers goes, his bonus is only part of the equation, and with a $6M cap hit, he will still cost them to move regardless of his $1M actual salary. And then OEL should easily cost the 11th pick alone with zero compensation going back to VAN, in order to dump, due to his age, on ice play, cap hit, and term. Which gives them nothing in return, aside from cap space. Which, I would think would be more important to VAN next summer, given the much better free agent class in 2024.

There are so many considerations and calculations to make, and so many unknowns about VAN's targets and strategy for their retool. So, we'll just have to wait and see. But, judging from the end of VAN's season, I honestly don't think they have to do as much as people think. If they could play that way consistently under Tocchet for an entire season, and even improve upon it, they should be a much better team, and their pipeline is decent enough too. Sure, as a CHI fan, I would love to have that 11th overall pick, but I don't think we should go out of our way to acquire it, and I don't think VAN needs to go out of their way either.

Laz is FAR from being an idiot. But no, this wasn't him. This was a collaboration between Thomas Drance (VAN beat writer) and Scott Powers (CHI beat writer).

Caps fans want a first for Kuzy who had the same production last year and is being paid 8 million

1. No
2. VAN gets a substantial amount of cap space to move an underperforming veteran, as well as a 2nd, all for moving down 8 spots in the 1st round. It's really not the fleecing you seem to think it is. If you think teams are lining up to get 55 points out of BB at $6.7m per season, I think you're in for a surprise.

Which is why i like a Kuzy for Boeser swap

Makes sense but I don’t think they can afford kuzys cap hit

Dude, Boeser does not have negative or zero value.

The Tampa 1st and 2nd on value charts is spot on the #11OA pick so this trade does not represent Boeser as a negative value. He is not a cap dump in this rumored deal (think Garland was the specific name used and Boeser/OEL are conjecture from fans), but more of a cap casualty where if he (or Garland) are moved it will be to free up cap space more than the player is bad. Slightly overpaid is different than bad.

Oi vey... didn't he just write a column advocating to do with away with the offside rule this week?

What has VAN been offered for him. Or is he so good that he's untouchable and they would never try to move him?