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Any wildcard contender interested in trading a 2024 first

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Team: 2023-24 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 3, 2024
Published: Feb. 3, 2024
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Would any of these teams be willing to trade their 1st this year for Matheson? Especially if the pick was top 8 protected (cannot see any of them being in the top 8 anyway and the odds of these teams missing the playoffs and having good enough odds to win the draft lottery is very very low.
My line of thinking is that Montreal could possibly use a mid teens pick from one of these teams and the Winnipeg pick this year to get a 2nd pick in the top 10 of the draft.....maybe.
Are any of these realistic options? Am I crazy?
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MTL
  1. 2024 1st round pick (NYI)
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MTL
  1. 2024 1st round pick (NJD)
NJD
    Michael Matheson
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    MTL
    1. 2024 1st round pick (WSH)
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      Michael Matheson
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      MTL
      1. 2024 1st round pick (STL)
      STL
        Michael Matheson
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        MTL
        1. 2024 1st round pick (SEA)
        SEA
          Michael Matheson
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          MTL
          1. 2024 1st round pick (NSH)
          NSH
            Michael Matheson
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            MTL
            1. 2024 1st round pick (LAK)
            LAK
              Michael Matheson
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              Feb. 3 at 8:57 a.m.
              #1
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              Add NYR to that group too. And the answer for all of those teams is absolutely not. They couldn’t add enough to compete against most of the legit contenders.
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              Feb. 3 at 9:00 a.m.
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              Quoting: NYR1983
              Add NYR to that group too. And the answer for all of those teams is absolutely not. They couldn’t add enough to compete against most of the legit contenders.


              Yeah, from a Montreal fan's perspective I was just hoping that one of those teams were desperate to try to make the playoffs
              Feb. 3 at 9:01 a.m.
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              Mathesson is in top 15 offense D in the ligue (stats) in a mediocre team.
              That gonna cost more than a first

              anaheim fan think zegras gonna cost 2 first rounder
              Never mind mathesson leave for only a first
              Feb. 3 at 9:02 a.m.
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              Quoting: KentMcNally
              Yeah, from a Montreal fan's perspective I was just hoping that one of those teams were desperate to try to make the playoffs


              Well WSH with Ovi might be the only option to burn the future just to taste playoffs for his last few seasons. But I’d hope a responsible GM wouldn’t be so dumb
              Feb. 3 at 9:03 a.m.
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              Quoting: Chuck54
              Mathesson is in top 15 offense D in the ligue (stats) in a mediocre team.
              That gonna cost more than a first

              anaheim fan think zegras gonna cost 2 first rounder
              Never mind mathesson leave for only a first


              A lot of MTL fans also thought they would get 3 1sts for Monahan.
              Feb. 3 at 9:04 a.m.
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              A playoff team would most likely target Savard, not Matheson.

              Savard is textbook what a contending team is looking for at the TDL.

              Remember that Tampa paid 1+3+4 for Savard 75% retained not long ago
              Feb. 3 at 9:04 a.m.
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              Matheson is MTL's top defender.
              He's easily top2 dman on (most) teams.
              Good contract, still young enough.
              The price for him is much more than a 1st rd.
              And I would add it's not in Mtls interest to trade him
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              Feb. 3 at 9:05 a.m.
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              Matheson is good, but Blues not in position to be trading that pick for a 30 year old right now. They would also need to shed Krug or Leddy which is very unlikely.
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              Feb. 3 at 9:06 a.m.
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              Quoting: NYR1983
              A lot of MTL fans also thought they would get 3 1sts for Monahan.


              You're full of nonsense.
              Troll.
              Feb. 3 at 9:07 a.m.
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              Quoting: NYR1983
              A lot of MTL fans also thought they would get 3 1sts for Monahan.


              Ok 😐
              Feb. 3 at 10:13 a.m.
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              Quoting: Ste_Catherine_Street
              You're full of nonsense.
              Troll.


              Nope. I saw a monahan for Perrault, Kakko and 1st. There were many Kakko + 1sts + also. Funny how quickly it’s forgotten by the fan base 😂
              Feb. 3 at 10:16 a.m.
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              Yeah blues aren't moving their first unless it's for a 26 year old top 4 defensemen or younger. Matheson does not fir the age range we would target
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              Feb. 3 at 10:28 a.m.
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              It won’t be the blues
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              Feb. 3 at 10:32 a.m.
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              Quoting: NYR1983
              Nope. I saw a monahan for Perrault, Kakko and 1st. There were many Kakko + 1sts + also. Funny how quickly it’s forgotten by the fan base 😂


              Why waste your time with dumb posts? I dont care abowt stupid posts
              Feb. 3 at 10:43 a.m.
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              I like Matheson a lot and think he's underrated but not sure any team you have here is giving up a first for him. NHL GMs still for the most part value defenseman based off of reputation and Matheson's profile -- offensive defenseman but not elite point producer and power play reliant -- is not one that usually brings back a first. Combine that with the fact that all of the teams you have listed except maybe STL already have a better PP1 QB and I think all but one or two will miss the playoffs and I just don't see it. One again I think he's better than these players but the Gostisbehre/E Gustafsson/Barrie types have generally been devalued around the league while the "big physical defender" types like Savard/Chiarot have been overvalued.
              Feb. 3 at 10:44 a.m.
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              The caps have absolutely no need for Matheson. Like, zero.
              Feb. 3 at 10:51 a.m.
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              For Mike Matheson?!?!

              Maybe a team desperate for offensive dman or PP QB and Habs retain a chunk of salary.

              But he is a very average dman, playing lots of power play because Habs have no one else.
              And his 5v5 play is in the 16th percentile in xGF
              If he goes to a contender, unlikely he plays much on PP.

              So asking a 1st....is asking a lot.
              Feb. 3 at 10:53 a.m.
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              Devils need LD long term but not a player like Matheson too old and already have a ton of OFD on the team and in the system Hughes Hamilton Nemec Casey etc
              Feb. 3 at 11:30 a.m.
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              Quoting: NYR1983
              A lot of MTL fans also thought they would get 3 1sts for Monahan.


              Exactlly zero fans thought that.
              And you know that.
              That's just Hab-hating right there.

              Most people knew Monahan was going to get a 1st back. Some went further, true, some not.
              But NO ONE thought what you said. Please.

              And yes, Matheson is worth a 1st round pick on the market right now: no question.
              If you disagree, that is your opinion.
              But saying that "Matheson would get a 1st round pick" is anything but outlandish.

              Put the Hab-hating emotions away and the 'homerism' and the bias.

              "A lot of MTL fans thought Monahan was going to fetch 3 X 1st??"

              Find "a lot" of threads and you gain some credibility back.
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              Feb. 3 at 11:41 a.m.
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              Quoting: Fran615
              Exactlly zero fans thought that.
              And you know that.
              That's just Hab-hating right there.

              Most people knew Monahan was going to get a 1st back. Some went further, true, some not.
              But NO ONE thought what you said. Please.

              And yes, Matheson is worth a 1st round pick on the market right now: no question.
              If you disagree, that is your opinion.
              But saying that "Matheson would get a 1st round pick" is anything but outlandish.

              Put the Hab-hating emotions away and the 'homerism' and the bias.

              "A lot of MTL fans thought Monahan was going to fetch 3 X 1st??"

              Find "a lot" of threads and you gain some credibility back.


              They literally posted trades on here because they felt he was worth more than Lindholm
              Feb. 3 at 11:42 a.m.
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              Quoting: Fran615
              Exactlly zero fans thought that.
              And you know that.
              That's just Hab-hating right there.

              Most people knew Monahan was going to get a 1st back. Some went further, true, some not.
              But NO ONE thought what you said. Please.

              And yes, Matheson is worth a 1st round pick on the market right now: no question.
              If you disagree, that is your opinion.
              But saying that "Matheson would get a 1st round pick" is anything but outlandish.

              Put the Hab-hating emotions away and the 'homerism' and the bias.

              "A lot of MTL fans thought Monahan was going to fetch 3 X 1st??"

              Find "a lot" of threads and you gain some credibility back.



              Do struggle with reading?? Because you seem to think I said matheson isn’t worth a 1st 😂😂
              Feb. 3 at 11:46 a.m.
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              Quoting: NYR1983
              They literally posted trades on here because they felt he was worth more than Lindholm


              Where is "A LOT" of trade proposals offering 3 x 1st round picks for Monahan?

              where?

              You said "A LOT" of 3x1st round picks.

              Do you know that your previous NYRangers fans also SOMETIMES post ridiculous trade offers? Yes they do.
              Because people are individuals and different.
              Lumping a whole fan base because of ONE wrong post is useful for meat heads, but is a stupid shortcut.

              A LOT of posts saying 3 x 1st round picks. Nope. Wrong.

              I also saw A LOT of NYRangers fan proclaim that Monahan would NEVER get a 1st, and inserting 'lmao'... obviouslly, no moral character to admit they were wrong.
              That's for mature adults.
              Children cower and keep bashing at another target quickly to deflect from their sense of failure.
              Feb. 3 at 11:49 a.m.
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              Quoting: NYR1983
              Add NYR to that group too. And the answer for all of those teams is absolutely not. They couldn’t add enough to compete against most of the legit contenders.


              Quoting: NYR1983
              Do struggle with reading?? Because you seem to think I said matheson isn’t worth a 1st 😂😂


              Maybe I misunderstood. English is my 4th language. I'm sure you understand what it is to talk 4 languages.
              I thought you shut down all Matheson trades for a 1st.
              If that's not the case, then it is my mistake, I own that one, I was wrong.
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              Feb. 3 at 11:52 a.m.
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              No chance the Isles do this.
              Feb. 3 at 12:10 p.m.
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              I wonder if the Kings could make a run after the coaching change. Maybe a new coach bump and the 4th easiest strength of schedule to the end of the season will help. Maybe not.
               
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