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Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 4, 2022 at 1:29 a.m.
Thread:
Trading the pick that I dont want to trade
Demko is on his way to being one of the best goalies in the league no way Van goes for this.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 1, 2022 at 4:08 p.m.
Thread:
Jets Trade
I would do it, I really like Heinola but I’m not sure when the jets will get him in the lineup. I doubt Seattle does this though.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 31, 2022 at 12:40 a.m.
Thread:
This would be fun
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div>I don't agree. I don't see a elite level prospect in that offer you proposed and that's the biggest rub of this being off.</div></div>
That’s fine man you don’t have to agree with me.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 31, 2022 at 12:19 a.m.
Thread:
This would be fun
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div>Medically, objectively, there is no telling how he will do. I know, because I had the surgery years ago and know many people who have....outcomes are all over the map. Everyone does well the first year mostly; the success rates diminish over time. Vegas was taking it's chances just as any team would that would have acquired him, but the price for Eichel was low as such. Nobody wants to take on $10M per year for 4 years, then a UFA, and not know if he's going to play all 4 years thus his price was low as such.
Cat has at least the value Eichel got and probably slightly more. If both players are healthy, Eichel would be worth more of course, but the point is, he didn't get top 5 player value because of his unknown prognosis...which will be a risk for every year of his contract.
You are WAY undervaluing the impact his surgery, request for a trade mid season, the fact that mid season very few teams can squeeze in $10M, and his UFA status had on his value. You simply aren't understanding that if he was like Cat...meaning....24 years old, a $6M cap hit for another year, a RFA after that, no injury history, and no dispute with his team, Eichel would have got at least another top prospect if not more.</div></div>
I’m not doubting that at all. Another top prospect is not “at least double if not more” of what they got for him. either way like I’ve said 10 times now the trade value for debrincat is very close if its off its by a very small margin anyways. But not nearly enough to argue about at this point but the pieces might not be exactly right for Chicago but the value is close.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 30, 2022 at 11:46 p.m.
Thread:
This would be fun
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div>Problem was and still is, nobody knows the long term outlook for Eichel. I've had the same surgery as he has, so has a few NFL players and it's ended up forcing them into retirement. There is no telling if Eichel will be able to finish out his contract. I had no doubt he would play again, but the prognosis for that surgery long term in impact sports is not good. There is zero question whether that effected his trade value and the few teams that could afford his cap hit mid season did their dudilligence I'm sure knowing the risks. Now add to it he was in a dispute with his current team demanding a trade mid season and you can understand why this had a heavy impact on his value. If Eichel was healthy and traded in the offseason with no disputes (add in on a RFA contract) and his value would have been double if not more.</div></div>
Like I said Vegas would not have pulled the trigger unless they were very confident the surgery would be successful, His value on the trade market before his injury and trade request is absolutely not worth double what they got they wouldn’t give up 2-1st round draft picks, 2 roster players and 2- top prospects that’s ridiculous.
High profile trades where one guy goes the other way doesn’t happen very often but that was never his value.
even if it was debrincat being a winger would have significantly lower value than him so I don’t get your point.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 30, 2022 at 12:34 p.m.
Thread:
This would be fun
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Garak</b></div><div>No dude. Eichel out right asked for a trade they were not on good terms and were forced to trade him, significantly reducing their trade leverage. Also, he has a $10mil contract that he was not really playing up to. Eichel, in my opinion, is probably the most overrated player in the NHL. Cat is easily worth more than him. Also, WPG has publicly stated that they are not rebuilding and they are going to retool over the summer and try to be the contender that everyone thought they would be this year. If they are planning on being better next year, then they aren't planning on being in the lottery. They can put top 10 protection on the pick if it makes them feel better, but in that scenario they are trading a pick that they are banking on being a mid to late round 1st, which is worth significantly less than a lottery pick. Rashevsky is playing fine hockey in the KHL but he is a Russian, which significantly reduces his value due to Russia committing genocide in Ukraine right now. To top that off you want Muprhy too?
CHI is rebuilding and has no interest in players like Pionk who is expensive and is going to be even more expensive in 2 years, when we already have Jones on the right side. And as far as Heinola goes, he is a fine LHD prospect, but CHI already has a logjam of LHD prospects half of which have more upside than Heinola at this point. What CHI needs is high end center and RHD prospects. Perfetti and two mid to late 1st round picks is barely enough for a 25 year old 40 goal scorer superstar on an affordable contract with RFA status after next season that is knocking on the door of being considered an ELITE player in the NHL.
Would you trade Connor or Dubois for that package? I highly doubt it. And if you would, no offense but WPG should be glad you aren't their GM. haha.</div></div>
The biggest difference here is contracts and Winnipeg not being in a rebuild like Chicago desperately needs. Connor is signed long term which brings his value way up from the Cat as he’s probably going to command somewhere around 9-10 million a year not many teams that would want him can fit him under the cap if the jets were rebuilding a A+B prospect a top 4 defenceman and a 1st overall pick is a good start now maybe you need a different roster player if pionk isn’t needed but the value is totally there. The exact players might not be a good fit but you’re not getting an A+ prospect plus two firsts. If Debrincat isn’t available that’s fine I wouldn’t want to trade him as a Chicago fan either but these teams aren’t real.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 30, 2022 at 12:03 p.m.
Thread:
This would be fun
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Garak</b></div><div>If you want Cat you aren't keep Perfetti and you are probably including both this year and next years 1st round picks. This scenario supposes that WPG will be better next year. So if their pick this year is 14 OA this year, next years will be even later. A mid round 1st and a Mid-late 1st plus a high end prospect like Perfetti is absolutely the minimum cost for Cat. If teams can't pay that, then Cat stays in CHI. End of story.
Edit: Pionk has little value to CHI, and Rashevsky is not interesting in the least bit.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Garak</b></div><div>If you want Cat you aren't keep Perfetti and you are probably including both this year and next years 1st round picks. This scenario supposes that WPG will be better next year. So if their pick this year is 14 OA this year, next years will be even later. A mid round 1st and a Mid-late 1st plus a high end prospect like Perfetti is absolutely the minimum cost for Cat. If teams can't pay that, then Cat stays in CHI. End of story.
Edit: Pionk has little value to CHI, and Rashevsky is not interesting in the least bit.</div></div>
I get where you’re coming from but for example eichel was traded for tuch who at the time was a third liner Krebs who was 17 overall and a first round pick. Sure eichel had his neck problem but Vegas did a lot of research on that before hand and they were confident he would bounce back. Eichel is a Center which is far more valuable than a winger. The trade I have here may not be enough but don’t kid yourself you’re not getting a perfetti and two firsts which could be a mid round and possibly a lottery pick next year. Heinola was a around 24th overall and will be a top 4 nhl defenceman, rashevsky is playing really well for a 21 year old in the KHL pionk is a top 4 defenceman on 7/8 of the teams in the league and a first next year is more than Buffalo got for eichel. And like I said I don’t think this trade will happen the value is there. Chicago simply can’t trade debrincat as they won’t be able to sell seats once Kane and Toews are moved in the recent future, that Seth Jones trades is really one of the most puzzling moves I can remember a team making.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 29, 2022 at 7:22 p.m.
Thread:
This would be fun
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>Debrincat would be nice, but the Jets wouldn't be able to afford him going forward. So giving up Heinola and a 1st and giving up the better, younger defenseman to get Debrincat for a year doesn't make sense.
Scheifele is better and cheaper than Hischier and Hischier's extra term doesn't make up in downgrading from an elite goalieto a marginal backup. Mercer helps, but doesn't close the gap enough for Winnipeg giving up by far the.two best pieces.
Overall the team stays about the same, but has extremely poor goaltending. All in all a downgrade for the Jets.</div></div>
The goaltending is such a crap shoot here I agree with you but I’ve watched a lot of Blackwood in the past few years and he’s a really solid goalie if he’s not dealing with injuries.
Holtby is also coming off a bit of a bounce back year with Dallas I think this tandem would do better than hellebuyck did last year although he’s clearly going to bounce back I’m sure that had a lot to do with him having his first child.
Scheifele will be looking for a big raise once his contract is up so I think Hischier would have more value than scheifele. But hellebuyck makes up the difference plus Mercer and Blackwood would basically be a throw in here.
And your right about the cat he’ll want to get paid. But the jets could probably afford it for a few years after so it would more likely be cat for 3 years ish. These trades are never happening though but I think this team is quite improved over last year personally.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 29, 2022 at 6:45 p.m.
Thread:
This would be fun
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>It doesn't look like much fun for the Jets.</div></div>
I think this team looks much better than what they iced last year. Could roll 4 lines here too.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 29, 2022 at 6:42 p.m.
Thread:
This would be fun
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Wadejos123</b></div><div>Not close for Debrincat alone, won't even mention that you tossed Murphy in there. Cat isn't getting traded most likley, and definetly isn't getting trade into division. But just to humor you, the package starts at Perfetti or Lucius ++</div></div>
I don’t think the values are that far off to be fair I don’t think jersey or Chicago would do these trades but the value is there maybe take Murphy out of the Chicago trade but the values pretty close.
Forum:
Fauteuil - DG
May 26, 2022 at 4:30 p.m.
Thread:
Reset
Jets counter with Suzuki for 2 2nds
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 24, 2022 at 12:44 p.m.
Thread:
upgrades with the same core
You’re not getting hellebyuck for that never mind 3m retained.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 19, 2022 at 5:53 p.m.
Thread:
Movin amp Shakin on Draft Day Eve
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Mr_Canoehead</b></div><div>#FreeEhlers
He deserves to be on the first line.</div></div>
Seriously. If he’s not on the top PP to start the year I’m changing teams.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 19, 2022 at 2:51 p.m.
Thread:
Movin amp Shakin on Draft Day Eve
As a jets fan I’ve also thought about hischier for scheifele but I just don’t see the devils doing that. Possibly if scheifele has a deal in place with the devils to sign long term. But the jets would still probably have to add IMO
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 18, 2022 at 12:55 p.m.
Thread:
Tarasenko is Kawhi
The jets say no to hellebyuck for nylander straight up and very easily never mind adding a pick and retaining that is the worst hellebyuck trade I’ve seen on here.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 18, 2022 at 9:01 a.m.
Thread:
Jets Fans
I’d say it started with Krebs and the first but would need more added also if scheifele is traded there is very little chance the jets move him.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 17, 2022 at 10:01 p.m.
Thread:
Trotz Roster Version 1 If Schiefele Buys In
I really like Nichushkin the other guy I’d target is Rodrigues from Pit.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 17, 2022 at 8:22 p.m.
Thread:
Time For Trotz
Yeah that rangers trade is very bad for the jets
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 11, 2022 at 2:03 p.m.
Thread:
The Ideal Canucks Offseason
Jokes on you the snow melted in winnipeg last week.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 10, 2022 at 6:44 p.m.
Thread:
Nemec or Jiricek
Seattle’s building their team through the draft I don’t think they’re the right target. Maybe philly or New Jersey?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 10, 2022 at 4:22 p.m.
Thread:
Draft day deal
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Cory</b></div><div>Just not sure if he will waive his no trade to Detroit.</div></div>
He may not need to waive he has a 10 team NTC which would most likely include the other 6 Canadian teams and 4 American teams there is a good chance IMO that Detroit isn’t on there.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 10, 2022 at 4:17 p.m.
Thread:
retool
The jets don’t need any more left shot depth forwards
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 9, 2022 at 10:19 p.m.
Thread:
Make the playoffs
I like Blackwood more than most people but other than him and that first there is barely any value here.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 5, 2022 at 10:54 p.m.
Thread:
My Offseason
Connor geekie won’t be there at #14 I think there’s a good chance he goes ahead of savoie, if the jets move up to 4 or 5 One of Jiricek and Nemec are most likely there and they need to jump all over that.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 3, 2022 at 4:36 p.m.
Thread:
0215
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