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Dumba and Done

Created by: Knights_of_Ni
Initial Creation Date: Sep 17, 2020
Published: Sep 17 at 4:58
Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Dermott, Travis3$1,750,000
Veronneau, Max3$975,000
Malgin, Denis3$975,000
Bracco, Jeremy3$900,000
Mikheyev, Ilya3$1,250,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Spezza, Jason1$950,000
Trades
TOR
  1. Dumba, Matt
MIN
  1. Marincin, Martin
  2. Kerfoot, Alexander
  3. Engvall, Pierre
  4. 2021 1st round pick (TOR)
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
PIT
TOR
TOR
VGK
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
20$81,500,000$80,977,700$0$0$522,300
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
$3,400,000
LW
UFA - 3
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 4
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,893,000
RW
UFA - 5
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Robertson, Nicholas
$821,667
LW
RFA - 3
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$950,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
TOR
Barabanov, Alexander
$925,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$1,250,000
LW, RW
RFA
TOR
Der-Arguchintsev, Semyon
$766,667
C
RFA - 3
TOR
Malgin, Denis
$975,000
RW, C
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$5,625,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Holl, Justin
$2,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
MIN
Dumba, Matt
$6,000,000
RD
UFA - 3
TOR
Campbell, Jack
$1,650,000
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$1,750,000
LD
RFA
TOR
Lehtonen, Mikko
$925,000
LD
UFA - 1

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Sep 17 at 5:00
#1
get off my lawn...
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I’m sure the wild will be thrilled with your offer...
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Sep 17 at 5:00
#2
y i k e s
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I’d think minny would want more than just a first as that’s all this offer really is. Kerfoot is more of just a decent third liner who’s costing “alot”. Engvall about the same level and Marincin is just there
Sep 17 at 5:00
#3
Bcarlo25
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You forgot to add nylander. Only way it even gets considered.

Update: oh wow you didn’t even add the 15th overall? That’s precious. Cmon bud. Make the trade at least quasi reasonable, and fill out the roster before hitting publish on this junk.
Sep 17 at 5:03
#4
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I can see Minnesota considering Dumba+ for Nylander. Aside from that, I don't see any reasonable Dumba to Toronto trade that could get done.
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Sep 17 at 5:03
#5
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That is a very, very bad offer for Dumba. So Guerin probably takes it, based on how well he did with the Staal trade.
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Sep 17 at 5:03
#6
NHL Trade Inspector
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We do not need Dumba. Basically Tyson Barrie but hits and fights occasionally. We need a defensive Dman
Sep 17 at 5:03
#7
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Quoting: justaBoss
That is a very, very bad offer for Dumba. So Guerin probably takes it, based on how well he did with the Staal trade.


Dumba for Holl would probs be the trade and his excuse. We traded for Holl because hes from Minnesota
Sep 17 at 5:03
#8
Barilko14
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I'm 99% against getting Dumba (as he's not the Dman Leafs need) but I'd be all over that move (Minny not so much).
Sep 17 at 5:04
#9
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Wow that's a really thoughtful offer, you just scooped out the latrine and topped it off with a likely late 1st rounder, and then you want something nice in return.
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Sep 17 at 5:04
#10
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Quoting: justaBoss
That is a very, very bad offer for Dumba. So Guerin probably takes it, based on how well he did with the Staal trade.


Rest of his trades look good so far. The PIT pick could be a lotto pick and Addison looked like our best defenseman at certain points during the play-in scrimmages. Also nabbed Bjugstad for a conditional 7th.
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Sep 17 at 5:08
#11
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Quoting: TanSor
Rest of his trades look good so far. The PIT pick could be a lotto pick and Addison looked like our best defenseman at certain points during the play-in scrimmages. Also nabbed Bjugstad for a conditional 7th.


The more I look at trade the more I understand it. Staal obviously put the 10 teams he thought had the most interest in him on his no trade. Since Guerin knew Staal no longer fit with his lack of speed, his value was only going to drop. So Guerin knowing he had to get something for him he took the best offer.
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Sep 17 at 5:10
#12
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Quoting: TanSor
Rest of his trades look good so far. The PIT pick could be a lotto pick and Addison looked like our best defenseman at certain points during the play-in scrimmages. Also nabbed Bjugstad for a conditional 7th.


Yeah, not saying he has been a bad GM. But that Staal trade was a farce.
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Sep 17 at 5:40
#13
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Quoting: TanSor
Rest of his trades look good so far. The PIT pick could be a lotto pick and Addison looked like our best defenseman at certain points during the play-in scrimmages. Also nabbed Bjugstad for a conditional 7th.


Quoting: justaBoss
Yeah, not saying he has been a bad GM. But that Staal trade was a farce.


I may be in the minority, but I didn’t hate the move from the Wild perspective as most people do. This trade allows the Wild to get younger, faster, and force younger guys into accountability. For too long the organization has leaned way too hard on veterans at the tail end of their primes or on the decline. It’s time for the Greenways, Kunins, and Eriksson Eks to take that next step in their careers.
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Sep 17 at 5:53
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Quoting: CowSaysMoo
I may be in the minority, but I didn’t hate the move from the Wild perspective as most people do. This trade allows the Wild to get younger, faster, and force younger guys into accountability. For too long the organization has leaned way too hard on veterans at the tail end of their primes or on the decline. It’s time for the Greenways, Kunins, and Eriksson Eks to take that next step in their careers.


Î think he could've gotten a lot better package than a 29-year old pending UFA honestly. The guy is dirt cheap and constantly putting 50 point seasons to the table. Contender would've paid a huge price for a guy like that near the deadline.
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Sep 17 at 6:03
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Quoting: justaBoss
Î think he could've gotten a lot better package than a 29-year old pending UFA honestly. The guy is dirt cheap and constantly putting 50 point seasons to the table. Contender would've paid a huge price for a guy like that near the deadline.


Yeah that's the real issue I see with the trade. Johansson intrigues me, but much like Granny for Fiala we should have been able to get more.
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Sep 17 at 6:08
#16
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Ni!
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Quoting: Jamiepo
I’m sure the wild will be thrilled with your offer...


Ni!
Sep 17 at 6:08
#17
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Quoting: TanSor
Yeah that's the real issue I see with the trade. Johansson intrigues me, but much like Granny for Fiala we should have been able to get more.


There’s no way to prove that though. Sure, the Wild could have traded Staal last year to Boston for Kuraly and a 1st, but that was also a year ago and Bill Guerin wasn’t even the GM. It’s more of a culture move than a hockey move in my opinion.
Sep 17 at 6:08
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Ni!
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
You forgot to add nylander. Only way it even gets considered.

Update: oh wow you didn’t even add the 15th overall? That’s precious. Cmon bud. Make the trade at least quasi reasonable, and fill out the roster before hitting publish on this junk.


Ni!
Sep 17 at 6:09
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Ni!
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Quoting: Paul13
Wow that's a really thoughtful offer, you just scooped out the latrine and topped it off with a likely late 1st rounder, and then you want something nice in return.


NI!
Sep 17 at 6:10
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Quoting: CowSaysMoo
There’s no way to prove that though. Sure, the Wild could have traded Staal last year to Boston for Kuraly and a 1st, but that was also a year ago and Bill Guerin wasn’t even the GM. It’s more of a culture move than a hockey move in my opinion.


I guess you can't prove it but at its face value Staal is clearly the better player and he's cheaper. Is he older and on the decline? Sure, but I still think he'll score 50+ points next season, especially when Eichel will draw the tougher defensive match ups for Buffalo.
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Sep 17 at 6:12
#21
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Quoting: TanSor
I guess you can't prove it but at its face value Staal is clearly the better player and he's cheaper. Is he older and on the decline? Sure, but I still think he'll score 50+ points next season, especially when Eichel will draw the tougher defensive match ups for Buffalo.


I think Staal could put up 50 points next to Jeff Skinner.
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Sep 17 at 6:12
#22
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Quoting: Knights_of_Ni
NI!


I should have seen this coming.
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Sep 17 at 7:20
#23
Bcarlo25
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Quoting: Paul13
Wow that's a really thoughtful offer, you just scooped out the latrine and topped it off with a likely late 1st rounder, and then you want something nice in return.


In fairness, the leafs might be bad enough for that pick to turn out pretty good.
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Sep 17 at 7:23
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
In fairness, the leafs might be bad enough for that pick to turn out pretty good.


Always a chance but I don't see it
 
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