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Time for Jersey to move on from Vanacek

Created by: Wreckless
Team: 2023-24 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 4, 2024
Published: Jan. 4, 2024
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Description
Devils will not win in the playoffs unless they upgrade significantly in goals.
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. 2026 2nd round pick (COL)
Additional Details:
+ a prospect
Draft pick is in 2026.
COL
  1. Monahan, Sean
Additional Details:
Salary doesn’t need retention. Colorado has LTIR space.
2.
MTL
  1. 2025 4th round pick (NJD)
NJD
  1. Pearson, Tanner ($1,625,000 retained)
Additional Details:
Rental at the deadline.
Probably goes for a 3rd or 4th at half salary.
Plus and play with Toffoli.
3.
MTL
  1. Vanecek, Vitek
Additional Details:
Possibly goes on waivers first.
Cap dump.
NJD
    Habs send him to the AHL if he clears waivers.
    Possibly flip him to someone like Chicago who has zero cap issues next year.
    4.
    MTL
      Could be a waiver claim.
      CHI
      1. Vanecek, Vitek
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      Cap dump.
      5.
      MTL
      1. 2026 2nd round pick (MIN)
      Additional Details:
      + a prospect
      Draft pick in 2026.
      MIN
      1. Allen, Jake
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      Keeps Fleury fresh.
      Wild have tons of LTIR space.
      They need a goalie for next year.
      Makes sense on so many levels.
      6.
      MTL
      1. 2024 3rd round pick (TBL)
      2. 2025 2nd round pick (TBL)
      TBL
      1. Savard, David
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      Tampa won a cup with him.
      And they have tons of LTIR room.
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      Jan. 4 at 11:07 a.m.
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      Wouldn't it make more sense to trade Allen to NJ? Minny has Gustafsson in net with Flower backing him up.

      Gus is currently on IR but he'll be back eventually.
      Jan. 4 at 11:11 a.m.
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      Devils do not need Pearson. If they are healthy, the top 9 is hard to push anyone out of.

      As far as goaltending, this doesn't help the Devils at all. Give no idea of a goalie the Devils should get.
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      Jan. 4 at 11:15 a.m.
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      Col will pass yet again on Monahan who gets crushed in shot share, scores 50% of his points on the power play, and isn’t a great skater or in other words a smaller RyJo.
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      Jan. 4 at 11:28 a.m.
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      If you want the hawks to take vanecek you can send over a 3rd round pick with him. No reason to take a cap dump for free especially when you're one of the very few teams that have cap space.
      Also there's zero chance Allen gets a 2nd. They'd be lucky to get a 3rd for him.
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      Jan. 4 at 12:03 p.m.
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      The consensus among the Avalanche fanbase is that Monahan is no fit with the Avs. Value wise your 2026 2nd round pick is better than the 2024 1st round pick that’s going on here tho.
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      Jan. 4 at 12:04 p.m.
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      Tanner Pearson plays goalie?
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      Jan. 4 at 12:17 p.m.
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      Avs decline Monahan. He's simply not a good fit.
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      Jan. 4 at 12:45 p.m.
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      COL has had ample opportunity to bring in Monahan if they wanted. They haven't.
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      Jan. 4 at 1:12 p.m.
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      Quoting: SociallyHawkward
      If you want the hawks to take vanecek you can send over a 3rd round pick with him. No reason to take a cap dump for free especially when you're one of the very few teams that have cap space.
      Also there's zero chance Allen gets a 2nd. They'd be lucky to get a 3rd for him.


      Based on how aggressive Chicago has been with utilizing cap for value, is a third round pick sufficient to take Vanacek’s two years? I believe he is 3.8m to 4.8m overpaid over that time frame. the balance is NJ can probably keep him as dead cap space OR try to bury him in the AHL. If no one claimed Samsanov or Comrie, they aren’t claiming him.

      Pair with Mrazek and get a better pick than you’d expect for Mrazek alone?
      Jan. 4 at 1:17 p.m.
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      Quoting: Celtics21
      Based on how aggressive Chicago has been with utilizing cap for value, is a third round pick sufficient to take Vanacek’s two years? I believe he is 3.8m to 4.8m overpaid over that time frame. the balance is NJ can probably keep him as dead cap space OR try to bury him in the AHL. If no one claimed Samsanov or Comrie, they aren’t claiming him.

      Pair with Mrazek and get a better pick than you’d expect for Mrazek alone?


      I could see mrazek for vanecek and a 2nd
      Jan. 4 at 1:19 p.m.
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      Quoting: NJDevils1317
      Devils do not need Pearson. If they are healthy, the top 9 is hard to push anyone out of.

      As far as goaltending, this doesn't help the Devils at all. Give no idea of a goalie the Devils should get.


      I’m not a Devils fan. They can go after whoever they want. I’m tired of Devils fans coming here saying “we don’t want Allen.” The main point is that there’s enough data on Vanacek now.
      He’s not a fit. They need to upgrade.
      Jan. 4 at 1:22 p.m.
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      Minnesota has Gustavsson as their starter and Wallstedt in the AHL so they need to massively overpay for a worse goalie because...? Just another ACGM that pays no attention to the other teams.
      Jan. 4 at 1:22 p.m.
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      Quoting: SharkTank
      Wouldn't it make more sense to trade Allen to NJ? Minny has Gustafsson in net with Flower backing him up.

      Gus is currently on IR but he'll be back eventually.


      Those injuries are trickery for goalies. You can give him all the time he needs to heal. But if I were Minny, I’d make that move as much for next year as for this one. Your goalie position is secure.
      Jan. 4 at 1:23 p.m.
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      Quoting: NJDevils1317
      Devils do not need Pearson. If they are healthy, the top 9 is hard to push anyone out of.

      As far as goaltending, this doesn't help the Devils at all. Give no idea of a goalie the Devils should get.


      Playoffs, not regular season. You need 4 lines to win a cup.
      Jan. 4 at 1:24 p.m.
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      Quoting: SociallyHawkward
      If you want the hawks to take vanecek you can send over a 3rd round pick with him. No reason to take a cap dump for free especially when you're one of the very few teams that have cap space.
      Also there's zero chance Allen gets a 2nd. They'd be lucky to get a 3rd for him.


      I agree that Jersey probably needs to add a pick to dump Vanacek’s contract. We’ll see what happens.
      Jan. 4 at 1:26 p.m.
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      Quoting: SociallyHawkward
      If you want the hawks to take vanecek you can send over a 3rd round pick with him. No reason to take a cap dump for free especially when you're one of the very few teams that have cap space.
      Also there's zero chance Allen gets a 2nd. They'd be lucky to get a 3rd for him.


      A 2026 2nd is close to a 2024 3rd. Allen probably goes to whoever offers the best draft pick at the deadline. Time will tell what that ends up being. No point making too many assumptions now, probably depends on the injury situations of multiple teams at that point.
      Jan. 4 at 1:30 p.m.
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      Quoting: Caerii
      Minnesota has Gustavsson as their starter and Wallstedt in the AHL so they need to massively overpay for a worse goalie because...? Just another ACGM that pays no attention to the other teams.


      Massively overpay? A 2026 second rounder. Take a look at all of Minnesota’s second rounds picks since 2011. Jordan Greenway. Average at best. And…*crickets*…
      Jan. 4 at 1:31 p.m.
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      Quoting: SociallyHawkward
      I could see mrazek for vanecek and a 2nd


      Jersey needs better than Mrazek too…
      Jan. 4 at 1:32 p.m.
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      Quoting: Wreckless
      Massively overpay? A 2026 second rounder. Take a look at all of Minnesota’s second rounds picks since 2011. Jordan Greenway. Average at best. And…*crickets*…


      That has nothing to do with anything. A team with two better goalies in their system already isn't going to overpay for a $4M third string goalie.

      You made a bad proposal. Take it in stride, do better next time. No need to get so defensive.
      Jan. 4 at 1:34 p.m.
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      Quoting: Wreckless
      A 2026 2nd is close to a 2024 3rd. Allen probably goes to whoever offers the best draft pick at the deadline. Time will tell what that ends up being. No point making too many assumptions now, probably depends on the injury situations of multiple teams at that point.


      History says the only goalies that return a 2nd round pick are elite but old goalies like fleury or elite but has a screw loose goalies like lehner. Allen is the type of goalie that gets a 4th unless a team is desperate, their gm is stupid (edmonton), and there's no other goalies on the market. Then he might return a 3rd.
      Jan. 4 at 1:39 p.m.
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      Quoting: Wreckless
      Jersey needs better than Mrazek too…


      It's just not available this season.
      Jan. 4 at 1:39 p.m.
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      Quoting: Caerii
      Minnesota has Gustavsson as their starter and Wallstedt in the AHL so they need to massively overpay for a worse goalie because...? Just another ACGM that pays no attention to the other teams.


      Give Wallstedt time…he’s waivers exempt until 2026-2027. He should be playing every night in the AHL until it’s clear that he’s ready. You gotta be careful with young goalies.
      Fleury probably isn’t back next year. Allen has one more year. If Wallstedt is ready at the start of 2025-2026, then great, you don’t sign Allen again. If Wallstedt is ready at the start of 2024, then that is a REALLY good problem to have.
      Jan. 4 at 1:41 p.m.
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      Quoting: M96N29
      COL has had ample opportunity to bring in Monahan if they wanted. They haven't.


      Monahan was always going to be a trade deadline day move for cap space reasons. So your point is moot.
      Jan. 4 at 1:42 p.m.
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      Quoting: Avs21
      The consensus among the Avalanche fanbase is that Monahan is no fit with the Avs. Value wise your 2026 2nd round pick is better than the 2024 1st round pick that’s going on here tho.


      Quoting: TJTwolf
      Avs decline Monahan. He's simply not a good fit.


      If there is one thing that is abundantly clear on this site, it’s that the consensus is often wrong.
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      Jan. 4 at 1:42 p.m.
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      Quoting: Wreckless
      Give Wallstedt time…he’s waivers exempt until 2026-2027. He should be playing every night in the AHL until it’s clear that he’s ready. You gotta be careful with young goalies.
      Fleury probably isn’t back next year. Allen has one more year. If Wallstedt is ready at the start of 2025-2026, then great, you don’t sign Allen again. If Wallstedt is ready at the start of 2024, then that is a REALLY good problem to have.


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