Forums/Armchair-GM

Point agent worst in world

Created by: BOLTLOVER1
Initial Creation Date: Sep 23, 2019
Published: Sep 23 at 3:15 pm
Team: 2019-20 Tampa Bay Lightning
Team Explanation
EVEN with a $9M QO in year 3 .. virtually guaranteeing him 10M plus AAV LT contract in 2 years .. his agent should be shot .. hope no injuries occur for his sake .. I would be on phone with Hayes and Marner agents ASAP if I were Point .. of course a side deal like San Jose could be in play here particularly if Stamkos gone after this year
Buyouts
  • Matthew Carle: $1,833,333
  • Vincent Lecavalier: $0
Buried
  • Mike Condon: $1,325,000 ($2,400,000)
  • Louis Domingue: $75,000 ($1,150,000)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
TBL
VAN
TBL
TBL
TBL
DET
TBL
OTT
TBL
2021
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
NSH
2022
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$79,773,331$0$1,362,500$1,726,669
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TBL
Johnson, Tyler
$5,000,000
LW, C, RW
NTC
UFA - 5
TBL
Stamkos, Steven
$8,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
TBL
Kucherov, Nikita
$9,500,000
RW
UFA - 8
TBL
Killorn, Alex
$4,450,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 4
TBL
Point, Brayden
$6,750,000
C, RW
RFA - 3
TBL
Palat, Ondrej
$5,300,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 3
TBL
Maroon, Patrick
$900,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
TBL
Paquette, Cédric
$1,650,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
TBL
Gourde, Yanni
$5,166,666
RW, LW, C
NTC
UFA - 6
TBL
Joseph, Mathieu
$728,333
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TBL
Cirelli, Anthony
$728,333
C
RFA - 1
TBL
Martel, Danick
$700,000
LW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TBL
Hedman, Victor
$7,875,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 6
TBL
Shattenkirk, Kevin
$1,750,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 1
TBL
Vasilevskiy, Andrei
$3,500,000
G
UFA - 1
TBL
McDonagh, Ryan
$6,750,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 7
TBL
Rutta, Jan
$1,300,000
RD
UFA - 1
TBL
McElhinney, Curtis
$1,300,000
G
UFA - 2
TBL
Coburn, Braydon
$1,700,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
TBL
Schenn, Luke
$700,000
RD
UFA - 1
TBL
Sergachev, Mikhail
$894,166
LD
RFA - 1
TBL
Witkowski, Luke
$700,000
RD
UFA - 2
TBL
Cernak, Erik
$697,500
RD
RFA - 1

Embed Code

  • To display this team on another website or blog, add this iFrame to the appropriate page
  • Customize the height attribute in the iFrame code below to fit your website appropriately. Minimum recommended: 400px.

Text-Embed

Click to Highlight
Sep 23 at 3:20
#1
Jefe
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 661
Likes: 123
kreider ?
Sep 23 at 3:20
#2
Joined: Jun 2019
Posts: 1,964
Likes: 617
so then, werenski, mcavoy, literally EVERY other RFA other than marner should fire and shoot their agents? if anything dont you think dubas was the idiot in the room? not everyone elses agents?
jimmyjets and palhal liked this.
Sep 23 at 3:23
#3
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 431
Likes: 120
It was a team-friendly deal for sure, but it was still the largest one ever signed in the cap era. I think people are overreacting a little bit.
Sep 23 at 3:23
#4
Go Boltz! & Go Avs!
Joined: Nov 2018
Posts: 171
Likes: 42
Glad you finally arrived... Hahahaaaa, gold tears of joy tears of joy tears of joy



Prepare your GunSsS BOYZ happy
Sep 23 at 3:28
#5
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 15,651
Likes: 3,752
Its the Tampa advantage. It is what it is....Its an advantage and they're allowed to use it.

I do however think anyone who knowingly praises it and says a similar player on another team is being overpaid, is rich.

Not all teams have the same luxuries.
Sep 23 at 3:29
#6
Joined: Jul 2018
Posts: 669
Likes: 271
I don’t get the big deal. It’s a typical bridge contract in a tax free state. Players bet on themselves by signing the bridge deals, this isn’t a new concept.
Sep 23 at 3:38
#7
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 1,699
Likes: 369
Points take home money is 1 mill less than marner
Bcarlo25 liked this.
Sep 23 at 3:39
#8
Bcarlo25
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 10,584
Likes: 2,999
Quoting: hanson493
so then, werenski, mcavoy, literally EVERY other RFA other than marner should fire and shoot their agents? if anything dont you think dubas was the idiot in the room? not everyone elses agents?


There’s a pretty big difference between Brayden Point and Werenski.
BOLTLOVER1 liked this.
Sep 23 at 3:40
#9
Bcarlo25
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 10,584
Likes: 2,999
Taxes matter y’all
Sep 23 at 3:40
#10
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 431
Likes: 120
Quoting: F50marco
Its the Tampa advantage. It is what it is....Its an advantage and they're allowed to use it.

I do however think anyone who knowingly praises it and says a similar player on another team is being overpaid, is rich.

Not all teams have the same luxuries.


Not every team is in as desirable and cheap a location as Tampa and it's understandable that some places need to pay players more to get contracts, but that doesn't mean Matthews and Marner aren't overpaid.
Sep 23 at 3:44
#11
Joined: Jun 2019
Posts: 1,964
Likes: 617
Quoting: Bcarlo25
There’s a pretty big difference between Brayden Point and Werenski.


im just listing the other RFA's but one 90 point year and hes hot stuff? cant wait till all these young forwards regress a little bit and dont put up the same seasons they just had.
Sep 23 at 4:33
#12
Joined: Jun 2018
Posts: 7,008
Likes: 1,424
Points agent is going to have a hard time convincing anyone to work with him after this.
BOLTLOVER1 liked this.
Sep 23 at 4:38
#13
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 15,651
Likes: 3,752
Quoting: I_Know_Nothing_About_Hockey_Or_Any_Sport2
Not every team is in as desirable and cheap a location as Tampa and it's understandable that some places need to pay players more to get contracts, but that doesn't mean Matthews and Marner aren't overpaid.


Well it also really depends on a couple of factors. Does anyone think Marner would have signed the same contract Point did, adjusted for the tangible aspects? I don't think so. So then why would Marner assume he can get what he got but Point wouldn't do the same?

I would say this though, if Marner accepted the exact same contract Point did but adjusted for this intangible combo of weather/tax/team buy-in/quality/etc, how much would it be? Maybe 7.5-8M right? I think as you start tacking on years to that contract, the final number comes eerily close to what he is at now and more than likely is a little lower granted but not drastically lower.

Its hard to put an exact number on that variable but lets assume just for fun its an exact 10% "Tampa" factor. (Players on average want to be paid 10% more than what an equivalent in Tampa would settle for.)

Assuming every year on Point's contract brings up his AAV by 1M give or take so if he is willing to sign 3 years for 6.75, 4 years for 7.75, etc, the new prorated amount for Marner using this logic would 10.73M.... its less than current but not a huge amount less.

Regardless it comes down to that variable factor that no one can agree on. I do feel though that if before any RFA's signed this year, Point was offered 10Mx6 years, no one would have batted an eye in terms of it not being a fair offer for him.
Sep 23 at 4:48
#14
Thread Starter
BOLT LOVER
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 1,519
Likes: 252
9M QO virtually guarantees a 10M plus contact after 2 years.. Tampa will pay more than if they did an 8 by 10M deal now. SO I actually see both sides losing here .. Point for injury and to lesser extent performance risk while Tampa pays more on 2nd contract which could be 10M to 12M AAV ..all because of Gourde and the shrimp NTCs
Sep 23 at 6:11
#15
Joined: Jul 2019
Posts: 66
Likes: 18
Lol, it has nothing to do with, "Gourde and the shrimps," which all signed fair deals at the time of signing. Gourde was maybe slightly overpaid but the contracts were fair on the whole. The NTC's are unf, but that's the price required to have some of these guys sign for less than what they could likely have received elsewhere. Tampa has never given the 8 year deal following a player's ELC, they weren't going to start with Point. If he has the same level of play the.next couple of years, great. Lock him up to a 10 or 10.5x8 deal when Tampa will have the cap flexibility and when the cap will be higher. It's not a loss for both sides in the slightest, for those who understand how Tampa handles their contracts.
Sep 23 at 6:22
#16
Thread Starter
BOLT LOVER
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 1,519
Likes: 252
Welcome Disneylander .. all skies are blue in Tampa and everything is awesome in Lego Land .. until the shrimps and Stamkos crap the bed in playoffs AGAIN .. almost fell off my chair on your comment the shrimps contract were below market .. jeesh overplaying role players with NTCs .. most NTCs in NHL by far .. take your head out of your .. Point contract is first casualty of shrimps .. one of RFAs next year will be next ..
Sep 23 at 6:31
#17
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 906
Likes: 361
Quoting: BOLTLOVER1
Welcome Disneylander .. all skies are blue in Tampa and everything is awesome in Lego Land .. until the shrimps and Stamkos crap the bed in playoffs AGAIN .. almost fell off my chair on your comment the shrimps contract were below market .. jeesh overplaying role players with NTCs .. most NTCs in NHL by far .. take your head out of your .. Point contract is first casualty of shrimps .. one of RFAs next year will be next ..


Why are you always so angry. We got a steal of a deal, you should be happy you dufus
Sep 23 at 6:33
#18
Thread Starter
BOLT LOVER
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 1,519
Likes: 252
Ah Bah Humbug .. you should see me at a Xmas party .. LOL .. but Point hip injury more than I had heard explains alot
 
Reply
To create a post please Login or Register
Question:
Options:
Add Option
Remove Option
Submit Poll