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2023 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #4 - The quiet period

Jul. 28, 2023 at 1:19 p.m.
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Quoting: pinslack
So with the Tarasenko signing, we're all inspecting OTT roster.

It's hilarious to see Hamonic with a NMC

OTT could have considered sending him down now that they're close to the cap


With 32k in cap they will get cap with 2 possible outcomes for Pinto

1. The conclusion of HC investigation

or

2. Trade Joseph and a 2nd (maybe more) to team X for FC

But yea giving Hamonic NMC not the best idea but then again thats probs how they got him to decide to come back.
Jul. 28, 2023 at 3:07 p.m.
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Quoting: pinslack
So with the Tarasenko signing, we're all inspecting OTT roster.

It's hilarious to see Hamonic with a NMC

OTT could have considered sending him down now that they're close to the cap


A player with a NMC cannot be traded or put on waivers without giving the team permission
Jul. 28, 2023 at 3:34 p.m.
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Quoting: justaBoss
trade Joseph out


Someone can get him for nothing now
Jul. 28, 2023 at 4:20 p.m.
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Jul. 28, 2023 at 7:36 p.m.
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Quoting: pinslack




No way my Canes offered that much. Not that they are cheap, the Eric Tlusky is smart.
Jul. 28, 2023 at 8:03 p.m.
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No way my Canes offered that much. Not that they are cheap, the Eric Tlusky is smart.


I mean Canes should be in win now mode. On a 1 year deal thats the price range. Look what Bertuzzi signed for 5.5m x 1 year

Cant be cheap now

So would not have shocked me if that was the offer Canes made and it would have benefited both sides as Canes would not have to commit while also getting a solid player while Tarasenko would have had a nice chance for a cup or more money next year
Jul. 28, 2023 at 9:44 p.m.
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So he turned down $5.25m in Carolina and $5.5m x 4 years in Ottawa…to sign $5m x 1 year in Ottawa?

Must have been about NTC
Jul. 28, 2023 at 10:17 p.m.
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No way my Canes offered that much. Not that they are cheap, the Eric Tlusky is smart.


Quoting: NHLfan10506
So he turned down $5.25m in Carolina and $5.5m x 4 years in Ottawa…to sign $5m x 1 year in Ottawa?

Must have been about NTC


Andy Strickland reported later that his tweet was wrong what Canes offered him was below 4m
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Jul. 28, 2023 at 11:08 p.m.
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So he turned down $5.25m in Carolina and $5.5m x 4 years in Ottawa…to sign $5m x 1 year in Ottawa?

Must have been about NTC


I think he thought someone would give him more money but less term 6.5x 2 years but teams laughed. SJS came close but he probs wanted to go to a contender and not pull a Klingberg

So he waited and then Canes went fine done need you and basically options were thin. So he probs went **** it and signed with OTT on a 5mill x 1 year. He does good there great he can get his money next year. He sucks they dont got to pay to move him

If I was him though take 1mill less go to CAR or a serious contender and try and win it all then in 2024 go for the $$$$$
Jul. 28, 2023 at 11:14 p.m.
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Quoting: ARMCHAIRGMOFTHEYEAR
Andy Strickland reported later that his tweet was wrong what Canes offered him was below 4m


Still, what would explain taking Ottawas 1 year deal instead of their 4 year deal? Probably flexibility
Jul. 29, 2023 at 12:16 a.m.
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Still, what would explain taking Ottawas 1 year deal instead of their 4 year deal? Probably flexibility


Probably Dorion got nervous and was like **** got to do something and called his agent and went how about 5m x 1 year we suck we move at TDL, we make WC spot he has chance to compete.
Jul. 29, 2023 at 8:05 a.m.
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Still, what would explain taking Ottawas 1 year deal instead of their 4 year deal? Probably flexibility


He thinks he’s worth more so he took low money 1 year hoping to get bigger money next FA
Jul. 29, 2023 at 9:18 a.m.
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Still, what would explain taking Ottawas 1 year deal instead of their 4 year deal? Probably flexibility


Reckon his agent probably rejected that offer, then he changed agents and tailed back to Ottawa since he felt that team might be the best fit for him rn for lower money (potentially because they couldn't offer him that much again after DeBrincat trade). Not unheard of that agents overvalue their player's value, this happened with Klingberg too. Dallas offered him $7M x 8 years at the end of 2022 season to keep him around and his agent flat out refused, saying that his client is worth more.

Alas, that was not the case.
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Jul. 29, 2023 at 12:58 p.m.
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Kraken might have the deepest F group in the league

Mccann-Beniers-Eberle
Burakovsky-Wright-Bjorkstrand
Tolvanen-Gourde-Yamamoto
Schwartz-Wennberg-Tanev
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Jul. 29, 2023 at 1:17 p.m.
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Kraken might have the deepest F group in the league

Mccann-Beniers-Eberle
Burakovsky-Wright-Bjorkstrand
Tolvanen-Gourde-Yamamoto
Schwartz-Wennberg-Tanev


Correction: The Kraken DO have the deepest forward group in the league
Jul. 29, 2023 at 1:30 p.m.
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Kraken might have the deepest F group in the league

Mccann-Beniers-Eberle
Burakovsky-Wright-Bjorkstrand
Tolvanen-Gourde-Yamamoto
Schwartz-Wennberg-Tanev


Precisely why they should avoid Nylander at all costs
Jul. 29, 2023 at 2:02 p.m.
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Edited Jul. 29, 2023 at 2:15 p.m.
Quoting: IconicHawk
Precisely why they should avoid Nylander at all costs


Adding him would make them a legit threat in the Pacific as adding a younger 40 goal scorer would make them scary. They have the assets and players to add him without sacrificing much

As

McCann-Beniers-Nylander
Burakovsky-Wright-Eberle
Tolvanen-Gourde-Yamamoto
Schwartz-Wennberg-Tanev

Is very good. As when u look the guy who got the most goals for SEA was McCann but hes not expected to repeat that, then it drops to 24 goals for Beniers then 20 goals for Eberle, Schwartz, Bjorkstrand, Sprong (gone). So yea adding Nylander would make that already deep forward core even scarier.
Jul. 29, 2023 at 2:10 p.m.
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Quoting: Db1899
Kraken might have the deepest F group in the league

Mccann-Beniers-Eberle
Burakovsky-Wright-Bjorkstrand
Tolvanen-Gourde-Yamamoto
Schwartz-Wennberg-Tanev


With the owner giving permission to spend and having a lot of assets could see SEA make one more splash before season starts

As whether they want to upgrade already deep forward core with Nylander or add an all-star Dman in EK will be interesting

Cause they got the assets to add either without hurting their team to much if at all

Also surprisingly another team who could be deep if everyone returns healthy is Philly surprisingly

Farabee-Coutourier-Tippett
Laughton-Frost-Konecney
Atkinson-Cates-Forester
Deslauriers-Poheling-Hathaway
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Jul. 29, 2023 at 3:03 p.m.
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Quoting: Db1899
Kraken might have the deepest F group in the league

Mccann-Beniers-Eberle
Burakovsky-Wright-Bjorkstrand
Tolvanen-Gourde-Yamamoto
Schwartz-Wennberg-Tanev

Used to be the Kings before that ill-advised PLD trade.

Kempe - Kopitar - Fiala
Iafallo - Byfield - Arvidsson
Kaliyev - Danault - Vilardi
Moore - Lizotte - Grundström
// Vagemo, Kupari
Jul. 29, 2023 at 3:32 p.m.
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Used to be the Kings before that ill-advised PLD trade.

Kempe - Kopitar - Fiala
Iafallo - Byfield - Arvidsson
Kaliyev - Danault - Vilardi
Moore - Lizotte - Grundström
// Vagemo, Kupari


I mean

Byfield-Kopitar-Kempe
Fiala-PLD-Kaliyev
Moore-Danault-Arvidsson
Grundstrom-Lizotte-Lewis

Isnt that much different
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Jul. 29, 2023 at 5:15 p.m.
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Quoting: Db1899
Kraken might have the deepest F group in the league

Mccann-Beniers-Eberle
Burakovsky-Wright-Bjorkstrand
Tolvanen-Gourde-Yamamoto
Schwartz-Wennberg-Tanev


Some contenders could be:
NJD
Meier Hischier Mercer
Bratt Hughes Toffoli
Palat Haula Holtz
Nosek Mcleod Bastian

DAL
Robertson Hintz Pavelski
Benn Johnston Duchene
Marchment Seguin Dadonov
Steel Faska Dellandrea
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Jul. 29, 2023 at 6:38 p.m.
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I miss Hockey now.
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Jul. 29, 2023 at 6:41 p.m.
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Quoting: Tintin
Used to be the Kings before that ill-advised PLD trade.

Kempe - Kopitar - Fiala
Iafallo - Byfield - Arvidsson
Kaliyev - Danault - Vilardi
Moore - Lizotte - Grundström
// Vagemo, Kupari


It's better with PLD.
Jul. 29, 2023 at 6:54 p.m.
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With the owner giving permission to spend and having a lot of assets could see SEA make one more splash before season starts

As whether they want to upgrade already deep forward core with Nylander or add an all-star Dman in EK will be interesting

Cause they got the assets to add either without hurting their team to much if at all

Also surprisingly another team who could be deep if everyone returns healthy is Philly surprisingly

Farabee-Coutourier-Tippett
Laughton-Frost-Konecney
Atkinson-Cates-Forester
Deslauriers-Poheling-Hathaway


The issue with Philly is every player above minus the 4th Liners, Is either injury prone at this point, or have had inconsistent success to this point

- Farabee got injured was pretty bad for like 2 months lost all confidence, then was extremely snaked bitten until the end where he got going again. (I think he's probably due for biggest progression for us)

- Couts and Atkinson are solid although are we getting the versions they were prior to injury? Atkinson fell off after Giroux left post deadline, I hope he can regain form to some extent.

- Frost, Tippett, Cates all had really solid years last year but they have to repeat to earn my full confidence. (Although I'm gonna be pushing Frost narratives a ton)

The most sure things too me are Laughton and Konecny. I think Konency will continue to show that last year is more of the type of player he is, And Laughton you know what your getting high energy 3rd liner that can put up 35-45 points, and slide up and down.

So it's just a lot of question marks, and our Dcore is dreadful, and if Hart get's traded or is named in that lawsuit, we're gonna be like bottom 3. I just hope Atkinson can have a good enough season to be tradeable. I wanna see Brink so bad, he was the most noticable in Rookie Camp.
Jul. 30, 2023 at 12:42 a.m.
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It’s kind of funny to see people losing their minds over Toronto gaining an extra 600k in cap space like the Golden knights didn’t literally just win the cup with Mark Stone Kucheroved. That was totally legit, but no, Murray who has been extremely injury prone his whole career, never, it has to be cap circumvention. Sure, the timing is a bit weird especially considering Murray was “cleared” to play for the playoffs but the leafs knew he wasn’t going to play then anyways so it was probably just as extra insurance. Even if it wasn’t, it’s 600k. It’s not the first time this has happened. No reason to act like the integrity of the NHL is suddenly at stake.
 
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