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Created by: mv21227

Team: 2023-24 Vancouver Canucks

Initial Creation Date: May 13, 2024

Published: May 13, 2024

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

Was told by a Canes fan that Aho is a top 5C and clearly better than Pettersson who is a fringe top 10C. Wanted to see what other people think

Trades

VAN

Aho, Sebastian

CAR

Pettersson, Elias

VAN

Notable stats this season:
•89 points in 78 games
•Most common 5v5 linemates: Teravainen, Svechnikov, Guentzel, Jarvis
•3.01 xGF/60, 2.46 xGA/60, 55.03 xGF% at 5v5
•15 goals, 33 primary points, 39 points at 5v5
•1.84 primary P/60, 2.17 P/60 at 5v5

CAR

Notable stats this season:
•89 points in 82 games
•Most common 5v5 linemates: Mikheyev, Hoglander, Kuzmenko, Lafferty, Boeser
•2.72 xGF/60, 2.47 xGA/60, 52.44 xGF% at 5v5
•Struggled while playing through an injury the last 1-2 months of the season
•14 goals, 37 primary points, 46 points at 5v5
•2.04 primary P/60, 2.53 P/60 at 5v5

VAN

Notable career stats:
•557 points in 598 games (0.93 PPG)
•Solid defensive analytics (hasn’t had much Selke love though, zero top 10 finishes)
•Career highs are 38 goals, 89 points
•15.2 career SH%
•Finished 10th in Hart voting in 2018/19
•Carolina has been a playoff team 6 of Aho’s 8 seasons
•26 goals, 68 points in 72 playoff games

CAR

Notable career stats:
•412 points in 407 games (1.01 PPG)
•Very good defensively (finished 7th in Selke voting last season)
•Won the Calder trophy as a rookie
•Career highs 39 goals, 102 points
•16.6 career SH%
•No top 10 Hart trophy finishes
•Vancouver has been a playoff team in 2 of Pettersson’s 6 seasons
• 8 goals, 22 points in 26 playoff games

Buyouts

Oliver Ekman-Larsson: $146,667

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2024
2025
2026

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
25	$83,500,000	$85,226,778	$850,000	$30,000	-$1,726,778

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Mikheyev, Ilya $4,750,000$4,750,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 3	Miller, J.T. $8,000,000$8,000,000 C, LW, RW NMC UFA - 7	Boeser, Brock $6,650,000$6,650,000 RW UFA - 2
Höglander, Nils $1,100,000$1,100,000 LW, RW RFA - 2		Garland, Conor $4,950,000$4,950,000 RW, LW UFA - 3
Joshua, Dakota $825,000$825,000 LW UFA - 1	Lindholm, Elias $4,850,000$4,850,000 C, RW UFA - 1	Lafferty, Sam $1,150,000$1,150,000 RW, C, LW UFA - 1
Di Giuseppe, Phillip $775,000$775,000 LW UFA - 2	Blueger, Teddy $1,900,000$1,900,000 C, LW UFA - 1
	Suter, Pius $1,600,000$1,600,000 C, LW UFA - 2
	Åman, Nils $883,750$883,750 C RFA - 1
	Aho, Sebastian $8,460,250$8,460,250 C UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Hughes, Quinn $7,850,000$7,850,000 LD UFA - 4	Myers, Tyler $6,000,000$6,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 1	Demko, Thatcher $5,000,000$5,000,000 G UFA - 3
Zadorov, Nikita $3,750,000$3,750,000 LD/RD UFA - 1	Hronek, Filip $4,400,000$4,400,000 RD RFA - 1	DeSmith, Casey $1,800,000$1,800,000 G UFA - 1
Soucy, Carson $3,250,000$3,250,000 LD/RD NTC UFA - 3	Juulsen, Noah $775,000$775,000 RD UFA - 2	Tolopilo, Nikita $950,000$950,000 G RFA - 2
Cole, Ian $3,000,000$3,000,000 LD/RD UFA - 1		Silovs, Arturs $786,111$786,111 ($30,000$30K) G RFA - 1
Friedman, Mark $775,000$775,000 LD/RD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
		Poolman, Tucker $2,500,000$2,500,000 RD UFA - 2

May 13 at 8:59 p.m.

Kyle_Davidson

Kyle from Chicago

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The league isn’t ready for Frank Nazar, who leaves both in the dust!

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May 13 at 8:59 p.m.

cooliny

BRUCE THERE IT IS

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Pettersson’s playoffs have blown these debates out of proportion. Aho has been playing with Guentzel and Jarvis. EP plays with Hoglander Mikheyev and Karlsson

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May 13 at 9:00 p.m.

Caniac2000

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Quoting: cooliny

Pettersson’s playoffs have blown these debates out of proportion. Aho has been playing with Guentzel and Jarvis. EP plays with Hoglander Mikheyev and Karlsson

Aho's been playing with Svechnikov and Guentzel

May 13 at 9:01 p.m.

Caniac2000

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It's Aho, and the playoff resumes of both just further cements that

May 13 at 9:01 p.m.

cooliny

BRUCE THERE IT IS

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Quoting: Caniac2000

Aho's been playing with Svechnikov and Guentzel

Moot point…

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May 13 at 9:02 p.m.

mv21227

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Quoting: Kyle_Davidson

The league isn’t ready for Frank Nazar, who leaves both in the dust!

You mean Frank Nazar, 2025 Calder, Hart, Art Ross, and Richard Trophy Winner

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May 13 at 9:03 p.m.

Caniac2000

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Quoting: Kyle_Davidson

The league isn’t ready for Frank Nazar, who leaves both in the dust!

He's just a Dickinson wannabe tbf

May 13 at 9:04 p.m.

Kyle_Davidson

Kyle from Chicago

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Quoting: mv21227

You mean Frank Nazar, 2025 Calder, Hart, Art Ross, and Richard Trophy Winner

Don’t forget Conn Smyth and Stanley cup champion (soon).

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May 13 at 9:06 p.m.

noted

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Outsider opinion - I’d rather have Pettersson

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May 13 at 9:07 p.m.

#10

TheAlien

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Quoting: Caniac2000

Aho's been playing with Svechnikov and Guentzel

That's not the point Chief

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May 13 at 9:09 p.m.

#11

dgibb10

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Pettersson. But neither are top 5 Cs.

I'd have pettersson 9th or 10th, aho 12th or 13th

McD, Mack, Matthews, Healthy Jack Hughes, Draisaitl, Barkov, Crosby, Point, Pettersson, Eichel, Aho, Hischier, Thomas, Larkin, Miller, Stutzle, Suzuki, Kopitar, Hintz, Tage, Mika, Schiefele, Horvat, Trochek, Ror, Karlsson, Mika, JEEK, Kadri, Malkin as my top 30 off the top of my head

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May 13 at 9:12 p.m.

#12

NucksnOilers

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If we are going off like right this second I think Aho has clearly been better just due to Petey's struggles. But at the same time Dakota Joshua has had a better playoffs than Petey so that doesn't say much lmao, Petey will be much much better when all is said and done though so it's pretty clearly Petey

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May 13 at 9:13 p.m.

#13

mv21227

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Quoting: dgibb10

I’d have Pettersson over Point. Arguably over Crosby, Barkov, and Hughes but in that same tier imo

Also for your top 30 I’d include Wyatt Johnston

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May 13 at 9:18 p.m.

#14

StutzlesNumber1Fan

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Quoting: mv21227

I’d have Pettersson over Point. Arguably over Crosby, Barkov, and Hughes but in that same tier imo

Also for your top 30 I’d include Wyatt Johnston

Wyatt is a freak

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May 13 at 9:20 p.m.

#15

evelutions2

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For the regular season, Pettersson. Playoffs, Aho.

May 13 at 9:24 p.m.

#16

dgibb10

I Love J Boqvist

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Quoting: mv21227

I’d have Pettersson over Point. Arguably over Crosby, Barkov, and Hughes but in that same tier imo

Also for your top 30 I’d include Wyatt Johnston

For some reason I had Wyatt as a winger in my mind. Brain fart. He'd be in for sure.

Pettersson is the last guy I have in that 3rd tier.

I have Jack Hughes (when healthy) a level above. If you look at his production when he's been healthy (I know the bias is here), he was dominant after getting healthy in 21-22 (21 goals and 48 points in 36 games after the christmas break), in 22-23, and to start 23-24.

If you consider all his injuries however, he falls into that lower tier as well with Barkov, Crosby, Point, Pettersson

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May 13 at 9:33 p.m.

#17

mv21227

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Quoting: StutzlesNumber1Fan

Wyatt is a freak

Dallas has done such an insane job of scouting/drafting

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May 13 at 10:32 p.m.

#18

NHLfan10506

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EP40 for me

May 13 at 10:33 p.m.

#19

NHLfan10506

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Quoting: dgibb10

Not too soon to add Wyatt Johnston to this list

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May 13 at 10:39 p.m.

#20

dgibb10

I Love J Boqvist

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

Not too soon to add Wyatt Johnston to this list

Some reason in my head he was a winger. **** it Mika zibanejad is in there twice let’s stick him there

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May 13 at 11:16 p.m.

#21

noted

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Quoting: dgibb10

Even a healthy Jack Hughes is not currently better than Draisatl, Barkov, and Crosby

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May 14 at 3:25 a.m.

#22

Carleton

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Quoting: Caniac2000

It's Aho, and the playoff resumes of both just further cements that

Each passing day on this site and i’m even more convinced you’re a social experiment made by the mods just to troll people. Cause no living being that watches hockey could have this many horrendous takes.

Sleep with that one tonight.

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May 14 at 6:35 a.m.

#23

dgibb10

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Quoting: noted

Even a healthy Jack Hughes is not currently better than Draisatl, Barkov, and Crosby

Healthy Jack Hughes had 20 points in 9 games.

May 14 at 6:51 a.m.

#24

noted

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Quoting: dgibb10

Healthy Jack Hughes had 20 points in 9 games.

1. Staying healthy is a skill
2. Draisatl, Barkov, and Crosby all had great reg seasons
3. Draisatl and Barkov each currently lead their conferences in playoff points.
4. Crosby is one of the 5 best players of all time.

May 14 at 6:55 a.m.

#25

dgibb10

I Love J Boqvist

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Quoting: noted

1) I am aware as mentioned in a previous post
2) yes they did
3) good for them
4) not relevant to today

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