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Trading for Karlsson was a mistake time to rebuild

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Team: 2023-24 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 26, 2023
Published: Oct. 30, 2023
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Trades
1.
PIT
  1. Berggren, Jonatan
  2. Fabbri, Robby
  3. 2024 1st round pick (BOS)
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The condition would be it's a 2nd if Detroit doesn't make the playoffs
Fabbri is too injury prone, Rust is playing well and less prone to injury. Also 2 time cup winner
DET
  1. Rust, Bryan
Additional Details:
Rust has a full no move put might waive to play in Detroit since he's from Michigan
2.
PIT
  1. Goodrow, Barclay ($641,667 retained)
  2. Lafrenière, Alexis
  3. 2024 1st round pick (NYR)
  4. 2024 4th round pick (NYR)
Additional Details:
Rangers are in a win now, Laf is doing fairly well in my opinion but Guentzel is just that much better, at least right now
NYR
  1. Eller, Lars
  2. Guentzel, Jake ($3,000,000 retained)
  3. 2024 2nd round pick (PIT)
Additional Details:
Getting younger, Guentzel would probably stay but, that wouldn't help the rebuild
3.
PIT
  1. Bourgault, Xavier
  2. Broberg, Philip
  3. Campbell, Jack
  4. Foegele, Warren
  5. 2024 1st round pick (EDM)
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Oilers get Campbell's contract out, it would be a surprise if Pittsburgh is on his no trade list.
Not sure how much better Jarry is but, he's definitely not worse
Broberg is still young but, with inconsistent minutes and no place to move up in the lineup for the next 2yrs, it might not be a massive blow to move on.
EDM
  1. Acciari, Noel
  2. Hållander, Filip [Reserve List]
  3. Jarry, Tristan
  4. Laatsch, Daniel [Reserve List]
  5. Ruhwedel, Chad
  6. Zohorna, Radim
Additional Details:
Pittsburgh gets a prospect who's looking good in his 2nd pro season in Bourgault.
Broberg is still young and might get more consistent minutes with the Pens
Losing Jarry means they have no good goalie but, it's a rebuild and who knows maybe Campbell plays well enough
4.
PIT
  1. Brown, Joshua
  2. Jeník, Jan
  3. McBain, Jack
  4. 2024 4th round pick (ARI)
  5. 2025 2nd round pick (TOR)
Additional Details:
Arizona has some interesting options at LD but, I think as of right now Pettersson would be a better option for a team that is playing better than expected
ARI
  1. O'Connor, Drew
  2. Pettersson, Marcus
Additional Details:
Pittsburgh clears a little cap for other moves and gets more picks
McBain has been underwhelming but a change of scenery might spark a little breakthrough
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2024
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2025
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23$83,500,000$81,292,499$0$850,000$2,207,501
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LW
UFA - 2
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$8,700,000$8,700,000
C
NMC
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
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$2,325,000$2,325,000
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RFA - 2
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$6,100,000$6,100,000
C
NMC
UFA - 3
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
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UFA - 2
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$1,599,999$1,599,999
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
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UFA - 5
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
C, LW
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UFA - 4
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$775,000$775,000
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RFA - 1
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$3,125,000$3,125,000
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UFA - 1
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 6
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$10,000,000$10,000,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 4
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$825,000$825,000
LD
RFA - 1
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$6,100,000$6,100,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 5
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
G
UFA - 1
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LD
RFA - 1
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$1,275,000$1,275,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$900,000$900,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$775,000$775,000
LD
RFA - 2
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$775,000$775,000
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UFA - 1

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Oct. 30, 2023 at 1:59 p.m.
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Rangers laugh and easily pass
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Oct. 30, 2023 at 2:10 p.m.
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these are awful lol.

Oilers aren't going to offload a contract in Campbell just to take Jarry's.

Pens wouldn't trade to help the Rangers.

Price is way too high for rust.
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Oct. 30, 2023 at 2:11 p.m.
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Drury says no chance but keep dreaming.
Oct. 30, 2023 at 2:18 p.m.
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Detroit declines very quickly.
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Oct. 30, 2023 at 2:20 p.m.
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A team in Detroit's position will most certainly not be giving a 1st and a young, middle-6 guy for a 31 y/o signed for 5 more years.
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Oct. 30, 2023 at 2:28 p.m.
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Quoting: Onlyfairtrades1
Drury says no chance but keep dreaming.


This trade clears up 3mil for 2yrs on Goodrow's contract and gets you Guentzel, 40goal scorer who could pair up with Panarin.
But if you think it's better for the Rangers to blame Laf for not proving goals come playoffs instead of getting a proven 2time cup Champ that's fine by me
Oct. 30, 2023 at 2:28 p.m.
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Every team say no
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Oct. 30, 2023 at 2:30 p.m.
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Quoting: lowblocksniper
This trade clears up 3mil for 2yrs on Goodrow's contract and gets you Guentzel, 40goal scorer who could pair up with Panarin.
But if you think it's better for the Rangers to blame Laf for not proving goals come playoffs instead of getting a proven 2time cup Champ that's fine by me


Good then you should be happy keeping Guentzel and the Rangers and their fans will be happy keeping Laffy and continuing to make the playoffs and have a shot at the cup. VERY EASY NOPE from the Rangers on this nonsense trade offer.
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Oct. 30, 2023 at 2:32 p.m.
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Quoting: CoachCoach
Detroit declines very quickly.


Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER
A team in Detroit's position will most certainly not be giving a 1st and a young, middle-6 guy for a 31 y/o signed for 5 more years.


I put the 1st but, the pick could very well be a 2nd
Beggren is good but he's 23 and got sent down. Not really a middle 6 guy just yet
Fabric is always hurt so his 4mil is currently doing nothing positive for the team
I'll give you that the 5yrs is worrisome on Rust's contract but, not a massive risk in all honesty for Detroit
Oct. 30, 2023 at 2:33 p.m.
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Quoting: Onlyfairtrades1
Good then you should be happy keeping Guentzel and the Rangers and their fans will be happy keeping Laffy and continuing to make the playoffs and have a shot at the cup. VERY EASY NOPE from the Rangers on this nonsense trade offer.


They don't have a shot at the cup if they don't add scoring, that's what your not understanding
Oct. 30, 2023 at 2:35 p.m.
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A team in Detroit's position will most certainly not be giving a 1st and a young, middle-6 guy for a 31 y/o signed for 5 more years.


Detroit refused to trade that package for DeBrincat. But sure, let's do it for Rust because that would make sense
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Oct. 30, 2023 at 2:36 p.m.
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EDM easily says no that trade would ruin there chances at playoffs
Oct. 30, 2023 at 2:37 p.m.
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Quoting: Oilers_29
EDM easily says no that trade would ruin there chances at playoffs


Currently 2nd last place, is Foegle a secret weapon?
Campbell definitely doesn't help, so where do they get worse?
Oct. 30, 2023 at 2:39 p.m.
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They don't have a shot at the cup if they don't add scoring, that's what your not understanding


I understand they have a way better shot at a cup than the Pens and giving up a 22 year old wing that is finally getting top 6 minutes and showing he can score for a 29 year old DOES NOT get them any closer to winning a cup. That's what you don't understand.
Oct. 30, 2023 at 2:39 p.m.
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Quoting: lowblocksniper
Currently 2nd last place, is Foegle a secret weapon?
Campbell definitely doesn't help, so where do they get worse?

Bud do you know anything about hockey we’re less than 10 games in 2021-2022 avalanche went 4-5-1 and ended up winning 56 games that year still lots of season left
Oct. 30, 2023 at 2:41 p.m.
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Quoting: lowblocksniper
Currently 2nd last place, is Foegle a secret weapon?
Campbell definitely doesn't help, so where do they get worse?

Foegle is the oilers best two way forward and it’s his contract year probably gonna have a career year also had 2.2 P/60 last year with getting little to no powerplay time
Oct. 30, 2023 at 2:44 p.m.
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Quoting: lowblocksniper
I put the 1st but, the pick could very well be a 2nd
Beggren is good but he's 23 and got sent down. Not really a middle 6 guy just yet
Fabric is always hurt so his 4mil is currently doing nothing positive for the team
I'll give you that the 5yrs is worrisome on Rust's contract but, not a massive risk in all honesty for Detroit


He's getting depthed due to rather poor depth management.
Fabbri is iffy, but whatever.
1st or 2nd, that contract is bound to be bad.
Oct. 30, 2023 at 2:44 p.m.
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I put the 1st but, the pick could very well be a 2nd
Beggren is good but he's 23 and got sent down. Not really a middle 6 guy just yet
Fabric is always hurt so his 4mil is currently doing nothing positive for the team
I'll give you that the 5yrs is worrisome on Rust's contract but, not a massive risk in all honesty for Detroit


Berg is just fine. He is building chemistry with Soderblom, Kasper, and the rest of the young guns coming up in GR, while also building his confidence with PP time and top minutes.

SY already brought in guys like JT and Copp to fill out depth down the line while giving prospects/young players time to develop. Rust is a good player, but 5 years of him is too much considering what Detroit already has. Not to mention he could regress in the coming years.

Keep Berg, keep the 1st or 2nd, Fabbri doesn’t make or break the Wings, and Rust is not getting them over the hump.
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Oct. 30, 2023 at 2:45 p.m.
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Quoting: Onlyfairtrades1
I understand they have a way better shot at a cup than the Pens and giving up a 22 year old wing that is finally getting top 6 minutes and showing he can score for a 29 year old DOES NOT get them any closer to winning a cup. That's what you don't understand.


That 29yr old has 9points in 7games, 2 40goal seasons, cup Champ, has been averaging 1PPG for the last 5 yrs, scored 8goals in 7games last time he was in the playoffs
I thought you knew nothing, your reply just confirmed it lol
Oct. 30, 2023 at 2:53 p.m.
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That 29yr old has 9points in 7games, 2 40goal seasons, cup Champ, has been averaging 1PPG for the last 5 yrs, scored 8goals in 7games last time he was in the playoffs
I thought you knew nothing, your reply just confirmed it lol


Who is 29 and is a UFA after this year VS a 22 year old that is under team control at a reasonable cost and is finally getting top 6 minutes and has 4 goals in 8 games, so the know nothing is your side fella, and maybe grow up a little?
Oct. 30, 2023 at 7:02 p.m.
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Quoting: Onlyfairtrades1
Good then you should be happy keeping Guentzel and the Rangers and their fans will be happy keeping Laffy and continuing to make the playoffs and have a shot at the cup. VERY EASY NOPE from the Rangers on this nonsense trade offer.


These Guentzal for Laf proposals are insane. Great way to cut the Rangers window from the next decade+ to 2-3 years
Oct. 30, 2023 at 7:03 p.m.
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Pens wouldn't trade to help the Rangers.


To help the Rangers?! I want what you're smoking. Yeah let's trade away our first overall pick for peanuts and cut our window to 2-3 years. The Penguins are f**ked right now, this would only benefit THEM and Chris Drury would block your number
Oct. 30, 2023 at 7:06 p.m.
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The Rangers aren't in complete "win now". At all. Anyone who says that doesn't know what's going on. After Panarin, Zibanejad, Trouba, and so on are gone, another window opens up. Led by Chytil, Lafreniere, Kakko, KAM, Schneider, Fox, Perrault, Othmann. It would be nice to win now. But we don't mortgage a huge part of our future for Guentzel. That literally only benefits Pittsburgh. Thinking the Rangers should give Pittsburgh a first round pick in addition is even more insulting
Oct. 31, 2023 at 8:26 a.m.
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These Guentzal for Laf proposals are insane. Great way to cut the Rangers window from the next decade+ to 2-3 years


Your window is only 2-3 years, you have nobody to replace Zibanejad, Panarin and Kreider and they'll be 35 and 33. Trochek Contract is going to handcuff you guys going forward, your going to lose 1-2mil when they buy out Goodrow.
In the next 2 off-seasons you'll need to resign Kakko, Laf, Lindgren, Igor, Miller, Schneider, Jones and maybe Cuylle if he pans out and the only prospect that's signed that looks good so far is Othmann
You guys don't have the cash to keep the team long term, you have no young centers, you guys are in a win now, you don't have a decade
Oct. 31, 2023 at 2:08 p.m.
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Your window is only 2-3 years, you have nobody to replace Zibanejad, Panarin and Kreider and they'll be 35 and 33. Trochek Contract is going to handcuff you guys going forward, your going to lose 1-2mil when they buy out Goodrow.
In the next 2 off-seasons you'll need to resign Kakko, Laf, Lindgren, Igor, Miller, Schneider, Jones and maybe Cuylle if he pans out and the only prospect that's signed that looks good so far is Othmann
You guys don't have the cash to keep the team long term, you have no young centers, you guys are in a win now, you don't have a decade


Chytil replaces Zibanejad. Lafreniere replaces Panarin. Kakko replaces Kreider. What are you even talking about?

Trochek is going to be moved the second his NMC turns into a M-NTC. Lindgren is probably gone soon because his play style ages poorly.

We don't have a decade with the Zibanejad/Panarin core. But we absolutely aren't f**ked in 2-3 years like you seem to think. The team is designed so that the young guys slot into their spots when the time comes. And we have plenty of good youth talent in the cupboard, so please educate yourself. Othmann and Sykora are top prospects, Cuylle already looks great, Gabe Perrault is developing in the NCAA right now. Not to mention we are intentionally holding onto all of our first round picks, so more assets joining the org in the future.

Just because the Penguins are f**ked doesn't mean everyone else is. You don't know what you're talking about
 
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