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Risky Moves

Created by: KingExLeafs
Team: 2023-24 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 30, 2023
Published: Nov. 30, 2023
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TOR
  1. Tanev, Christopher ($2,250,000 retained)
CGY
  1. Liljegren, Timothy
  2. Robertson, Nicholas
  3. 2024 3rd round pick (NYI)
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2024
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2025
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2026
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
21$83,500,000$78,894,283$0$0$4,605,717
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$925,000$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
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$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
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$6,962,366$6,962,366
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UFA - 1
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 2
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$4,975,000$4,975,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
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$2,300,000$2,300,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
C, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$2,100,000$2,100,000
RW, C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$775,000$775,000
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RFA - 1
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$2,400,000$2,400,000
C
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UFA - 4
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$1,350,000$1,350,000
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$8,000,000$8,000,000
LD
UFA - 5
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$4,100,000$4,100,000
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UFA - 4
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$766,667$766,667
G
RFA - 2
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$7,500,000$7,500,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 7
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-$1,125,000-$1,125,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$3,550,000$3,550,000
G
UFA - 1
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$1,100,000$1,100,000
RD
RFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$775,000$775,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$800,000$800,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$5,625,000$5,625,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$4,687,500$4,687,500
G
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$4,150,000$4,150,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1

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Nov. 30, 2023 at 12:39 a.m.
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Robertson doesn’t do anything for us

Send us Liljegren + Minten + Jarnkrok instead
Nov. 30, 2023 at 12:44 a.m.
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Quoting: KingofRnR
Robertson doesn’t do anything for us

Send us Liljegren + Minten + Jarnkrok instead


+ Knies + Cowan + 1st + 3rd + + +
Nov. 30, 2023 at 12:51 a.m.
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Everyone but the Leafs decline.
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Nov. 30, 2023 at 12:56 a.m.
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How is this risky
Nov. 30, 2023 at 1:00 a.m.
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Quoting: KingExLeafs
+ Knies + Cowan + 1st + 3rd + + +

Are you throwing a tantrum right now!?
Nov. 30, 2023 at 1:02 a.m.
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That first in the Boston deal is going to be late so if that's the comp for DeBrusk that doesn't happen.
Zero incentive to lose Carlo for Brodie.
And while I have seen a bunch of Bs fans talking about Bert after Keefe chewed him out on the bench the other night, I don't think they want to move Frederic to get him.
Overall a pretty sizeable no from Sweeney
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Nov. 30, 2023 at 1:09 a.m.
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How is this risky


Chabot might turn out to be a lesser version of Rielly, at a bigger cap hit.

Tanev could blow a knee and go on LTIR for the rest of the year.

The 1st could become a lottery pick if the Leafs don't make the playoffs which is not guaranteed at all at this point.
Nov. 30, 2023 at 1:26 a.m.
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Quoting: csick
How is this risky


Treveling might think he can rip people off and start making more trades with his traditional
MO.
Nov. 30, 2023 at 1:31 a.m.
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Bruins don’t pick up the phone
Nov. 30, 2023 at 2:08 a.m.
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Boston is contending and won't trade to make their roster worse especially to a division rival.

Ottawa won't give up Chabot for a guy who could walk next season.

Personally I think that's a fair trade for Tanev. He's 34, pending FA, injury prone due to his style and doesn't provide much offense. I know flames fan expect 1st round plus I just think they are way over valuing both of their free agent dmen.
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Nov. 30, 2023 at 2:15 a.m.
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Quoting: Ktownchef
Boston is contending and won't trade to make their roster worse especially to a division rival.

Ottawa won't give up Chabot for a guy who could walk next season.

Personally I think that's a fair trade for Tanev. He's 34, pending FA, injury prone due to his style and doesn't provide much offense. I know flames fan expect 1st round plus I just think they are way over valuing both of their free agent dmen.

Goes to show how much you know lol

CGY has 3 Pending UFA Defensemen who will each fetch a very nice return for The Flames
Nov. 30, 2023 at 2:25 a.m.
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Quoting: KingofRnR
Goes to show how much you know lol

CGY has 3 Pending UFA Defensemen who will each fetch a very nice return for The Flames


I know you have 3.. I didn't include Hanafin because to my knowledge he hasn't been mentioned near as often in trade rumors as Tanev and Zadorov. All the power to you if you think you'll be sitting on 4 first round picks next year but I don't see it happening.
Nov. 30, 2023 at 2:53 a.m.
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Quoting: Ktownchef
I know you have 3.. I didn't include Hanafin because to my knowledge he hasn't been mentioned near as often in trade rumors as Tanev and Zadorov. All the power to you if you think you'll be sitting on 4 first round picks next year but I don't see it happening.

Hopefully me neither. Quality Players and/or NHL Ready (or soon to be) Prospects would be far better
Nov. 30, 2023 at 5:22 a.m.
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Quoting: KingExLeafs
Chabot might turn out to be a lesser version of Rielly, at a bigger cap hit.

Tanev could blow a knee and go on LTIR for the rest of the year.

The 1st could become a lottery pick if the Leafs don't make the playoffs which is not guaranteed at all at this point.


And the Leafs could win a playoff round... Not likely but just about anything --could-- happen except the Leafs winning the Cup.
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Nov. 30, 2023 at 6:31 a.m.
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OTT declines
Nov. 30, 2023 at 9:29 a.m.
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I COULD be interested but :

- Marner needs to come with an extension under 10.0 AAV (so this can't happen before July 2024)

- Sens need to acquire a below 30 y/o Top-4 RHD in another trade/UFA

Quoting: KingExLeafs
Chabot might turn out to be a lesser version of Rielly, at a bigger cap hit.

Chabot is already 26, "might turn" sounds weird for a veteran

They are kinda similar and about the same level, definitely in the same tier, around top-25/30 D-men

Chabot only makes 500 000$ more but the thing he has is that he is 3 years younger and his contract doesn't expire at 35 y/o like Rielly

Quoting: KingofRnR
CGY has 3 Pending UFA Defensemen who will each fetch a very nice return for The Flames

Believe me, Liljegren + Robertson + 3rd is a good return for Tanev
Nov. 30, 2023 at 12:02 p.m.
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Believe me, Liljegren + Robertson + 3rd is a good return for Tanev

I didn’t say it wasn’t, we just have no interest in or need for Robertson, so I chose Minten instead, knowing TOR Fans over value Robertson and Minten actually fits one our needs
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Nov. 30, 2023 at 12:10 p.m.
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Quoting: KingofRnR
I didn’t say it wasn’t, we just have no interest in or need for Robertson, so I chose Minten instead, knowing TOR Fans over value Robertson and Minten actually fits one our needs


Really? Minten (our top C/F prospect ready to play next year) in a trade for for a mid 30 year old D man that at best a 2nd pair guy? Give us Coronato for Brodie. Sounds pretty crazy. You get Lily, a 1st and a decent prospect like McMann or Abbruzzese
Nov. 30, 2023 at 12:34 p.m.
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IBelieve me, Liljegren + Robertson + 3rd is a good return for Tanev


Believe me you don't have a clue what Tanev (or Zadorov) is worth or what the Flames want in return for either player.
Nov. 30, 2023 at 12:39 p.m.
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Quoting: DealFinder67
Really? Minten (our top C/F prospect ready to play next year) in a trade for for a mid 30 year old D man that at best a 2nd pair guy? Give us Coronato for Brodie. Sounds pretty crazy. You get Lily, a 1st and a decent prospect like McMann or Abbruzzese

Pro Tip: Toronto doesn't have any "Top" Prospects, other than maybe Knies & Cowan. Minten got a look, because TOR lacks depth, but did nothing with it. He's still just an Unproven 2nd Round Prospect man

McMann is a 27 year old Pending UFA & Abruzzese is a 24 year old Pending Group-6 UFA... I like and would take both, simply because of their Alberta & Coronato connections, but neither has any real Trade Value, other than being offered as Sweeteners
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Nov. 30, 2023 at 12:43 p.m.
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Quoting: KingofRnR
Pro Tip: Toronto doesn't have any "Top" Prospects, other than maybe Knies & Cowan. Minten got a look, because TOR lacks depth, but did nothing with it. He's still just an Unproven 2nd Round Prospect man

McMann is a 27 year old Pending UFA & Abruzzese is a 24 year old Pending Group-6 UFA... I like and would take both, simply because of their Alberta & Coronato connections, but neither has any real Trade Value, other than being offered as Sweeteners


Like you said, both sweeteners to the 1st and Lily. Not gonna argue opinion. We will have to see what he is worth when the trade happens. 👍
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Nov. 30, 2023 at 1:23 p.m.
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I didn’t say it wasn’t, we just have no interest in or need for Robertson, so I chose Minten instead, knowing TOR Fans over value Robertson and Minten actually fits one our needs

I see, might be a better idea than Robertson who has been injured often but Nick Robertson has top-6 talent and is still just 22, will probably be a top-6 forward if he stays healthy

Problem is it becomes too much if it becomes Minten, Liljegren seems to be quite underrated...

I have no say in this and actually should naturally be more against the Leafs as they are Ottawa's direct rival, and by the way, I was a HUGE Kiprusoff fan, but not sure I'd like to give up all that as a Leaf fan

Quoting: DealFinder67
Really? Minten (our top C/F prospect ready to play next year) in a trade for for a mid 30 year old D man that at best a 2nd pair guy? Give us Coronato for Brodie. Sounds pretty crazy. You get Lily, a 1st and a decent prospect like McMann or Abbruzzese

Liljegren + 1st already seems like a lot to me

If you don't want to keep Liljegren, I'd certainly make an offer for him

Quoting: MoxNix
Believe me you don't have a clue what Tanev (or Zadorov) is worth or what the Flames want in return for either player.

ok so what do the Flames want for Tanev?
Nov. 30, 2023 at 1:34 p.m.
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I see, might be a better idea than Robertson who has been injured often but Nick Robertson has top-6 talent and is still just 22, will probably be a top-6 forward if he stays healthy

Problem is it becomes too much if it becomes Minten, Liljegren seems to be quite underrated...

I have no say in this and actually should naturally be more against the Leafs as they are Ottawa's direct rival, and by the way, I was a HUGE Kiprusoff fan, but not sure I'd like to give up all that as a Leaf fan


Liljegren + 1st already seems like a lot to me

If you don't want to keep Liljegren, I'd certainly make an offer for him


ok so what do the Flames want for Tanev?

Liljegren is overrated and not the defensemen he was expected or projected to be. Only reason he gets Top-4 minutes in TOR is because they only have 1 good defensemen now in Reilly... TOR didn't really want to use him in the Playoffs either, he's not Trustworthy or Reliable enough

Robertson wouldn't make the roster over Mangiapane, Coleman, Sharangovich, Dube, Ruzicka, Pospisil, Greer, Duehr, Coronato, Pelletier, Zary, Klapka or come next season Honzek. As you can see, another Winger is the last thing we need, especially a Small, Inconsistent one like Robertson
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Nov. 30, 2023 at 6:18 p.m.
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Quoting: KingofRnR
Goes to show how much you know lol

CGY has 3 Pending UFA Defensemen who will each fetch a very nice return for The Flames


Looks like I have a better understanding of what your dmen are worth then you do. A 3rd and a 5th for Zadorov to a division rival no less.
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Nov. 30, 2023 at 7:12 p.m.
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Quoting: KingofRnR
Goes to show how much you know lol

CGY has 3 Pending UFA Defensemen who will each fetch a very nice return for The Flames


Ummm...who is going to tell him?
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