A Shane Pinto trade from CF18GM that has my endorsement

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Created by: sensonfire

Team: 2023-24 Ottawa Senators

Initial Creation Date: Oct. 23, 2023

Published: Oct. 23, 2023

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Trades

OTT

Lucius, Chaz
2024 1st round pick (WPG)

WPG

Pinto, Shane [RFA Rights]

Additional Details:

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/4653758

Buyouts

Bobby Ryan: $1,833,333
Colin White: $875,000
Michael Del Zotto: $750,000

Retained Salary Transactions

Matt Murray: $1,562,500 (25%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2024
2025
2026

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

EMBED

TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
20	$83,500,000	$80,967,380	$0	$1,850,000	$2,532,620

Roster

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Tkachuk, Brady $8,205,714$8,205,714 LW UFA - 5	Stützle, Tim $8,350,000$8,350,000 C UFA - 8	Giroux, Claude $6,500,000$6,500,000 RW, C NMC UFA - 2
Joseph, Mathieu $2,950,000$2,950,000 LW, RW UFA - 3	Greig, Ridly $863,333$863,333 C, LW RFA - 2	Tarasenko, Vladimir $2,500,000$2,500,000 RW NTC UFA - 1
Kubalik, Dominik $2,500,000$2,500,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Norris, Joshua $7,950,000$7,950,000 C UFA - 7	Batherson, Drake $4,975,000$4,975,000 RW, LW UFA - 4
Kelly, Parker $762,500$762,500 LW RFA - 1	Chartier, Rourke $775,000$775,000 C UFA - 1	Kastelic, Mark $835,000$835,000 C, RW RFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Sanderson, Jake $925,000$925,000 ($1,850,000$2M) LD UFA - 1	Hamonic, Travis $1,100,000$1,100,000 RD NMC UFA - 2	Forsberg, Anton $2,750,000$2,750,000 G UFA - 2
Brännström, Erik $2,000,000$2,000,000 LD/RD, LW RFA - 1	Chychrun, Jakob $4,600,000$4,600,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 2	Korpisalo, Joonas $4,000,000$4,000,000 G M-NTC UFA - 5
Chabot, Thomas $8,000,000$8,000,000 LD UFA - 5	Bernard-Docker, Jacob $805,000$805,000 RD RFA - 2

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
	Zub, Artem $4,600,000$4,600,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 4

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Batherson, D.		Tkachuk, B.		Norris, J.
	Sanderson, J.		Stützle, T.

Power Play 2
Greig, R.		Giroux, C.		Kubalik, D.
	Chychrun, J.		Tarasenko, V.

Penalty Kill 1
	Kelly, P.	Joseph, M.
	Sanderson, J.	Hamonic, T.

Penalty Kill 2
	Greig, R.	Chartier, R.
	Brännström, E.	Chychrun, J.

Oct. 23, 2023 at 5:30 p.m.

wojohawk

Joined: Jun. 2018

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I should watch more Sens games. If Pinto is worth 2 1sts in value, he must really be something.

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Oct. 23, 2023 at 5:32 p.m.

Windjammer

Joined: Jul. 2020

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I can see why an Ottawa fan would be in favour of this, it's a huge overpay by Winnipeg.

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Oct. 23, 2023 at 5:33 p.m.

HShockey

Joined: Jun. 2023

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The Sens plan on signing him for a one day contract for the next 6 months

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Oct. 23, 2023 at 5:36 p.m.

Birtle34

Bandwagon fairweathe

Joined: Jun. 2018

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Winnipeg is in a place where they need a Center that can be impactful immediately, interesting trade, but winnipeg probably objects to the first, just in case it finds the lottery. Probably be the sticking point in any deal would be the potential pick or picks needed.

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Oct. 23, 2023 at 5:38 p.m.

GMDannyB

Danny B is here

Joined: Jun. 2023

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Quoting: wojohawk

I should watch more Sens games. If Pinto is worth 2 1sts in value, he must really be something.

I see your Shane Pinto interest and I raise you two 3rd liners in Kubalik and Joseph. Now THOSE TWO are exciting to watch!

Oct. 23, 2023 at 5:50 p.m.

MartyFakenewsman

Joined: Aug. 2020

Posts: 348

Likes: 121

IMO, Shane Pinto's value should be comparable to what Carolina paid for to offersheet Jesperi Kotkaniemi.

With 2 1sts in value, you can add a bit more and get someone like Travis Konecny who is a PPG player.
One full season of Pinto doesn't justify to be worth 2 1sts regardless of his potential ceiling.

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Oct. 23, 2023 at 6:08 p.m.

F50marco

Joined: May 2015

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This is a little too much to pay IMO. Pinto is good but i don't know he's this good. Especially WPG 1st which looks like it may be low.

Oct. 23, 2023 at 6:38 p.m.

csick

KFTW

Joined: Jul. 2018

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Quoting: wojohawk

I should watch more Sens games. If Pinto is worth 2 1sts in value, he must really be something.

Yeah this is an overpay by Winnipeg. Pinto isn’t worth 2 1sts. A 1st and another smaller piece. But not Lucius

Oct. 23, 2023 at 6:40 p.m.

wheeler5

realwheels_5

Joined: May 2016

Posts: 63

Likes: 20

His value is probably close to the kotkiniemi offer sheet or the recent newhook trade. Late 1st and a second, or two high 2nds. Guess imo this is abit high, not crazy absurd but abit high.

Oct. 23, 2023 at 10:10 p.m.

#10

Xspyrit

Joined: Jul. 2016

Posts: 10,506

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This trade works but I think Winnipeg would ask for a top-10 protection on that pick. Lucius is great prospect but has serious injury concerns, which lowers his value

My favorite offer for Pinto so far was Zary + 1st

Quoting: HShockey

The Sens plan on signing him for a one day contract for the next 6 months

Dorion has no plan, he goes by "name recognition" like the average hockey fan does. He throws stuff at the wall and hope it sticks

He's lucky for many reasons but no way this rebuild wouldn't have failed already if he didn't start with assets like Karlsson, Stone, Duchene, Pageau, Brassard (traded Zibanejad for him), etc and prospects like Chabot, Batherson, Paul, Formenton, etc

Sens have also made several brillant draft selections but the guy responsible for that, Trent Mann, is now fired and was initially hired by Bryan Murray in 2011

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