Elliotte has said Carolina - among a handful of other teams took a run at Ferraro to acquire him, and are still looking at a deal. He’s said this has caused more teams to check in.

Other night he said Ferraro would be quite expensive, and personally I say we can use Hronek as a comparison in trade value (1st + 2nd) - however you could argue Ferraro could see a first and a high prospect due to the:

- 3m AAV
- Signed through this year, next year, and the year after
- being a defence/ block first player who’s regularly logged over 20min before on a bad team

Either way they are different players. Hronek was more of a producer, with no term. Ferraro has term and is cheap but isn’t going to slap up 40-50 points. I’d expect Grier is looking at an equal value to Hronek.

My guess is Grier is looking at Morrow and a first from Carolina which is why the deal obviously hasn’t been done yet. With more teams calling, it will be interesting.

My opinion is that Toronto could do something crazy.

Ferraro and Chris Tanev (2.25 retained by CGY, 1.125 retained by SJS). The 3 way deal they wanted to get done with Tanev and Zadorov which didn’t cross the line, could be done with the SJS and CGY. San Jose would be able to give Thrun or Shakir NHL playing time as a result.



The new future in Toronto having a D core of:

Rielly - Brodie (quality top pair)
Ferraro - Tanev (shutdown pair)
McCabe - Lili (rewarding 3rd pair)
Gio
Laegy

And I would bet Toronto would throw up both their firsts and maybe Topi to get the deal across the finish line. They resign Brodie for hopefully cheap and try to see if Tanev takes a team friendly deal. Could be the D line Toronto needs to win a cup.

I have no idea, it’s kind of odd because Elliotte could be spouting nonsense but he’s not a Marc Spector type of guy lol. Jokes aside Elliotte isn’t a guy who hard core lies. He’s trustworthy and it’s pretty interesting because if you’re San Jose, your logjam on LD - solved by acquiring a ransom for Ferraro is almost a best case and allows you do develop Thrun and play Shakir more in the AHL top pair.

He said it would be expensive and other teams are starting to join the “bids”. I wouldn’t see Grier trading Mario for less than a 1st so it’s bizarre the conversation is actually being had that the “expensive cost” isn’t being scoffed and conversations are being had.

I think San Jose as a whole has been bad so analytics don’t help their cases for trades and it’s going to come down to subjective opinion and pro scouts.

I'd absolutely love Ferraro in Toronto, and he would definition return some nice value based on the contract alone, but I can't really see the return being much more than a 1st and maybe another pick. He and Tanev would be a really nice pair. As soon as it was reported that San Jose was looking at moving a defenseman, I immediately thought of how great Ferraro would be.

If that's the cost so be it, but I can't see the Leafs also going out and adding Tanev if that's the case. Niemela is a no go as far as trade pieces go

That last line is why I used rel stats: they compare competition, icetime, and usage and generate numbers relative to their teammates. For reference, Knyzhov ranks 11th in the league among Quinn Hughes and Bouchard for CF%Rel despite ranking 209th in the league with his raw CF%. He wins the shots battle compared to his teammates as well as Hughes and Bouchard win the shots battle compared to their teammates.

Ah got ya.

Yeah but as we see with Knyzhov - for example - he’s always been enjoyable to watch (not frustrating like Vlasic or Hoffman for example): carries a 1.2m AAV x 1 more year, and is 6’3 222lbs.

I think any of the contenders with cap troubles should have claimed him. Would be top 4 in the AHL and has 2nd pair ceiling in the NHL if he can stay healthy and get some consistency in his icetime. He wasn’t claimed despite as you outline some good relative stats - and I think he should have been claimed by one of the contenders as a depth/ injury help or playoff run protection. It was obvious Knyzhov was Griers guy, and Okho has seen direct investment.

Okho took his job, hasn’t played bad but needs to improve. And we’ve seen Okho, Griers guy - take priority.

So it’s hard to really tell what teams are thinking. We see hundreds of bizarre moves every year - example being Addison.

Not quite the same situation - but MIN said we don’t want to invest more time into Calen, we’ll acquire kinda of 7th man in Bogo and use his size on the 3rd pair and trade Calen for ad best a 4th liner (Raska who I really like) and a mid/ late pick. Many people including MIN reporters like Russo scratching their heads.

Teams currently in LTIR wouldn't have been able to pick him up without likely having to waive him again. Depending on player recovery timelines, it's more of a pain in the ass to bring a guy on for a few games than it is to just play your own #7 guy.

I think teams like Nashville, Detroit, and PHilly should have claimed him but the way teams internally evaluate their own players and the players from other teams probably suggested he'd be a marginal upgrade at best. At an AAV almost double league-minimum, marginal upgrades just won't cut it.

Elliotte has said Carolina - among a handful of other teams took a run at Ferraro to acquire him, and are still looking at a deal. He’s said this has caused more teams to check in.

Other night he said Ferraro would be quite expensive, and personally I say we can use Hronek as a comparison in trade value (1st + 2nd) - however you could argue Ferraro could see a first and a high prospect due to the:

- 3m AAV
- Signed through this year, next year, and the year after
- being a defence/ block first player who’s regularly logged over 20min before on a bad team

Either way they are different players. Hronek was more of a producer, with no term. Ferraro has term and is cheap but isn’t going to slap up 40-50 points. I’d expect Grier is looking at an equal value to Hronek.

My guess is Grier is looking at Morrow and a first from Carolina which is why the deal obviously hasn’t been done yet. With more teams calling, it will be interesting.

My opinion is that Toronto could do something crazy.

Ferraro and Chris Tanev (2.25 retained by CGY, 1.125 retained by SJS). The 3 way deal they wanted to get done with Tanev and Zadorov which didn’t cross the line, could be done with the SJS and CGY. San Jose would be able to give Thrun or Shakir NHL playing time as a result.



The new future in Toronto having a D core of:

Rielly - Brodie (quality top pair)
Ferraro - Tanev (shutdown pair)
McCabe - Lili (rewarding 3rd pair)
Gio
Laegy

And I would bet Toronto would throw up both their firsts and maybe Topi to get the deal across the finish line. They resign Brodie for hopefully cheap and try to see if Tanev takes a team friendly deal. Could be the D line Toronto needs to win a cup.

Sharks trying to move Vlasic, apparently. Seems silly to me. Gonna waste your last retention slot on a guy who's contract will be up by the time you're competitive window opens to recoup minimal assets, if any?

I just realized that barring something unforeseen, Shane Wright will be at the WJC for the 3rd straight time. Is that a first for team Canada? Or just the first in a long time?

Think he already came out and said No...
Been there, done that, got the T-shirt kinda play

I get there's other stuff into deciding cap but come on NHL fork over extra 300k to make it 88m foe 2024-2025 lul

87.7m just feels weird

I know McDrai exists and I have a slight bias,
But how close are Kuch-Point to being the best duo in the NHL?

I know McDrai exists and I have a slight bias,
But how close are Kuch-Point to being the best duo in the NHL?

Carcone and Kerfoot are the best duo in the league

around 3 or 4 maybe...

1. McDavid/Draisaitl
2. MacKinnon/Rantanen
3. Tkachuk/Barkov
4. Kucherov/Point
5. Hughes/Bratt
6. Matthews/Marner
7. Pettersson/Miller

(assuming forwards only)

Carcone and Kerfoot are the best duo in the league

around 3 or 4 maybe...

1. McDavid/Draisaitl
2. MacKinnon/Rantanen
3. Tkachuk/Barkov
4. Kucherov/Point
5. Hughes/Bratt
6. Matthews/Marner
7. Pettersson/Miller

(assuming forwards only)

JOSH ANDERSON, finally