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Created by: JLance
Team: 2023-24 Buffalo Sabres
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 11, 2023
Published: Aug. 11, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
Alrite, gonna get you Habs fans all horned up. Pens fans too cause they were infatuated with Petry to Buffalo.
Trades
1.
PIT
  1. von Barnekow Løfberg, William [Reserve List]
Additional Details:
We don't want your goalie.
2.
BUF
  1. Engström, Adam [Reserve List]
  2. Petry, Jeff ($2,000,000 retained)
MTL
  1. Jokiharju, Henri
Additional Details:
This is actually useful for Buffalo. Not Lyubushkin. Not picks. Not Matt Murray. Not the corpse of Carey Price. and not Scott Gomez.
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2024
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2025
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2026
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
25$83,500,000$74,141,487$0$3,702,500$9,358,513
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$9,000,000$9,000,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 4
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$7,142,857$7,142,857
C
UFA - 7
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$4,750,000$4,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$7,100,000$7,100,000
C, LW
UFA - 7
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$4,750,000$4,750,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
C
UFA - 1
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$2,500,000$2,500,000 (Performance Bonus$500,000$500K)
RW
UFA - 1
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$412,500$412K)
C, LW
RFA - 1
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$775,000$775,000
RW
RFA - 2
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$855,833$855,833 (Performance Bonus$32,500$32K)
LW, RW
RFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$3,333,333$3,333,333
RD
UFA - 3
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$1,800,000$1,800,000
G
UFA - 1
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$4,285,714$4,285,714
LD
UFA - 7
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$837,500$837,500
G
RFA - 1
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$343,750$343,750
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
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$687,500$687,500
RD
UFA - 1
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$886,667$886,667 (Performance Bonus$57,500$58K)
G
RFA - 3
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$1,850,000$1,850,000
LD/RD
RFA - 1
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$1,350,000$1,350,000
LD
RFA - 1
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$916,667$916,667 (Performance Bonus$1,850,000$2M)
LD/RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RW, LW
RFA - 2

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Aug. 11, 2023 at 8:20 a.m.
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Such a Joker!
But seriously change that to Lybushkin and I would do that deal.
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Aug. 11, 2023 at 8:26 a.m.
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Lol we're to just give you players now? GTFO.
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Aug. 11, 2023 at 8:28 a.m.
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Quoting: BUFF36
Such a Joker!
But seriously change that to Lybushkin and I would do that deal.


Engstrom is already a better dman than Joker
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Aug. 11, 2023 at 8:38 a.m.
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Its absolutely hilarious to see how many people want Petry 40-50% retained, but aren’t willing to pay sh**. Simple business law: If the demand is high, the price goes up
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Aug. 11, 2023 at 8:40 a.m.
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Quoting: Caufield
Its absolutely hilarious to see how many people want Petry 40-50% retained, but aren’t willing to pay sh**. Simple business law: If the demand is high, the price goes up


If demand was high he wouldn't have been a dump with retention in the 1st place.
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Aug. 11, 2023 at 8:43 a.m.
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Quoting: CBA
Engstrom is already a better dman than Joker


Maybe but he isn't signed
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Aug. 11, 2023 at 8:43 a.m.
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Quoting: BUFF36
If demand was high he wouldn't have been a dump with retention in the 1st place.


Ya, but 4.6 mill vs 2.3 mill is a serious difference. I’d argue he is worth 3.5-4 mil, so getting him under 2.5 mill should make his price high, especially with demand
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Aug. 11, 2023 at 8:51 a.m.
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Quoting: Caufield
Its absolutely hilarious to see how many people want Petry 40-50% retained, but aren’t willing to pay sh**. Simple business law: If the demand is high, the price goes up


The DEMAND isn’t high- obviously
Otherwise he’d have been moved in a separate deal

No one wants him- not in real life
Bc he’s overpaid & not very good
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Aug. 11, 2023 at 8:53 a.m.
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Quoting: Caufield
Ya, but 4.6 mill vs 2.3 mill is a serious difference. I’d argue he is worth 3.5-4 mil, so getting him under 2.5 mill should make his price high, especially with demand


Except the demand on your head is fictional mand the only way u can get anyone remotely interested is to make him as cheap as possible
Aug. 11, 2023 at 8:59 a.m.
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Quoting: Caufield
Ya, but 4.6 mill vs 2.3 mill is a serious difference. I’d argue he is worth 3.5-4 mil, so getting him under 2.5 mill should make his price high, especially with demand


There's 2 teams that are said might be interested Detroit and Buffalo. That's not demand, that's hope!
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Aug. 11, 2023 at 9:12 a.m.
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Quoting: BUFF36
If demand was high he wouldn't have been a dump with retention in the 1st place.


The difference between Petry at 6.25 mil and 2.3 mil is like the difference between OEL at 8.25 mil and OEL at 2.25 mil or Brent Burns at 8 mil vs Burns at 3 mil. I don't know why people can't grasp the concept that players values increase as their cap hits decrease.
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Aug. 11, 2023 at 9:20 a.m.
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Quoting: Campabee
The difference between Petry at 6.25 mil and 2.3 mil is like the difference between OEL at 8.25 mil and OEL at 2.25 mil or Brent Burns at 8 mil vs Burns at 3 mil. I don't know why people can't grasp the concept that players values increase as their cap hits decrease.


Landscape of the NHL will dictate his price, and there aren't many teams that can take him. Montreal needs the cap space and teams know it.
Aug. 11, 2023 at 9:23 a.m.
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Quoting: Campabee
The difference between Petry at 6.25 mil and 2.3 mil is like the difference between OEL at 8.25 mil and OEL at 2.25 mil or Brent Burns at 8 mil vs Burns at 3 mil. I don't know why people can't grasp the concept that players values increase as their cap hits decrease.


Its a novel concept to some apparently but honestly Habs fans just got to be patient. Petry will be dealt at some point here and whichever teams fan bases who gets him will go nice and silent real quick. It certainly won't be for the above offer.

Disclaimer though, some Habs fans are absolutely overpricing him. Don't expect a massive return.
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Aug. 11, 2023 at 9:24 a.m.
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Quoting: BUFF36
Landscape of the NHL will dictate his price, and there aren't many teams that can take him. Montreal needs the cap space and teams know it.

They really don’t. I personally rather MTL keep Petry because he adds a top 4 RD in our team. Plus Hughes has repetitively shown that he moves players at the price he wants, so Petry is not going out of MTL for free
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Aug. 11, 2023 at 9:30 a.m.
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Quoting: Caufield
They really don’t. I personally rather MTL keep Petry because he adds a top 4 RD in our team. Plus Hughes has repetitively shown that he moves players at the price he wants, so Petry is not going out of MTL for free


Well I guess if you want to start the season having to use 5.6mill in LTIR to be compliant. I don't think he will be free, but not what he is probably worth with retention.
Aug. 11, 2023 at 9:46 a.m.
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Petry would literally be Buffalos second pairing RHD, playing with Power and playing 20 mins a night.

How Buffalo fans think Habs would be paying to send him there I have no idea. He's better than every dman in that lineup not named Dahlin or Power
Aug. 11, 2023 at 9:57 a.m.
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Quoting: CBA
Engstrom is already a better dman than Joker


He's got at least as much (or more) upside. But Petry is better too.

Quoting: BUFF36
Well I guess if you want to start the season having to use 5.6mill in LTIR to be compliant. I don't think he will be free, but not what he is probably worth with retention.


Lol, why on earth would you think Montreal would need to trade Petry to manage their cap? Beyond the fact that the 5.6 mil assumes a roster of 26 players (meaning Montreal can paper enough money through waivers/AHL assignments to get under the cap and use in-season LTIR), Montreal doesn't have to move anyone to manage the cap.

The whole reason Montreal helped broker the Karlsson deal is that they're one of the few teams that DOESN'T need cap space, DOESN'T need to watch salary, and ISN'T gunning for the playoffs next season.
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Aug. 11, 2023 at 10:01 a.m.
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wtf is that pens trade
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Aug. 11, 2023 at 10:01 a.m.
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Why would we be giving you a goalie in the first place? We already dealt Desmith.
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Aug. 11, 2023 at 10:02 a.m.
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Quoting: BUFF36
Landscape of the NHL will dictate his price, and there aren't many teams that can take him. Montreal needs the cap space and teams know it.


They have a ton of cap space.
Aug. 11, 2023 at 10:04 a.m.
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Quoting: Burnout
He's got at least as much (or more) upside. But Petry is better too.



Lol, why on earth would you think Montreal would need to trade Petry to manage their cap? Beyond the fact that the 5.6 mil assumes a roster of 26 players (meaning Montreal can paper enough money through waivers/AHL assignments to get under the cap and use in-season LTIR), Montreal doesn't have to move anyone to manage the cap.

The whole reason Montreal helped broker the Karlsson deal is that they're one of the few teams that DOESN'T need cap space, DOESN'T need to watch salary, and ISN'T gunning for the playoffs next season.


Never said they had to, and sure they can funnel like you said. But as of know they have 22 contracts on there books. You can only do that so much and still ice a team.
Aug. 11, 2023 at 10:17 a.m.
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Never said they had to, and sure they can funnel like you said. But as of know they have 22 contracts on there books. You can only do that so much and still ice a team.


You're missing a lot of details. Beyond the fact that teams have used 22 man rosters for mostly full seasons already:

1) The salary number (but not the roster number) includes Caufield, Monahan, Slafkovsky and Xhekaj, all of whom will be ready for training camp, hence the 26 players.
2) Price is LTIRetired, Montreal always intended to use LTIR this season.
3) The preference for Montreal is to use the in-season LTIR instead of the off-season.
4) Montreal can paper enough guys down to allow them to enter the "season" under the cap, then put Price on LTIR, and then call players back up.

Montreal's cap situation has been and is managed.

Pittsburgh wanted to trade Petry to create cap space and flexibility because they wanted to improve the roster and needed to take on salary to do so. Montreal participated in the Karlsson trade because they got futures and got to move Hoffman, who was blocking young forwards. Montreal is not in the same position as Pittsburgh, they DON'T need to move Petry for cap space. They'll try to move him for the same reason they traded him to Pittsburgh (because he wants to play for a more competitive team and he's earned respect in the org), but they aren't going to move him for the sake of it, they need to get something that benefits them. If they aren't going to get it, then Petry will stay because he's still a guy who can play in all 3 zones, bring experience, and bring a physical element.
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Aug. 11, 2023 at 10:20 a.m.
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Quoting: Caufield
Ya, but 4.6 mill vs 2.3 mill is a serious difference. I’d argue he is worth 3.5-4 mil, so getting him under 2.5 mill should make his price high, especially with demand


It's sad to see how many people don't understand the metrics of dumping vs. facilitating. And considering MTL was compensated to facilitate the trade, you would think some "experts" would understand. Turns out no matter what, if you're a Hab, you're a dump. Carte blanche rule.

Even @ 4.6, he isn't a screaming value but he's far from a dump.
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Aug. 11, 2023 at 10:21 a.m.
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Quoting: BUFF36
Landscape of the NHL will dictate his price, and there aren't many teams that can take him. Montreal needs the cap space and teams know it.


MTL doesn't need the cap space? WTF are you talking about? lol
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Aug. 11, 2023 at 10:47 a.m.
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Quoting: AntiAnalytics
The DEMAND isn’t high- obviously
Otherwise he’d have been moved in a separate deal

No one wants him- not in real life
Bc he’s overpaid & not very good


No one traded for him because at his original cap hit he was overpaid. People acquiring him now will get him 75% cheaper so around 2.3m. Hes a 50th percentile WAR player and averages around 40 points so hes above average Dman in todays NHL. At 2.3 million, thats a bargain.

Another reason is that he has a 15 team no trade clause. And has publicly said he wants to be as close to Michigan as possible

I know the american school system is rough but god damn use some common sense here
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