Not a chance in hell Washington gives up 8th overall for a single year of cap dumping mantha and taking a cap dump back for a washed out Hoffman,

MTL attaches a first going to AZ not the other waya round lmfao

The whole Mikael Granlund cycle:

every single teams says no. SHOCKER

Yeah I'm confused. If Cal will take Granlund for a 2nd, why would Pit trade him to MTL with a 1st?

Similarly, why would Van make that trade if Ari will give up something FOR OEL?

Not to mention that half the guys here aren't cap dumps and those that are cap dumps are extremely easy to buy out...

What kind of big brained nonsense is this? Good lord.

You should probably verify which teams have cap space before dumping contracts on them.

OEL for Gallagher 1 for 1 is even. Canucks aren’t moving down 20 spots to move a top 6 winger and middle 6 winger

Also wtf is that Arizona trade

Id say yes from Canucks POV

boeser and beau arent cap dumps, i would rather have OELs contract then gallaghers, hes a bottom 6er. plus move down 20 places in the draft? doesnt seem very ideal to me

You keep Edmundson, he was garbage here before we dumped him on you, he's your garbage now

I think thats where you are wrong. OEL 750k more which isn't nothing for starters. Then Gallagher is actually still a decent player where as OEL isn't. Dom's model has Gallagher worth 4.1 this yr. At -500k. Not to mention Gallagher is a pest and a tenacious and infectious players. Which is literally the opposite of OEL who is soft, languid and uninspired. So that is a huge win for the Canucks.

Boeser I think most people would say isn't going to be the player we thought he was early in his career and will likely never be worth the almost 7 mil hes on. Beauvillier is a dime a dozen guy. Serviceable but nothing special.

Trading down is the big hit for the Canucks.

But this way they clear over 11 mil in cap space and get out from OEL for the price of moving down in the draft. It's a no brainer for Vancouver in my mind.

Take that 11 mil and sign the likes of a Gavrikov, Severson or Graves. Sign a good 3c. Maybe weaponize some of that cap. It just gives the team so many avenues to improve that aren't available to them now.

Boeser most certainly is a cap dump. Definition almost. Beauvillier might be worth a 2nd if you got super lucky. But probably a 3rd.

OEL wasn't even replacement level last yr and likely gets worse. Gallagher was still an effective player last yr. Hes a tenacious player with heart. Exact opposite of what OEL brings.

Moving down in the draft and getting off a terrible anchor contract for a much better one whilst also freeing 11 mil in cap space. The team all of sudden has dozens of ways to improve instead of having nearly nothing we can do currently.

Obviously OEL was terrible this year but he was playing with a broken foot. He was actually pretty good his first year here ($5M value according to Evolving Hockey, was -1.4M this year)

Gallagher was a bit better ($0.9M value this year according to Evolving Hockey), but has consistently been regressing every year. The Canucks also need a dman more than they need a winger, so OEL is a better fit for us

Boeser is overpaid by about 1M but still is a capable top 6 winger. He’s worth at least a 3rd if not a 2nd. Beau is a dime a dozen yes, but again is worth a mid round pick (more with retention). Dropping 20 spots to move those two leaves a hole on the wing as well. We’d have Podkolzin, Garland, and Hoglander for the 2nd/3rd lines, so we’d have to sign at least one winger and hope the young guys both take a step forward this season

Plus dropping the many spots gets us a much worse prospect. It’s just not worth it at all

Outrageous caps trade

Canucks easily decline. OEL and Gallagher are both bad contracts, but the difference between them is minimal. Vancouver isn't moving back 20 spots plus adding Boeser and Beauvillier.

Lets put it like this OEL and Gallagher aren't up to their contracts but I think you can hide a winger much better than a dman. Not to mention Gallagher's game is totally fine in a bottom 6 role. So while you are correct we need dmen more than wingers that is exactly what this trade achieves. We clear 11 mil in cap space to reallocate to areas of need.

Our middle 6 wingers would include Garland, Hoglander, Podkolzen, Gallagher. And our top prospects Lekkerimaki, Klimovich, are wingers. Not to mention Joshua, Di Giuseppe, Karlsson and a few other options. Wingers are the easiest position to fill as well.

Boeser is too slow. His points are hollow. He can make plays with good players but not enough to justify is price tag. And I don't think that is going to change because he is just too slow and stiff since that back injury. Heck he can't even shoot anymore for some reason.

If the Canucks can indeed trade Boeser for a 2nd and Beauvillier for a 3rd then they should do that immediately. That would clear the same cap space we are talking about in this deal. I don't know that they can however.

OEL is basically guaranteed to haunt this team. Even his first yr that was technically decent his style of play is a guaranteed playoff loser. He has no jam. Gallagher at least has fight in him.

The only thing I'd be concerned about is dropping in the draft. But I would do it to move out the money. And reallocate that to the d and 3c. Maybe pick up a cheap winger elsewhere too.

Well obviously the Capitals aren’t going to touch that trade. What a horrible proposal.

How many SCF CAR make ?
I mean Eddy's made 2 on 2 teams ?
CAR has made 0 since their last cup?

Bad trade 100%
But he wasnt there when Hamilton and were ahead of him
But he was ahead of Pesce that year

Gardiner was in the middle with 54 points between Hamiltons +30 rating and Gardiners -24.
Eddy literally played the same as always no better or worse just consistent as always in every regard and had a career high 20 pts that year

If you dont want him fine , say it
Dont make up fiction based on ignorance and present it as fact

Hey, buddy, Hamilton was ahead of him. It was the year Hamilton broke his leg in Columbus when he had 40 points in 44 games. Pesce was WAY ahead of Edmundson, but Pesce suffered a shoulder fracture in the David Ayres game. Edmundson lost his place in the lineup after they realized he was awful and they went and got Skjei and Vatanen. When Hamilton was healthy for the bubble, Edmundson was sat on his rear end. He failed here once, bud.

You say cup finals... okay, sure... he won the cup on St Louis' 3rd pairing. In Montreal, he made the playoffs on a team that would have missed in any other division, and has been part of a bottom feeder since. Both times, he made the finals, he was bailed out by a hot goaltender. He's not worth it.

Stop it now. He's not a good player, keep him if you like him. Do not try and justify it when you clearly do not know what you're talking about regarding the Hurricanes and then use team stats. It's comical

I didnt ask your take on Stats
I read them and determined for myself

What you said about Edmundston during a career year Proves you just look at point and nothing but points.
If he had 50pts you'd be happy but because he didnt in your eyes there's no value.

"keep him if you like him" . . .We are hence him having the "A" in MTL SMH . . .As far as "3rd pairing D" as if its a negative, thats his role to be their to support the top 4 stepping in if needed. . . .

That still has value or TDL every year would be dead for D trades and Its Fans online want him gone because they dont want Harris, Xhekaj or Guhle to spend any time in the minors. They're all Waiver Exempt for 2 more years as it stands so leaving 1 or 2 of them in Laval until the TDL isnt a big issue.
At the TDL i know we'll have people in on him because last TDL we had teams scouting him wondering if he was healthy(which he wasnt)
But Eddy is a Consistent 6'5 Defensive D and while Younger Fans who Never Played have no respect for their role , everyone who laced up skates ever does .

In Closing no one needs to Justify or get your ok for Eddy to be Validated.
2 SCF on 2 teams the last 5 year Validates him.
Im just here to state the obvious so its clear the only issue here is you suppliment what you dont understand with Anger and Projected Hate instead of the search of Knowledge.
Its a Choice that impacts your life at all levels uncontrollably but will never Effect how Professionals feel about Edmundston.



But for the record when i dont like a player im honest about it.
I dont do mental olympics to try to Slander a Person then down play it in my mind as no big deal and justifiable because he makes more money . . .
I was just raised better then to detach myself that much from a conversation that i justify bad behavior over a F'ing Opinion . . . Over a Hypothetical Scenario. . .

This has been Very Illuminating .

So you don't want stats... you want to use your own take over the numbers... bold

There's nothing wrong with a 3rd pairing D man, but there are about 50 in the free agent market and Carolina could probably land someone who is better (Carson Soucey as an example) without having to give up anything. But you also need to understand that those 3rd pairing defensemen are not driving factors in making the Stanley Cup Finals. 2 cup finals in 5 years... cool. Cory Perry has been to 3 of the last 4. I'd argue Perry was more of a factor than Edmundson, at least in the St Louis cup run.

Sure, he's 6'5. You cannot teach a guy to be 6'5. But you suggest that I only spew hate. Yet, he was analytically Carolina's worst defenseman the year he spent in Raleigh. I would like to point out, Jake Bean and Haydn Fleury were on that roster at the time. They were better than Edmundson. That's with Edmundson getting a babysitter in Pesce. You're trying to say I know nothing, yet you completely ignore the fact Eddy flopped in Raleigh.

I have nothing against Edmundson as a person. I'm sure he's a great guy. But he was easily the worst defenseman in Raleigh that year, and he even admitted it in his end of season press conference, after he watched the end of the Boston series from the press box when Hamilton recovered from the leg break.

You just typed out a whole lot of nothing. Want to continue this conversation? Justify it. Edmundson was given a top 4 role in Carolina and stunk the joint up. He was given a 3rd pairing role, and they opted to load up at the deadline and replace him instead. That's pretty damning that he's not a good fit for Carolina, and that he's not a good defenseman in the eyes of an analytically run organization, because he's awful analytically.

Teams adapt after every cup run whether they won or not
Arguing that STL didnt keep him is futile at best cause MTL grabbed him and he made another SCF
Teams in the Cap World have to adjust constantly ,
Trying to Manipulate Business into a personal attack is the signature of a Bad Person with no Respect for others or themselves.

No i said i dont care what your take is on his not being a Point Per Game Player.
I look at his stats vs the entire teams for context then look at the game day breakdowns via NHL.com
Then i make a call based on how your Coach played him and how he responded.
Then i match that versus previous years.

You get mad during a game and paint a target on players you dont like.
Which is fine , everyone does it. Most of us however know how to check our bias
We dont spend all our time trying to downplay his value or role on two SCF runs in which he got a Ring during 1/2.
You speak as if he's getting paid to produce 50 pts but at the end of the day he's played like a 3m dollar player for years
I speak like someone weighing his cap, contributions ,impact and how the coach used him to find out if he has value to the team equal to his contract.
It was a clear yes based on NHL comparables playing his role capable of his minutes with his consistency

I mean Radulov didnt work out here despite having a career year to that point
While im a little irritated with him i dont let that bias stop me from enjoying watching him play.
Met to many future Hockey Stars supporting Junior to have such an Arrogant POV.
They're not Icons to be attacked because you dont see them as people.
They're boys who grew into men playing the game and making sacrifices long before doing this for a living was a real possibility.
So even players i hate i wont go out of my way to undermine or discredit their value
I just point out my hate for them without Slander admitting its bias rather then pretending its not at others expense like you have .

Are you trying to argue Edmundson was a core part of either cup run? If that's the case, we need to end this here, because that is blatantly wrong.

The one time in Edmundson's career he was on a team that had expectations heading into the second half of a season, he was one of the worst defenseman in the league. Fact. St Louis were bottom of the league in January in their cup year, and the habs were expected to be swept aside by the Leafs. In Carolina, Edmundson was so bad they moved for Brady Skjei as an upgrade. Skjei who has shown even he can succeed in this Carolina system.

As I said, I have no issue with Edmundson. But he's a 3rd pairing defenseman on bad teams. He's kind of like a Jack Johnson. On a good team, he's a 7th D man which is fine if he's making league minimum. He's also fine to throw money at if you're rebuilding. Good locker room guy. For a team with cup expectations, he's not a good fit. He's proven that he doesn't work well on teams with expectations.

As for everything else, have fun with that. Edmundson is just not a good enough player for the Canes to do this. Have a good day!

He's not Jesus but he was paid 3m and played like a 3m dollar player.
He's consistent and if they kept Playoffs advanced stats on hand im sure it woulda shown his BS and Hits were elevated like the rest of his play.
Rather then be mad at their Dcore for not showing up in the playoffs they blame Eddy despite all their D only having 1-2 points except Vatanen.
Edmundson ,Skjei TVR and Fleury were the only D with a Positive +/- that playoff and were tied with CAR top guns in most respects as seen in the link.
But sure , Edmundson's clearly the villain


Edmundson 2019-20 among D Regular Season
-4th in Points
-2nd in Goals
-5th in Ice Time
-4th in +/-
-3rd in Blocked Shots
-2nd in Hits
-3rd in Point Shares
-2nd in Shooting %
-3rd in Even Strength Points
-2nd in Even Strength Goals


Playoffs he steps up his play a bit as shown below
-3rd in Ice Time
-2nd in +/-
-6th in Points
-2nd (Tied) in Goals
-3rd Shooting %

hockey-reference.com/teams/CAR/2020.html