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Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 30, 2021 at 6:51 p.m.
Thread: Debrusk finally coming home
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>He's been called out this season for lack of effort. That's not my "take", that's Boston's own coaches making that call.</div></div>

Fair points I guess but I think there were other factors. The couple games before him being scratched the whole team didn’t look great. The team definitely wants more out of him (probably name a few players that haven’t been up to par) and wanted to shake things up a bit.

They weren’t going to scratch Marchand, probably could have scratched Hall but I think they want him to work with Coyle and discover some chemistry between them. Folingo is just coming back. So the only message that could have been sent was with DeBrusk and Haula.

DeBrusk stock is low, no doubt but I’m not that down on him. I know there doesn’t seem to be all of middle ground on here but I think it’s easy to forget the good things about Jake.
Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 30, 2021 at 5:11 p.m.
Thread: Debrusk finally coming home
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>Why? The guy sucks, he's AA all over again. Had a good year when he scored a bunch, now his production is terrible. And when he's not producing, he's not doing anything good. Can't/won't backcheck, won't put effort in, can't win board battles, etc. Were you impressed with him when he got walked by Cody Ceci?</div></div>

I don’t think you’ve watched him too much. Yes DeBrusk isn’t a defensive mind forward or the strongest/ biggest but he has energy. His finish just hasn’t been there lately. The Covid year got to him and then he was forced down the line up when Boston got Hall.

Try watch his playoff highlights and then tell me he won’t put the effort in. Jake Gardiner still probably has nightmares from going against DeBrusk.

Sorry it’s fair to be down on him but I’m my opinion that’s a bad take.
Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 29, 2021 at 10:44 p.m.
Thread: DeBrusk trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>villenash</b></div><div>I agree that it's an interesting idea -- I just think NSH will hold on to Glass a little longer; pretty much gave up Ellis for him. I'm hoping Johansen can show him the ropes a bit, but we'll see if he gets another chance this season.

I'm not opposed to DeBrusk in NSH, but at this point in his career I'm not sure I would offer up much more than a 3rd rounder with a C prospect

As far as NSH being buyers, I'd rather they go after someone like Smith who could be a cap casualty with VGK which could lower his cost -- or someone like Tierney.

For the long-term, NSH has Tolvanen, Tomasino, Duchene, Trenin, Jeannot, and Kunin as pretty much locks on the wings next season. If they sign Forsberg and/or then bring up some guys like Afanasyev, L'Heureux, Olivier, Glass, etc to battle for spots, it gets harder to see where DeBrusk would fit on this team.</div></div>

All good points. I really like Nashville pool of prospect and that was why I think Nashville/ Boston could be good trade partners. I guess it just depends on how Nashville views this season. Prospect are great but they can be years away. Nashville has drafted really well as of late and maybe they want a slower build but I think Nashville might want to build off their strong.

Smith a good player and probably would be more expensive to trade for. I think trade within in the conference are hard to pull. Vegas and Nashville might end up battling it out for the last playoff spot. East to west trades seem to be easier/ more comfortable for GMs.

Sorry but I think your under valuing Debrusk if you think a 3rd plus a C prospect is fair. That’s not enough upside for a player that has/ can 20 goals. Guess it depends on the prospect.

A similar trade I think could be used for reference was a couple years back when the Bruins acquired forward Brett Connolly from the Tampa Bay Lightning for Boston's second-round picks in the 2015 and 2016 NHL Drafts. To me that would be the least I would accept for DeBrusk. I see similarities between what happened back then.
Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 29, 2021 at 10:01 p.m.
Thread: DeBrusk trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>villenash</b></div><div>I'd rather stick with Glass a bit longer honestly -- and that QO for DeBrusk isn't pretty... but not a bad idea.</div></div>

I can see that for sure. I was wondering this summer when they made the phi trade and got him, if phi got him from Vegas because he was someone Nashville wanted.

I was looking at it from Nashville viewpoint as well, it’s weird not seeing Nashville competing for the cup. After all those years and I could see them being a bit more aggressive this season. Nashville has gotten off to a strong start and things are rolling.

DeBrusk would fit in well with either Duchene or Johansen and create a nice top six for them. When Jake plays his style well, I’m sure Nashville fans will love him. He style would fit with smashville style haha

Not sure what’s going to happen with Forsberg but if they believe they might lose him this summer, I could see them “going in” this year if they don’t give up anything huge. DeBrusk might also help ease the potential pain of losing Forsberg.

Glass is still unknown so I think Nashville might explore the possibility of moving him for a player that’s more known at this point.

Overall I thought it was interesting and had pros/ cons for each.
Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 29, 2021 at 9:14 p.m.
Thread: BruinsSan Jose
I think the trade value is fine but I can see a few problems for Boston going far. Without getting into potential issues with Kane.

- I’m not as high on Hertl as some. I think it remains to be seen if he’s a number one centre on his own. Maybe a 1b that with a strong top six would be fine.
- Hertl is going to be looking for a raise this summer. Probably 7+ million.
- in this trade scenario, Boston would have 13.5 million in cap space with only 16 players under contact. Hertl would probably take over half the cap room. So it would be quite hard to fill other holes. Like another LD
- then Boston wouldn’t have much room for Bergeron’s new contract (if he returns). I rather keep Bergeron personally and look alternative players
- Boston could target Hertl in the summer
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 13, 2021 at 10:08 p.m.
Thread: Off-season
Can you explain your reasoning behind the Det trade? I know Bertuzzi is an interesting player but to given up Debrusk/ Lauzon/ 1st rounder is a slight overpayment in my opinion. Bertuzzi numbers are somewhat comparable to Debrusk. Bertuzzi does have a physical side to his game that probably would fit the role better on the team. But I think Bertuzzi point production would probably be lower or around the 40pts range at the highest since he would be on the third line. Maybe you can get him on a good contract like you have him but I think there needs to be more for Boston to take that risk. Debrusk could also be a great fit in Detroit and if he preforms at high level then the trade could become a bit of a wash. Then you also include Lauzon and a first. Maybe I’m over thinking it but the trade doesn’t make a ton of sense for me. Maybe if Moore was included then I would do it because Boston as gets a bit of cap relief as well.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 24, 2021 at 12:28 p.m.
Thread: Run it back
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CMcAvoy73</b></div><div>Only issue i see is the term for carlo. 2 years takes him to UFA without buying out any UFA years. Bruins aren’t doing that.</div></div>

Yeah I can see them prefer that and it’s probably better assets management but I would be cautious with not giving Carlo too much term because of his injury history. If you go long term there a chance they’ll regret it. Two year would walk him to UFA but there’s a lot that could happen. Injuries keep preventing him from playing, he plays poorly, Boston wants to upgrade, etc. But if Carlo plays well and stays healthy and likes the organization it shouldn’t be to hard to sign him again. But it’s a risk.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bruins1054_gmb</b></div><div>Agreed. I think they look for a similar deal that Grzelcyk received. 4 years and around $4M, give or take $500K.</div></div>

Carlo when healthy probably deserves that contract but I’m not sure you can give it to him after this season. The injuries aren’t his fault but are a factor that need to be considered. Just depends if they want to bet on him or not.

The $10 M in cap space is with Rask on LTIR and knowing some of the contracts need to be adjusted. I think it’s more likely closer to $6 M when Rask is back in the lineup. Again I’m not say Boston shouldn’t look to upgrade and make trades if the right opportunity presents itself. But going into the season with cap space is typically a good thing and Boston could really use it during the trade deadline if they have needs to address. Look at the Hall trade, Boston was able to make that trade happen in part because of their space and didn’t require a third team like a lot of other trades.

Boston could decide to go all in and trade picks/ younger player. But it’s a huge gamble that may not work. Every season there’s only one team that’s made all the right moves and it the cup winner. I like splash move but Boston has been burnt a few time and needs to manage assets better. And we have seen how injuries can derail any team.

Look at Toronto, they have four players taking up most of their cap space. One year they trade their first rounder to get rid of Marleau contract. This season they traded their first for Foligno and he got hurt as well. Going in every year and moving picks will caught up. And just because on paper it’s an upgrade doesn’t mean success will follow.

Right now Boston at a crossroad as an organization. I actually like their position as I think the window is open a bit longer then others may believe. Beside Coyle they don’t have a ton of bad contracts and I hope he can play like he did when he first got here. McAvoy and Pastnrak future contracts worry me as I hope they stick with the team approach rather than go after a large payday. But I understand if they want their full value. If they can stay healthy and everyone plays to their standard I think they are still a top 5 team in the league.

Either way hopefully Sweeney can work his magic and have strong off season. But I like the roster I have outlined and would like to see how it preformed. But hey if they can add McDavid (or another top player) then go for it 😂
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 17, 2021 at 12:19 a.m.
Thread: Block-Buster trades and signings
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bobcaygeon97</b></div><div>That's not an endorsement of the player but an indictment of the Edmonton Oilers LW issues. On good teams versatility is a key to success, guys that can play up &amp; down your line up.

DeBrusk is not a top 6 player, you can go down swinging he is, it wont make him one. His average is 33.5 points per year. 33 points....That's a 3rd liner.

It's all academic anyways, DeBrusk has a debilitating contract the will make moving him difficult for Boston and makes teams extremely wary of trading assets to a player who's qualifying offer will be 4.9 Million dollars......

DeBrusk is NOT a 5 million dollar player. Full Stop, trading any asset at this time if your any other team then Boston is lunacy! Unless it's a trade and signing of an extension that will lower DeBrusks AVV is stupid.</div></div>

I don’t think we are going to agree and there are a ton of posts/ discussions on DeBrusk’s value.

The point I’m arguing on his value is that it’s more likely to improve then get worse. DeBrusk may not be a 5 million dollar player currently but any team trading for him has to be thinking he’ll bounce back and produce higher numbers. Like a lot trades in the league it’s not all about what that player has done but will do for their roster.

The argument that Debrusk will never produce more than 30 points or so is crazy to me. Using Edmonton as the example of a team trading for him, I find it very unlikely he would only put up 30 points there. For fun let’s say playing with Connor and/ Leon is it likely he’ll produce 50+ points? And maybe he has good chemistry, plays in multiple roles and a bit of success in the playoffs. So if that happened would he not be worth 5 million?

That’s my issue with just using DeBrusk current production to determine his value on the market. So many trades being discussed have next to no value for Boston and just the potential to make them look terrible. Like the original idea (Debrusk+3rd for Bear) and I have seen worst offers. A good trade needs to have a bit more balance in value.

I hope Boston doesn’t trade him actually but if they do it’s got to be for something of value that offers them a chance to “win” the trade as well. I still view him as having potential and room to grow.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 16, 2021 at 3:34 p.m.
Thread: Block-Buster trades and signings
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bobcaygeon97</b></div><div>You just made my point.

A) On any championship team or a team pushing for a Stanley Cup DeBrusk is a 3rd line LW.
B) it's nice you can move him up and down the line up ( positive) but it doesn't mean he's a true top 6 player and that's ok, I think Boston truly knows this, his numbers tell and his analytics tell us this much.

I'm not crapping on DeBrusk, he's good player but his value is extremely limited given his current contract and his future qualifying offer is going to kick the Bruins in the bean bag.
In a normal CAP world this might not be a problem but it's a massive problem in a closed CAP world. a Huge problem.</div></div>

I think you missed the point it’s not always about their play but the depth of a roster. This season Debrusk was a third liner and previous year he was a second liner. Again you can’t tell me that on Edmonton he won’t be their top left winger.

You can look at a bunch of playoff teams with player in higher or lower roles. By your logic a player like Leo Komarov is a better player because he is higher in the lineup lol.

Look at Vegas, is Alex Tuch a top six player or bottom six? We know he typically plays on the third line but I think most people will agree he could play higher in the lineup but doesn’t because of roster depth.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 15, 2021 at 12:18 a.m.
Thread: Angry lipstick
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Viqsi</b></div><div>Think of it this way.

We need quality futures for Jones. Future<strong>s</strong>, plural. Therefore it'd be the 9th and some other quality prospect - and it'd have to be pretty damn good quality, because the 9th pick in this Random Grab Bag of a draft doesn't have the kind of value it might have had in another, and so far as I can tell the Canucks don't have anybody at that quality level (they've got better than that in Podkolzin, but that just complicates things even more). A 2023 pick is a little too far off in the future to be helpful there. THEN one has to consider compensation for taking on those cap dumps.</div></div>

That’s fair and understandable. I was just saying that the framework of Jones for the 9th overall pick is interesting for both sides. And both side have their own pros/ cons for this deal. I have seen a few trade on here for Jones that were a lot worst. The 2023 pick probably should be changed and I agree there’s no real interesting prospects realistically available on Vancouver right now.

But I think CBJ would be lucky to get the 9th overall and there quite a few players that would be available at that spot that could help ease the pain of losing Jones.

Another team could offer more in the way of a decent prospect plus picks and they might make more sense using your viewpoint. It just depends on how you value different assets. You don’t usually see a top ten draft pick moving.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 14, 2021 at 11:36 p.m.
Thread: Block-Buster trades and signings
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bobcaygeon97</b></div><div>Facts....
Kassian is 3rd fastest on the Oilers a team that includes McDavid.

Facts....
DeBrusk qualifying offer is going to be around 4.8 million.....For a player who is a 33.5 point per year player!

Facts - DeBrusk is a 3rd line player.

Facts

There is a solid chance that Bos ether walks away from DeBrusk or literally gets whatever they can from him.

Fact

The coach seen so little in DeBrusk defensive game he benched him......weird that a coach benches this PKer.

Fact

Boston devalued anything left in this tank.</div></div>

You maybe right but I disagree completely. DeBrusk has been in the league for four years. I would say he’s had three good years and one down year that was during a pandemic. You can judge this season as a step back but I don’t think you can write him off.

DeBrusk is a third liner because Marchand and Hall are on the roster. Not sure how many left wingers on other teams in the league could jump over them in the lineup. On Edmonton for example he would probably be their best left wing (with Ryan and Leon being considered centres). So I don’t think calling him a third liner is correct.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsJun. 14, 2021 at 11:06 p.m.
Thread: An idea
Rask heathy is a top ten goalie in the league but if he wants to win in Boston then I hope he take a team friendly deal. I think under 4 million would be what I hope for in a new deal.

I like Vlader size and he has a bit more experience at the pro level. He was called up first this season and played well early on then Swayman came up. Swayman stole the headlines but Vlader has a good chance of being an nhl level goalie. Swayman played well in most games but you could see he was still pretty green. I think Boston would be better to take a bit longer approach with him like they did with Rask years ago.

I would only consider take on Mikko to get more value out of a deal for Debrusk. There are some good options just depends on Boston’s plan.

Smith&gt; great goalie but pass his time/ not likely to leave Edmonton
Rinne &gt; a good veteran that may have one more run in him
Raanta &gt; not the most consistent goalie
Dubnyk &gt; very hot and cold. Not high on my list
Halak &gt; I think he’ll explore other options where he’ll be the backup at least with no questions marks. But maybe he and his family love the city so they stay
Rittich &gt; probably wouldn’t be the best mentor for Swayman/ Vlader.
Mrazek &gt; will have multiple options and will probably want term. One of the more proven goalie on the market
Ullmark &gt; probably wouldn’t be able to handle a large workload so Swayman/ Vlader would definitely get their time in the crease. I know Boston added Hall and it worked out fine but I think adding Sabres in general is not a recipe for success lol
Andersen &gt; is the top ufa goalie available. I would like him on a prove it deal and him in the starting role if Rask doesn’t return. It would be hilarious if Boston met Toronto in the playoff next year and he steals the series haha

I don’t think Boston needs to go crazy this off season and should be smart about potential moves. I hope Krecji returns and value wise around 4 million. But there will be a demand for him on the open market. Hall as well but I would not give him more than Marchand. I agree about Kase. I feel for him and hope he can get his career back. Such bad luck

The backend is a big question mark still. I didn’t love Reilly as much, I was hoping for more of an impact. He skates and passes well but he never really looked overly dangerous. I would prefer Boston looks for an upgrade or taking a chance on another player.

I’m a bit concerned about Carlo and his injury history. As long as his contract not crazy I’ll take him any day but if he’s asking for too much Boston maybe better suited trading him.

Ahcan is a bit undersized. But if he can chip in a few goals at the nhl level I would give him a shot. The minor league dmen I’m most interested in is Lyle. But it would be nice if they’re both pushing for spots in the lineup. I think both start in the ahl next year and get a chance mostly due to injury.

I hope Seattle doesn’t pick Lauzon. Personally I see him as a good fit in Cassidy’s system and he has potential to really develop. Same with Clifton.

Overall I think there likely only one roster spot on the backend (if Boston doesn’t do a major shake up) and I think Boston should be looking at adding a power play quarterback.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 14, 2021 at 7:37 p.m.
Thread: Angry lipstick
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Viqsi</b></div><div>There's absolutely none worth speaking of. With a Jones trade, we either need to boost the roster back up, or go for futures. This handicaps the roster futher and cheaps out on futures.</div></div>

You took one part of my response. It’s NOT a prefect trade for CBJ but how is the 9th overall in this year draft not valuable? The pick would definitely help setup their future.

Again Vancouver would need to add more but not anything too crazy. I can see reasons for and against it. If you expect to trade Jones and have a major win it’s probably unlikely to happen.

Maybe you have a better trade in mind but I think you get more quality over quantity in this proposal. Would a deal that gives them later first rounder, maybe another draft pick and a prospect be better? Just because of the bad contracts included that are only one year?