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2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #3: After Further Review...

Feb. 8 at 2:41 p.m.
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Quoting: HockeyScotty
Does that squeeze out Hayton and make him available?


Practice lines this morning have McBain still on the top line. Hayton is slotted between Cooley and Guenther.
Feb. 8 at 2:44 p.m.
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Quoting: Pompadour_de_Armstrong
Practice lines this morning have McBain still on the top line. Hayton is slotted between Cooley and Guenther.


Oh wow that could be an exciting line.
Cooley is a type that probably needs to establish his game on the wing before taking over at C. No shame in that MacKinnon and Aho did that
Feb. 8 at 2:46 p.m.
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Laughton under no circumstances should be even getting a 2nd


I don't understand why you think there is a "permanent value" assigned to players.

Supply/demand and pressure on a team to succeed dictate value. Many pundits said Monahan wasn't "worth" a 1st rounder either
Feb. 8 at 4:07 p.m.
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Quoting: IconicHawk
Laughton under no circumstances should be even getting a 2nd


I agree, but the market for buyers is bare, low supply + high demand = High prices.
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Feb. 8 at 4:33 p.m.
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Quoting: HockeyScotty
I don't understand why you think there is a "permanent value" assigned to players.

Supply/demand and pressure on a team to succeed dictate value. Many pundits said Monahan wasn't "worth" a 1st rounder either


I don't believe he does think that. The word "should" carries a lot of weight in that sentence.
Feb. 8 at 4:36 p.m.
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I don't believe he does think that. The word "should" carries a lot of weight in that sentence.


prefaced with "under no circumstances " seemed to carry far more weight when I read it. no biggie either way
Feb. 8 at 7:22 p.m.
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Don Wabozo better extend Necas before the end of the season
Feb. 8 at 7:24 p.m.
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If he signs long-term, the over / under on Faber AAV should be _____?

(RFA after 2024-25)
Feb. 8 at 7:29 p.m.
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
If he signs long-term, the over / under on Faber AAV should be _____?

(RFA after 2024-25)


I don't think you extend him instantly because it's clear his value is an all time high and who knows if he regresses or not next year.
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Feb. 8 at 7:43 p.m.
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Lifetime contract for Necas right now, Wafatass
Feb. 8 at 7:54 p.m.
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This team just finds new ways to make should-be blowouts interesting it’s honestly astonishing
Feb. 8 at 9:44 p.m.
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Patrick Roy should win the jack Adam’s
Feb. 8 at 10:03 p.m.
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Quoting: IconicHawk
Laughton under no circumstances should be even getting a 2nd


It's all relative...

I think it all depends how many guys want Cs and how many Cs are available...

That's why I think forward price are going to be high this year and defence prices should be on the lower end just considering who's available
Feb. 9 at 7:57 a.m.
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What a strange game between Carolina and Colorado

Hurricanes score 3 goals on their first 4 shots, all by the same player.

Colorado responds with 2 goals in 7 seconds right at the end of the first, one of which came from the red line.

Kochetkov plays the first, Raanta plays the second, Kochetkov plays the third.

The teams combined for 11 powerplays, THREE of which were for puck over glass.

And in the last minute, there is an awarded goal.
Feb. 9 at 8:56 a.m.
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What a strange game between Carolina and Colorado

Hurricanes score 3 goals on their first 4 shots, all by the same player.

Colorado responds with 2 goals in 7 seconds right at the end of the first, one of which came from the red line.

Kochetkov plays the first, Raanta plays the second, Kochetkov plays the third.

The teams combined for 11 powerplays, THREE of which were for puck over glass.

And in the last minute, there is an awarded goal.


Yeah it was a weird one for sure. Goalies made some highlight reel saves and then two of the biggest "duh" goals that I've seen go in since the Radko Gudas tip/super knuckle last year.
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Feb. 9 at 9:09 a.m.
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Quoting: HockeyScotty
I don't understand why you think there is a "permanent value" assigned to players.

Supply/demand and pressure on a team to succeed dictate value. Many pundits said Monahan wasn't "worth" a 1st rounder either


Everytime I watch Laughton, he just looks like something you could very easily find elsewhere for cheaper
Feb. 9 at 10:12 a.m.
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Quoting: IconicHawk
Everytime I watch Laughton, he just looks like something you could very easily find elsewhere for cheaper


I guess you would have to list who those players are in order for me to contextualize it. I'm not saying he is a top 6 center on a playoff team; but the pickings are pretty slim right now and he is a 3C type of player that can play up on the wing when needed. He's kind of a jack-of-all-trades/master-of-none or a Swiss-army-knife type of guy but he does provide speed/energy and some scoring depth (0.5 PPG).
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Feb. 9 at 10:24 a.m.
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Everytime I watch Laughton, he just looks like something you could very easily find elsewhere for cheaper


And to put it into context; many GMs and head scouts would consider a late first round pick that became a 3C to be a "win" for them and the player development team
Feb. 9 at 11:50 a.m.
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Man the voting results on the Florida Giroux trade aren’t aging well. Florida looks like they got fleeced.
Feb. 9 at 1:05 p.m.
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Edited Feb. 9 at 5:24 p.m.
Quoting: NHLfan10506
If he signs long-term, the over / under on Faber AAV should be _____?

(RFA after 2024-25)


I don’t have the right reference to nail it, but educated guess:

If the term ends at age 26 whereby he would have arb rights + 1 year to ufa I’d guess like 3yr 4.8 mil - 5.2 mil aav. But that’s if the performance continues and the team evaluation has that in the future (which is seems like it does).

If you’d want that aav lower you could skew the pay back, so for example, perhaps he’s earning 7 million in the final year, pushing the qualifier high, then perhaps the aav hit is 4.5-4.8. You could also reduce short term aav with a 2 year term, (3-3.2?), but then you’re paying that piper sooner if performance continue, losing a year in total, plus shifting some leverage to the player in those 2 years prior to ufa.

Perhaps elc to 2 year bridge, to 8 year term is the proper path? As opposed to elc to 3 year term to 8 year term? Idk. You’d really want to see contracts for the entire team on a board then add different permutations of this and see what benefits and challenges are created. Like if 3 big decisions exist in an offseason you may not want to add a 4th if you can.

Werenski had a similar role, exposure at a young age i feel. McAvoy too.

McAvoy is the 2 years then 8 example. See how that third year becomes much bigger if you sit on it, and you have 1 year less control at the end.

This type of skater is extremely easy to value for the teams: these scales get used a lot. My numbers aren’t accurate, theirs will be extremely accurate.
Feb. 9 at 1:20 p.m.
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Oops.
Feb. 9 at 9:45 p.m.
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Celebrini’s season

Month……GP…G….A…Pts (5v5)

Oct………….6…..8…..3…11 (5g, 2a)
Nov/Dec….9…..2…12…13 (0g, 8a)
Jan/Feb….10…12….3…15 (8g, 0a)

(What does it mean? I dunno…but it’s an odd 5v5 split)
Feb. 9 at 9:55 p.m.
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
Celebrini’s season

Month……GP…G….A…Pts (5v5)

Oct………….6…..8…..3…11 (5g, 2a)
Nov/Dec….9…..2…12…13 (0g, 8a)
Jan/Feb….10…12….3…15 (8g, 0a)

(What does it mean? I dunno…but it’s an odd 5v5 split)


Depends if Lane Hutson wants to pass or shoot
Feb. 9 at 10:14 p.m.
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Depends if Lane Hutson wants to pass or shoot


Ha, yeah, I guess…something happened around New Years….

“I got my gold…here’s a cookie”
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Feb. 10 at 12:26 a.m.
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
Celebrini’s season

Month……GP…G….A…Pts (5v5)

Oct………….6…..8…..3…11 (5g, 2a)
Nov/Dec….9…..2…12…13 (0g, 8a)
Jan/Feb….10…12….3…15 (8g, 0a)

(What does it mean? I dunno…but it’s an odd 5v5 split)


I guess he's trying to prove he could do everything?
 
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