Highly unlikely you get positive value for Dvorak, let alone a 2nd + another pick

LA definitely isn’t moving Byfield

This is probably the worst proposal involving Dvorak that I've seen. You are delusional if you think Montreal is getting positive value for him. If you want him off your roster so bad, it costs to dump him. Chicago isn't doing Montreal any favors by buying their trash.

LA isn't moving Byfield. They will extend him at a 2 or 3 year bridge deal or sign him already long term after that season. But you can be sure that the bridge deal isn't going to worth only 925.000 AAV, this is pretty much what he is earning right now with his ELC. Why would he agree to earn that for two more seasons at a team that is arguably not going to clinch a playoff spot in the next few years. He can easily ask for over 3,5 Mil AAV at a bridge deal or over 7 Mil AAV when signing long term with the Kings...
I also don't see Toffoli going back to the Habs, he is in his best years and can go to any contending team, maybe even back to the Kings, if the Kings don't sign Arvidsson after the season

Toffoli was traded from both Calgary and New Jersey because he wants a long term deal. Calgary wasn't willing to commit to any more long term deals on 30+ players due to the teams uncertainty, and New Jersey will be short on cap space in the coming years. You aren't getting him to sign for 2 years only and with some of Montreal's other contract commitments I don't suggest they offer him the term he wants.

If he doesn't stay in Winnipeg I think he will end up in Chicago

Also that's not remotely close to getting you Byfield

This is the same narrow minded thinking I heard with Joel Armia, over last Summer, who now has a better goals per game pace on everyone with the Hawks, not named Bedard (16 goals in 59 games) Armia buyout was under 1m even IF he didnt have this bounce back season. The Habs dumped Petry, Hoffman, Pitlick and Edmundson for positive value last Summer. Hughes is very good at this thing called GM'ing. He can definitely get value for a faceoff center with penlaty killing prowess. The only one dreaming is YOU, thinking he cant do it with Dvorak on a site that is hypothetical, no less.
Now the Habs can sell him at the 2025 TDL for positive value as he has intangibles teams covet..penalty killing, size, playoff pedigree.

All this could be true of Dvorak at little risk with a year term but I realize 95% of players not on the Hawks are cap dumps yet Dickinson, Tyler Johnson and Beauvilier, somehow, were picked up with the same thinking. You arent on the Hawks management team and they have a history and need for salary. Stay mad.

Where do I start with this nonsense? How about finding a different team then? Montreal fans are delusional when it comes to finding trade partners. Chicago fans have said TIME AND TIME AGAIN Chicago isn't interested in him and if they were, they could find someone via free agency. That's not just me who thinks this but other fans who closely follow this team and can make educated assessments regarding moves this front office may or may not make. Wasting draft picks on Christian freaking Dvorak isn't a move Kyle Davidson makes. You can act as salty as you want for someone pointing out the obvious to you or you can accept that you're wrong and move along. Your choice.

Got those picks going the wrong way in the Dvorak trade. And FWIW armia is still a cap dump. A decent 50 games doesn't negate the 150 games of terrible play.

Dude... This narrative you are trying to push is nonsense. Acquiring Beauvillier was because they had a mountain of injuries and desperately needed an NHL body, otherwise they wouldn't have even considered him. They were paid to take both Johnson and Dickinson. Dickinson has turned out to be an absolute 2-way gem, that Armia and Dvorak ain't got $hit on. The Hawks are bad by design. They want growth to come from within. Stop trying to pawn off your cap dumps as valuable. No one is paying a 2nd for Dvorak. Much like Monahan was with Calgary, they are cap dumps, whatever happens after that is just a bonus for the receiving team, again, like MTL did with Monahan.

#1 Byfield isn’t going anywhere

#2 that’s a garbage offer. Absolutely horrible

Here is the thing, Dvorak MAY have positive value, but it is not to the Hawks. They aren't spending assets on a player like him. Look at playoff competing teams and retain 50% and you can get that positive value you are seeking. But to a rebuilding team like the Hawks, Dvorak does not have positive value.

You could replace the Winnipeg first with your own and Los Angeles would still say Go Away.

You Hawks fans think everyone is a cap dump yet management clearly disagrees by trading for actual NHL’rs.. yes… NHL’rs… actually have value when they are proven. I know it’s crazy to think everyone is NOT a cap dump.

I’ll give you an example when comparing to Dvorak. Logan Couture is 8 years older than Dvorak and makes twice the money while is signed 2 more years yet I’d never call him a cap dump like you Hawks fans because you have to meet the floor anyways and why I know the Sharks would never let Couture go for nothing. Think of the other side when accessing a deal not just Chicago.
Chicago doesn’t have this endless leverage over every team. They are 30 other teams. The Habs have over 20 million in cap space with everyone signed next season, they have no reason to dump Dvorak much like the Sharks with Couture.

Logan Couture… I’ve stated over and over… that I’d pay multiple picks despite the risks with his contract and age. Thats the game. You Hawks fans think you will only pay for any player without any risk. That isn’t how sports works or life in general. Take off the baby padding and get offline. Start thinking about not why the Hawks would take the player but why would the Habs even give away Dvorak much less pay to dump him?!

Had you traded for Armia and NOT yelled all Summer like children…oNlY iF yOu aTtAcH mUlTiPlE 1sTs.. You’d have an asset that teams will pay for at the 2025 TDL or at the very least a competent penalty killer and a mentor for your young players.

But I digress. Continue on with the mad statements and homer nonsense with laughing emojis about how everyone is a cap dump, definitely seems level headed compared to thinking about both sides.



Again. Think of the other team. So what that the Hawks dont want him, there are 30 other teams. This site is supposed to promote the simulation of a trade it never has to be with ONLY the Hawks. Screaming Dvorak has negative value then turning around and saying but the Hawks reject and you'd have to pay them to take Dvorak, is narrow minded and simply wrong. This is just tribalism nonsense.