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If Tre is Strategic

Created by: Rajvinder
Team: 2023-24 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 10, 2023
Published: Dec. 10, 2023
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Some of the teams I'm trading with are just placeholders. Most looking at the logic from Toronto's side.
Free Agent Signings
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$1,250,000
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. Cristall, Andrew
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2nd round pick for the Capitals. Solid prospect.
WSH
  1. Domi, Max
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Domi is on pace for 41 assists. He has a top 5 assist per 60 in the league and is analytically a top 3 playmaker in the league.

For Toronto tho he's just a cheap and worse Marner. He can't play D, he isn't physical, he doesn't shoot.

He's very one dimensional.

For Washington he has the one dimension they are missing and he has it at an elite level. Throw him with Ovi and they could be a serious contender.
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TOR
  1. Bellemare, Pierre-Édouard
  2. Wennberg, Alexander ($2,250,000 retained)
  3. 2024 2nd round pick (SEA)
  4. 2024 3rd round pick (TOR)
SEA
  1. Holmberg, Pontus
  2. 2024 1st round pick (TOR)
5.
CGY
  1. Abruzzese, Nick
  2. 2024 2nd round pick (SEA)
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2024
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2025
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2026
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22$83,500,000$77,659,783$0$0$5,840,217
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
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$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
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$10,903,000$10,903,000
RW
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UFA - 2
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
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UFA - 1
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
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UFA - 2
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$6,962,366$6,962,366
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UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000
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$0$0
C
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UFA - 1
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$2,100,000$2,100,000
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UFA - 3
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$775,000$775,000
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RFA - 1
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$2,400,000$2,400,000
C
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UFA - 4
$1,250,000$1,250,000
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UFA - 1
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$775,000$775,000
C, LW
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Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$7,500,000$7,500,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 7
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$1,125,000$1,125,000
RD
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UFA - 1
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$766,667$766,667
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RFA - 2
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
LD/RD
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UFA - 2
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$1,400,000$1,400,000
RD
RFA - 1
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$2,600,000$2,600,000
G
UFA - 3
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$800,000$800,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$762,500$762,500
RD
UFA - 1
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$775,000$775,000
LD
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ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$5,625,000$5,625,000
LD
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UFA - 1
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$4,687,500$4,687,500
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UFA - 1
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$4,150,000$4,150,000
RD
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UFA - 1

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Dec. 10, 2023 at 3:30 p.m.
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Canucks pass
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Dec. 10, 2023 at 3:31 p.m.
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Vancouver declines. Even in the coach's doghouse, Kuzmenko is worth more than that.
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Dec. 10, 2023 at 3:31 p.m.
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Why would Caps want Domi ? Especially for an A level prospect? Just keep him and hope a team that needs a center comes knocking
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Dec. 10, 2023 at 3:40 p.m.
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Kuzmenko to the Leafs?
Ugh no thanks.
Besides the Leafs have players that are better than Kuzmenko.
Why the Leafs do that?
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Dec. 10, 2023 at 3:42 p.m.
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Caps cry at the thought of losing Cristall then solidly pass.
Dec. 10, 2023 at 3:43 p.m.
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Canucks def pass - sophomore slump and he still has a chance to get tocc's trust again. almost 40 goal scorer should be worth more imo
Dec. 10, 2023 at 3:45 p.m.
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Leafs want nothing to do with soft Kuzmenko. Easy pass
Dec. 10, 2023 at 3:45 p.m.
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Quoting: audiodave
Vancouver declines. Even in the coach's doghouse, Kuzmenko is worth more than that.


Nope, not at all. Soft and can't forecheck, those guys don't get more than a 3rd round pick

Leafs don't even consider in the first place
Dec. 10, 2023 at 3:50 p.m.
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Dec. 10, 2023 at 4:13 p.m.
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Edmonton passes

Stu >> Sammy
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Dec. 10, 2023 at 4:44 p.m.
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Quoting: DogDayCaps2
Why would Caps want Domi ? Especially for an A level prospect? Just keep him and hope a team that needs a center comes knocking


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Caps cry at the thought of losing Cristall then solidly pass.


Cristall is the most overhyped prospect just because his buddy is Bedard. He is not an A level prospect. His skating is average at best and in a league where skating is the most important skill, that is certainly NOT an A level prospect.

Not saying that has any affect on this trade. I don’t think it works for either team.
Dec. 10, 2023 at 7:03 p.m.
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Quoting: GreatWhiteNorth
Cristall is the most overhyped prospect just because his buddy is Bedard. He is not an A level prospect. His skating is average at best and in a league where skating is the most important skill, that is certainly NOT an A level prospect.

Not saying that has any affect on this trade. I don’t think it works for either team.


Yes one of the best players in arguably the best junior league is “overhyped”. He worked on his skating and will continue to work on it. If it wasn’t for his skating he would have been an early 1st round pick. You are ***** delusional if you think he’s less than an A level prospect. Either way Capitals arent giving him up for Domi lol. It would have to be for a massively better option.
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Dec. 10, 2023 at 7:33 p.m.
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Yes one of the best players in arguably the best junior league is “overhyped”. He worked on his skating and will continue to work on it. If it wasn’t for his skating he would have been an early 1st round pick. You are ***** delusional if you think he’s less than an A level prospect. Either way Capitals arent giving him up for Domi lol. It would have to be for a massively better option.


Lol. Bias Caps fan..

He’s not an A level prospect. Just because he has a lot of points in junior means absolutely nothing. He’s in his OA year in junior. He SHOULD dominate the league and if he didn’t then I’d be more worried. But the skating will always hold him back. Won’t be anything more than a 2nd line forward at best, likely a scoring 3rd line guy. If you think that’s a A level prospect then you’re “****ing delusional”.

Nic Petan dominated in is OA years (who was a much better skater at the same age). His linemate Ty Rattie dominated in his OA year. Hell even Justin Brazeau dominated in his OA years and even scored 60 goals once - they’re all AHL scorers at best. And Rattie and Brazeau had similar skating issues to Cristall, but I bet you never thought of them as A level prospects.

Chill on the hype. Being Bedard’s buddy doesn’t gift you anything.
Dec. 10, 2023 at 7:38 p.m.
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Lol. Bias Caps fan..

He’s not an A level prospect. Just because he has a lot of points in junior means absolutely nothing. He’s in his OA year in junior. He SHOULD dominate the league and if he didn’t then I’d be more worried. But the skating will always hold him back. Won’t be anything more than a 2nd line forward at best, likely a scoring 3rd line guy. If you think that’s a A level prospect then you’re “****ing delusional”.

Nic Petan dominated in is OA years (who was a much better skater at the same age). His linemate Ty Rattie dominated in his OA year. Hell even Justin Brazeau dominated in his OA years and even scored 60 goals once - they’re all AHL scorers at best. And Rattie and Brazeau had similar skating issues to Cristall, but I bet you never thought of them as A level prospects.

Chill on the hype. Being Bedard’s buddy doesn’t gift you anything.


Difference is … Cristall is elite in EVERY SINGLE category besides skating. Hes been working with PROFESSIONAL skill coaches to improve his skating. I’m not “bias” I’m just being real. Hes top 2 in ppg in theWHL. Not giving that up for an average bottom 6 rental. Do you think Leonard isn’t an A level prospect bc he’s Will Smith buddy also? Lol.
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Dec. 10, 2023 at 7:42 p.m.
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Difference is … Cristall is elite in EVERY SINGLE category besides skating. Hes been working with PROFESSIONAL skill coaches to improve his skating. I’m not “bias” I’m just being real. Hes top 2 in ppg in theWHL. Not giving that up for an average bottom 6 rental. Do you think Leonard isn’t an A level prospect bc he’s Will Smith buddy also? Lol.


Clearly you can’t read anything I said. But sure, go ahead and believe that points are the determining factor for prospects. Have fun with that.

Cristall has a scoring touch, he is not elite in “every other category besides skating”. Lmao…

Have a good night kid.
Dec. 10, 2023 at 7:56 p.m.
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Quoting: GreatWhiteNorth
Clearly you can’t read anything I said. But sure, go ahead and believe that points are the determining factor for prospects. Have fun with that.

Cristall has a scoring touch, he is not elite in “every other category besides skating”. Lmao…

Have a good night kid.


https://x.com/byronmbader/status/1674439607717593088?s=46

Yes!! Scoring matters bc if he had 5 points in 39 games we wouldn’t be having this talk. lol use your brain. “Can’t read” I can but no im just not going to dismiss or diminish his ability to score bc you think it doesn’t matter. That’s idiotic.

He is showing how elite he is in the WHL. He’s arguably the biggest steal on the 2023 draft. So yeah a kid that is showing an elite scoring touch and is top 2 in ppg in the WHL is considered an A level prospect.

Goodnight hater. 😘
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Dec. 10, 2023 at 8:04 p.m.
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Oilers easily decline
Dec. 10, 2023 at 8:06 p.m.
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Quoting: DogDayCaps2
https://x.com/byronmbader/status/1674439607717593088?s=46

Yes!! Scoring matters bc if he had 5 points in 39 games we wouldn’t be having this talk. lol use your brain. “Can’t read” I can but no im just not going to dismiss or diminish his ability to score bc you think it doesn’t matter. That’s idiotic.

He is showing how elite he is in the WHL. He’s arguably the biggest steal on the 2023 draft. So yeah a kid that is showing an elite scoring touch and is top 2 in ppg in the WHL is considered an A level prospect.

Goodnight hater. 😘


Cristall’s so elite he wasn’t even invited to the u20 camp for Canada which is for the best prospects in junior hockey 🤔

Nice try kid.
Dec. 10, 2023 at 8:33 p.m.
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Cristall’s so elite he wasn’t even invited to the u20 camp for Canada which is for the best prospects in junior hockey 🤔

Nice try kid.


Yes him and Heidt both didn’t get invited and it’s raising a ton of question marks. Especially when Yager Firkus and Geekie are having worse /similar years But you must have never played hockey at a high level if you don’t understand that there is politics in hockey.

“Nice try kid”
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Dec. 10, 2023 at 8:45 p.m.
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Quoting: DogDayCaps2
Yes him and Heidt both didn’t get invited and it’s raising a ton of question marks. Especially when Yager Firkus and Geekie are having worse /similar years But you must have never played hockey at a high level if you don’t understand that there is politics in hockey.

“Nice try kid”


You must have never played hockey if you think that just points is such a factor is a players skill.

Matt Savoie had a rift with Hockey Canada over his exceptional status/NCAA choice. Even he made the team invite. Cristall didn’t because Hockey Canada values good skaters for their team, something that Cristall isn’t. But hey if Cristall is such an elite scorer, shouldn’t he have been on their top line by your logic?

He’s not an A level prospect bud. A level prospect is guaranteed to make the NHL and guaranteed to be a top 6 in the league - both of which aren’t guarantees for Cristall. He’s a B prospect at best, likely closer to a B-. There’s been guys that have scored at his rate in junior and not made much of a career in the NHL. So if your only argument is because he’s 3rd in the WHL in PPG well then it’s you that doesn’t know hockey. There’s so much more to hockey than just points.

Not gonna keep going back and forth with you bud. You’re clearly bias cause he’s a prospect of your favourite team, maybe the beer goggles are blinding you. Agree to disagree cause I’m not wasting my time on this anymore.
Dec. 11, 2023 at 8:01 p.m.
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Quoting: GreatWhiteNorth
Cristall is the most overhyped prospect just because his buddy is Bedard. He is not an A level prospect. His skating is average at best and in a league where skating is the most important skill, that is certainly NOT an A level prospect.

Not saying that has any affect on this trade. I don’t think it works for either team.


Disagree. I followed the 2023 draft closely for almost a year beforehand. Cristall isn't overhyped in the slightest. Yeah, sure, he may not be an A-level prospect, but he's worth more than Domi.
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